Re: Are you tough enough to be the \"King of the Hi
 

OK
Manual Placement
Zero Race Points
Full Tech
No Adv Traits

(add)
Medium Spiral
One-Average world start.
starting resources Low (5000).

PS. You give my level of humor too much credit.

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And how about Alneyan's hated, "Warp points anywhere" (since we won't have Propulsion Expert as an option) and add in a gentleman's agreement for no warp openers or closers?

TAG! You're it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Manual Placement
Zero Race Points
Full Tech
No Adv Traits
Medium Spiral
One-Average world start.
starting resources Low (5000).
No openers or closers (gentleman's agreement)
Warp points anywhere.

OK, looks good to me.

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Should be a fun game. I'll ready an empire later today.

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I was wondering what was keeping our game from getting generated and after re-reading this message, I guess Parabolize is waiting on a decision from me.

If so, then let's go with vanila (standard game-generated map without mod). Probably have to hope for luck to be on my side to win anyway!

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I looked quickly and I'm prone to error so make sure I got everything in the game description.

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ATTN: Slynky. I'm in a quantic state at present, as I barely interact with my environment, so I'm both here and not here. Decoherence will settle me on Saturday at latest.

So, I'll upload my Empire sometime between now and Saturday (when exam week is over). I'm putting my money on Friday myself.

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No problem. We agreed it would be a casual game. I figure 48-hour turn times with ALPU in case one of us doesn't have the time. Besides, exams arre more important. Perhaps you can learn some English for a change. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Thanks for the "assist", Parabolize. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Stop the dissing, okay? What are you, some sort of agent provocateur? An enfant terrible, perhaps? You know all too well my knowledge of English is leagues ahead of your puny SEIV skilz.

A thought just occurred to me (hey, my brain takes at least a week to power up). Instead of limiting the number of hulls per sector, what about restricting the global number of vessels and units? I think that would achieve the same purpose, while being more balanced, much easier to handle, and less likely to result in problems (I can't promise I understand the ship move order fully, but I do know I can check a figure).

We could either agree to set that limit the gentlemen's way, or we can set this setting in stone, through the game's options. While the interface doesn't allow to go below 200 ships/1000 units, modifying the Settings file works, I'm told (that was used in one of Puke's Oddball games).

If you care for that approach, I'll let you set the maximum number of ships and units deployed in space at any given time. If not, we'll stick with your beancounting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif I'll hold off uploading my Empire until your reply; of course, feel free to modify your Empire if it changes anything for you (it might, depending on how you planned to go through wormhole blockades).

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Hmmmm, comes down to (really) as many ships as you like but no more than 10 per sector OR a set limit of ships, say, 50 or 75 and as many of them in a sector as you like. I can see where the first to put together the limit of ships and head out for battle (and win it) will pretty much have won the game in that very battle (assuming a somewhat lopsided victory). It DOES do away with sector limits making things easier, gamewise, I suppose, but sets the stage for a one-battle/game-won situation.

Go ahead and coach PB into how to make the mod (if he needs it) to set a limit of 60 ships and 500 units and lets see what happens... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

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I don't think it is very different from a regular game, actually. You may want to attack as soon as possible anyway, if you think you are likely to have an edge in battle (that's a big if). It *does* set an upper bound on the wait, though... no point in waiting two more turns if you already have your whole bunch of ships.

So, if you don't want to make a run for a quick win (you know I cannot hope to win through tactics), what about a special rule for the X first turns? Say, no more than 10 ships per sector for the first 30 turns, but the upper bound becomes plain 60 ships afterwards. If you want to keep them all in a single sector, sure, go ahead.

Basically, my concern with the present rules is "how am I going to break through a wormhole?". I only see one way of doing that, and that one is too expensive to carry out routinely. I think being able to get more ships than the defenders will make offences a good deal easier, though not trivial by any measure.

Then again, I'm sure we both all plenty of dirty tricks ready, so perhaps we shouldn't go too much discussing. I wouldn't want to reveal that my design will feature weapons and engines. Would spoil your fun, really.

Going below 200/1000 is as easy as editing the Settings.txt file. I'm told there are some glitches with very low values, though. So, unless someone knows for sure, I'd just go with a house rule. Both figures are available easily in the game, if memory serves (I haven't done any SEIV turn for two months or so) so it shouldn't be too difficult to check.

Still waiting for confirmation on that point, and heading back to bed. Last exam (except some nice little chat next week) is tomorrow, so I'll stop acting quantic soon.

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60-ship limit from the beginning. We'll just see who is daring. Besides, it might wind up being two "riot runs" at the same time... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif.

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There is also ways around the limits like mothballing (mothballed ships aren't counted) putting Qs on hold with one turn left and carriers/weapons platforms (only units in space are counted). So the house rules are probably a better way to do it.

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Hadn't even thought of that. In fact, didn't even know it. I thought it didn't count against maintenance.

Otherwise, queue on hold is fine if one wants to tie up a SY indefinitely.

I think we might be able to allow mothballing but we'll see what the opponent thinks tomorrow.

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We need someone to create this game please.

Thanks!

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My intention was to follow the same rules as the game, so "60 ships active in space and 500 units deployed"; I'm reluctant to use the game settings to achieve that since there might be unexpected effects.

I don't have any opinion about mothballing; I think there is one figure for those ships, if memory serves, so it wouldn't be too hard to track. I'd recommend only counting ships/units fully built against the limit. I leave counting units in cargo to your discretion. Not counting them would make units a lot more important, I think; counting them should leave them with a big niche, but a niche nevertheless.

I got back home quite a bit later than expected, so I'm not sure if I'll fully catch up with KOTH today (I just noticed I'd forgotten to create at least one game, so it seems I do have some catching up to do). That aside, I don't expect any further disruption of service all the way to May. Then, life will get interesting again, and I'll step down from KOTH in August at the latest.

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Arrrrggghhhhh! OK, let's forget limits.

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Ready to upload my empire to PBW but now PBW is down (or else it's just me that can't get to it). Guess the game got set up in that magic window of time...hehe.

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My Empire is up. I'm not using my favourite shipset this time, though, and I've picked an absolutely awful Empire name. Ah well, your ships aren't any better, even if you fight for the Mnibari or the Grande Armée.

Just for the sake of redudancy, we drop *all* limits on ships, be they total or per sector. Correct?

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Redundancy is fine. Redundancy is good. (slight pun intended http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif).

No limits on ship numbers or unit numbers. Just tonnage limit.

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"Lowly Slynky" ??? :wags finger: Tsk, tsk!

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Well, CRAP! Looks like my cleanup after Christmas resulted in me throwing my PW away! Grrrrrrrr! I guess I'll have to regen the empire and reload.

CRAP! My apologies.

(that's what I get for generating it 3 weeks ago!)

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You should have given it to pbw when you uploaded your emp. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif
Email me a replacement emp.

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Replacement turn uploaded.

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I sure hope you broke your Empire when you rewrote it. Trust me, Psychic is *useful*. You should pick that one.

My connection broke down yesterday, just to make life more interesting. You are the Lowly Slynky because I cannot reuse the same names as PBW. Sure, I could have used something like "K.O.T.H. Battle for the Hill", but hey.

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KOTH has entered the 21th century. Erh, I mean, 2007. Even the SEIV part is now Web 3.0 compliant. Expect a blog full of shineyness Real Soon ©.

First item of the blog will be "How I used my KOTH admin powers to peek at another game, where Slynky uses a full-tech Empire, thereby enabling me to figure out what sort of Empire he's using in our own full-tech game". The obvious follow-up is, of course, permanent spying on said Slynky.

Second entry will be the usual rant about ISPs not functioning, mail servers going offline just as I need them, and users somehow deleting a couple giga files (SEIV included), while experimenting a bit with files and trees.

Third entry will discuss how great symbolic links are. Perfect to confuse the heck out of a whole system, and recursive, broken links are just awesome. There's just nothing as fun as seeing programs fail for no apparent reason... though maintaining behemoth config files is almost as exciting, especially when the tweaked version starts becoming a freak, almost, but not quite, totally unlike the original program.

Come to think about it, I'll drop the whole blog idea and stick to 2006-style messages. Somehow, I have the nagging feeling I'm not blog-writter extraordinaire material.

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Hmmmm...where's that virus I had set aside for just such ocassions?

NOT blog-capable? Somehow, I'm seeing quite a waste of polysyllabic verbosity if not committed to some variation of written recording. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Last night, I had a dream about my KOTH game with Slynky. On the third turn I jumped into the adjacent system and found Slynky’s home system. At first I was thinking the manual placement was forgotten during the game setup. Then I noticed that every sector in Slynky’s home system had a stack of 30 ships of various sizes. I was having trouble trying to figuring out how he did that in only three turns!

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You know, I think you should stop using your viruses. You've managed to knock down PBW yesterday, and now I cannot load our game in SEIV. Can you play the current turn? It might be that Wine went down crashing on me.

So, you should behave in a more manly manner for once. Let's fight in the most virile of all games: Tetrinet, or maybe Freespace 2. In other words, games I'm somewhat skilled at... there ain't many of those. At least it makes finding opponents trivial, since any bot can give me a rough time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif (Operation Flashpoint reminds me of the proverbial broadside of the barn)

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I'm afraid I get the dreaded, "access violation". when I try to load it.

Might have to ask PB to re-run the turn. If that doesn't work, then you have to redo YOUR turn! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

I'm afraid I'm not very good at hand-eye games. For example, though I've gotten 6 or 8 million in Super Collapse, I panic and choke too much. And my heart beats too fast. Old people should give up those kinds of games... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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I think wine created a bad plr file for you last turn. I remember Sivran saying wine was creating bad plr files for him. Once upon a time se4 worked OK in wine but it does seem to get worse with every release. Cedega also seems to be getting worse but its much better about having multiple versions installed. I have been using Cedega 5.1.2 and its pretty much flawless.

Anyhow I need another plr file for last turn from you. If you don't have the turn I attached it.

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I think it may have been a problem with the mail transmission. MIME isn't so nice, and my mail provider has been pretty bad of late (I guess I'll have to dump them before long). So, I've uploaded my plr file instead: http://wispery.info/alneyanvslynky_0001.plr

If it is indeed recent Wine that's acting up, it shouldn't be too hard to fix up. I still have 0.9.12 on /usr/local, and symlinks would take care of incompatible .wine dirs, if required. If 0.9.12 complains... well, time for some CVS magic. I won't get within ten parsecs of Winex, though.

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Well, ONE thing for sure, I'm not tough enough to be KotH http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Glyn has stomped me again. It would have been faster if the map had been smaller (LOL). Actually, he did it with only 7 warships. It was an interesting game...well, till my ships kept showing how impotent they were...hehe.

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Also, as I had mentioned some time back, the next time I rolled down the hill, I'd be ending my time in SE4.

It's been an enjoyable 4 years and I've met some interesting and smart game players.

Asmala taught me a few lessons and improved my play. And, my first KotH game was with the brutish Primative (a fast game...LOL).

Geo has helped the enjoyment factor X 10 with his style of play and handling the PBW server.

Then, there's Rex, Grand Master B, and Stone...other great players.

And Grandpa Kim who supported me with the 2 years I ran the Ratings site.

And weird? Gryphon. Hope he's doing OK.

And Parabolize, who I think has the potential to beat anyone and any given day. (well, except maybe for Glyn http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)

Finally, there's this guy who works for the CIA spying in France who is, perhaps, the sneakiest and most wicked of players: Alneyan.

And others who I have memories of both in games as well as life, like, for instance, Renegade 13.

I wish all of you at least one victory against Glyn or Alneyan (hehe). I wish all of you happiness in SE5. And, the same goes for life in general.

In closing...I say this here because I don't really remember either in a game...I enjoyed chatting here and there with Atrocities, Fyron, and Narf. And, as to the first two, great mods and shipsets!

I salute all of you and bid you farewell.

Slynky (Chuck)

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Come now, you cannot stop right after two defeats! You just *have* to win something before bowing out. Just ask Lincoln. Perhaps we shouldn't have fired so far, Glyn. You know, self-esteem and all that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Yeah, I definitely have no ethics, honour, or anything of the like. I'm proud of that, even. I mean, who else prevents any reproduction in the whole Empire just so that all planets can be abandoned no matter what? Of course, that's not as mean as sentries, but.

Thanks to you too for the games and fun, and take care. Beware of the tattoos. Don't write sentences ending with a preposition lest you be laughed at. That sort of thing.

In related news, deadline for my own departure is six months. So, if anyone would just love to take care of SEIV KOTH, feel free to sign up. The Hill will be updated once Slynky manages to score a win against me - or tomorrow, whichever comes first.

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It was great playing with both of you even if I won once in a blue moon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I could take over se4 koth. That would make it easier to create a database. But don't expect support for your antiquated w3m. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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You do realiase w3m is the most popular browser, at least in Debian? Oh, that might be because it is installed by default. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I use emacs-w3m though, and don't worry about that. It can cut through most websites just fine, so long as they don't use Flash, Javascript and their ilk. I prefer ELinks myself, but that one doesn't run in Emacs.

Sure, if you can set up a quick SEIV db-powered variant, you should go ahead. This message was typed on Dillo, by the way, my favourite graphical browser... though I might fully switch to Epiphany. I'd like Closure, but that one just doesn't cut it for now.

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KOTH has been updated. The update was delayed because I swapped some people around.

Note that we are down to seven players, on par with our lowest record from last year. Uncle Jean wants YOU to join KOTH!

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Ill join for SEV...

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SE4 is a great game and frankly way better for tournaments then buggy SE5. Anyhow I will add you to the se5 hill.

Welcome to KOTH!

BTW this is the se4 thread. Here is the se5 thread.

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Well the site still functions with text browsers but the readability goes to crap without the table borders. I have yet to find a text browser that does a good job reading style sheets. Anyway, I updated se4 to what I have for se5. The page isn't a database but its easier to edit and it passes validator.w3.org.

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I've now officially thrust the mantle of KOTH Overlord on Parabolize's shoulders. So, you should bring all your complaints and insults to his attention. You can still mail me yours compliments, of course.

So long, and thanks for all the DUC (/duk/).

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KOTH page updated.

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Thanks Alneyan for all your hard work you've put in over the years on updating and game setup for the KOTH game.


Else were in the news, King Glyn's ships have just run over their ninth empire in a row.

Thanks Parabolize for good game. I was a bit worried when I found ran into your colonies so far out so early in the game.

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Will Glyn be the next King of the Hill?

And, more importantly, will we get a new fanfiction out of it?