Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

Indeed. And I was completely convinced I could take him =)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

I'd like to thank everyone involved too. Definitely a learning experience, and worth all the time I put into it. Kind of sad to see it end :)

Anyhow, I enjoyed the team format. Maybe 12 on a side was way too much to coordinate effectively or easily, but perhaps a game with 3-5 on a side (and perhaps more than 2 teams) would be very interesting.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

Thanks for the game, veterans. I certainly learned a lot. I don't feel I came in with much MP experience at all, though I first took over Squirrelloid's well-played position so I didn't have the chance to botch up the opening.

I'd love to play in another team game. Honestly, the thing I dislike most about MP dominions is the diplomacy, because it is an arbitrary timesink and the more you do the better your position, so I'd rather take on the more-defined commitments of a team game instead. Septimius, if you're planning anything like NvV in the future, count me in. I'd be willing to help admin, too, though if you're not thinking the near future, I might like to try to develop a game myself?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

Thanks for the game everyone.

Even though I was knocked in to irrelevence early on I still enjoyed it :)

I like team games but I agree that the teams here were too large. I understand why they were for this format. But smaller teams would normally be my preference.

I agree with a lot of Iainuki's points about diplomacy, although I like ordinary mp too for all that. I wish there were more team games but most require at least some fiddling with the map files (to put the teams together) and as most games are played by the game creator that can cause issues I imagine.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

Final stats for the game:


LlamaServer Scores, NoobsvsVetsIII_Revolution turn 36

Provinces

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Provinces</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>11</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>15</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>28</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>48</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>19</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>1</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>20</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>34</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>46</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>23</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>31</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>21</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>11</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>14</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>45</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Forts

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Forts</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>5</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>6</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>1</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Income

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Income</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>612</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>1790</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>4837</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>4852</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>1644</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>531</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>3368</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>3320</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>5210</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>406</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>4564</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>3022</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>2329</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>946</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>2119</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>4347</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>261</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>22</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Gem Income

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Gem Income</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>14</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>56</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>33</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>29</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>11</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>72</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>43</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>38</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>3</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>53</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>34</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>45</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>9</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>10</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>83</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>5</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Research

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Research</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>2331</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>223</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>5912</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>3972</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>4485</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>2444</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>9718</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>3293</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>2878</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>3703</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>9378</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>1472</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>5990</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>1280</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>2731</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>4084</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>1685</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>2336</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Dominion

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Dominion</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>307</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>500</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>391</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>253</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>390</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>259</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>321</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>209</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>190</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>390</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>359</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>233</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>340</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>76</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>449</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>14</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>159</td> </tr> </tbody></table> Army Size

<table bgcolor="#e9e9e9" border="2" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr> <td>Nation</td> <td>Army Size</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Independents</td> <td>896</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arcoscephale</td> <td>483</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ermor</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pythium</td> <td>1568</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ulm</td> <td>3300</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Marignon</td> <td>1111</td> </tr> <tr> <td>T'ien Ch'i</td> <td>191</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Machaka</td> <td>1627</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Agartha</td> <td>1948</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Abysia</td> <td>1429</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Caelum</td> <td>210</td> </tr> <tr> <td>C'tis</td> <td>1040</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Pangaea</td> <td>834</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vanheim</td> <td>1173</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Jotunheim</td> <td>489</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Bandar Log</td> <td>717</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Shinuyama</td> <td>2426</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Ashdod</td> <td>18</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Eriu</td> <td>84</td></tr></tbody></table>

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

I claim victory.

We should definitely do another noobs and vets game. We could either do:
* equal numbers on each side (heh heh heh)
* a mix of teams of two vets and teams of three noobs (say). This way the number of vets and noobs doesn't have to (remotely) match up.
* teams of mixed noobs and vets.

If we go for the last option, my suggestion would be:
* teams of three.
* each team of three should be balanced re: experience level of the players, ideally would include one veteran, one moderately experienced player and one noob.
* the less experienced players within a team should be *required* to take whichever nations a given team drafts first.

This game is better MP meaning more than two teams - any game with two teams immediately becomes total war, which makes it hard for any of the late-game-research dependent nations to really thrive.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

Here are the rosters from all 3 games in the series. I am grateful to all those who participated, especially those who participated in more than one game.

Special thanks goes to rdonj in the roles of player, co/backup game admin, noob forum admin, and general technical adviser and to Llamabeast, for the use of his excellent server. :clap:

And very special thanks to the entire Dominions 3 Shrapnel community for their input, support, and enthusiasm, without which, nothing would be possible. :clap:

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Noobs
Septimius Severus - [R'lyeh]
Lavaere - [Bogarus]
rdonj - [T'ien Ch'i]
Alpine Joe - [Utgard]
Lumen Placidum - [Ulm]
Darloth - [Jomon]
pyg - [Midgard]
Aristander - [Gath]
Amonchakad [Agartha]
Giant Moth - [Man]

GrudgeBringer (standby/alternate)
PsiSoldier (standby/alternate)
Arcturus42 (standby/alternate)
Jachra (standby/alternate)

Vets
Lingchih - [Pangaea]
Iron Hawk - [Abysia]
Evil Homer - [Mictlan]
Big and Scary - [Ermor]
Quantum_Mechani [Pythium]

Zeldor (standby/alternate)
</td> <td width="50%"> NvV II: Mysteria's Revenge

Noobs
Septimius Severus - [Ermor]
Grudgebringer - [Fomoria]
Ossa - [Sauromatia]
Lavaere - [Lanka]
Illuminated One - [Mictlan]
viccio - [Abysia]
LumenPlacidum - [Agartha]
Darloth - [C'tis]
Stretch - [Vanhiem]
P3D - [T'ien Chi']

Unoptimized (standby/alternate)
mikh4il (standby/alternate)
majuva68 (standby/alternate)
Jachra (standy/alternate)

Vets
Lingchih - [Niefelheim]
TheDemon - [Caelum]
atul - [Atlantis]
Ironhawk - [Helheim]
Quantum_Mechani - [Hinnom]

Zeldor (standby/alternate)
namad (standby/alternate)
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NvV III: Revolution

Noob Team.............................................. .........Vet Team
Septimius Severus [Pangaea] ........................ Lingchih [Ermor]
LumenPlacidum [Machaka].............................. namad [Ashdod]
viccio [Abysia] .................................................. TheDemon [Marignon]
melnorjr [Arcoscephale] ................................... Baalz [Eriu]
Lavaere/Hoplosternum [Bandar Log] ............. atul [Vanheim]
Squirrelloid [Shinuyama] .................................. DrPraetorius [T'ien Ch'i]
Joelz [Ulm]
Hoplosternum [Jotunheim] .............................. Alternates
Skinu/Iainuki [Caelum] ..................................... Hadrian II
Pelthin [Agartha]
TwoBits [Pythium]
Raiel [C'tis]

Alternates
Stretch
LupusFatalis

Don't want the fun to end? Watch for these future games currently under consideration:

Noobs vs. AI's

Noobs vs. Vets: Alumni/Graduates

Noobs vs. Vets vs. Noobs

- Septimius Severus

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

Your first suggestion would be the Noobs vs. Vets: Alumni/Graduates I mentioned.

Your second and third would be the Noobs vs. Vets vs. Noobs, or whatever the name may be. Your right I think people would like multiple small teams headed by a single vet.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

The game being officially over now, the game's threads are now archived. The archive is here.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets III: Revolution, MA, CBM. Game Over. Noobs Triumph!
 

I could be convinced to play NvV:Alumni or multiteam N+V. I'm getting my first taste of lategame now, but I imagine i probably fall into middling experienced category at this point.