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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think it summarize well the situation. It is fun for the developers at least, and a developer happy is a developer which codes better http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I like the arena, and I think it already is essentially optional. I don't think it's the big problem people are making it out to be.

Granted, I would love to see some changes (a qualifying round!), but I think that the way it is currently adds to the game.

-Cherry

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How does it add to the game if no one is using it? It only makes life harder for the AI as every so often they simply pick a commander to lose. Big deal or not, its a needless penalty to the AI that could (probably) be easilly addressed by adding a switch.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What gives you idea that nobody uses it? I use it. Saber Cherry uses it. Any newcomer to Dom II will use it. In fact it adds flavor to the game, and if you don't like that flavor then it�s YOUR right and YOUR opinion. Not EVERYONES. So please stop making statements in my name.

[ October 10, 2003, 17:31: Message edited by: Daynarr ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually I do use it in MP when I have a not-so-important commander who can win with reasonable chances of success - like, say, a DE or Sauromancer (both can win with just summoning undead) - or a Jotun Herse or Black Servant.

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At least in single player I'd consider using it early, and not just to plague the AI -- early on, the experience boost is pretty much a guaranteed Hall of Fame entry. Something like quickness would come in handy.

A dusk elder, 'though, does cost 20 gems... might be a bit much to risk depending on how early it was and how much death gem income one had. Other summoners could work too. And in multiplayer, what if you run into, say, a C'tis Shaman casting Curse? Curse Lasts forever, even through resurrection by priest-recall or immortality.

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Another good bet, and a quite cheap one in fact, is a caelian mage. Lightning bolts combined with phantasmal warriors or mists of deception is a tactic capable of dealing with most competitors.

Re: Noob questions!
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What gives you idea that nobody uses it? I use it. Saber Cherry uses it. Any newcomer to Dom II will use it. In fact it adds flavor to the game, and if you don't like that flavor then it�s YOUR right and YOUR opinion. Not EVERYONES. So please stop making statements in my name.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmm what gave me the idea that no one used it (other than the people who admitted to using it to 'sabotage' the enemy) was the tone of the rest of this thread.

Ok you use it, great, now what's wrong with wanting to make it optional for those of us who feel it penalizes the AI? You will note I never said to remove it completely. All I did was state that if no one (I'm corrected on that one, so call it 10% now?) uses it, what's the point?

No one has adaquately answered the claim that it penalizes the AI yet either. All anyone has said is that its 'not a big deal'. Well that's hardly proof, and the ~25% of the time using a pretender (combat or otherwise) does seem like an issue to me for the AI.

So again, make it optional, that way everyone is happy.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I reckon this. This is a good way to upgrade the Arena!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually this idea is very good. What about adding this to the Arena system? I think everyone will be pleased than. In fact, no players will ignore the Arena anymore, if the Arena will be tweaked like this.
Once again this is a very good way to fix the Arena.
Just my 2 cents.

[ October 10, 2003, 19:45: Message edited by: MStavros ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yup, but Seraphs get less from the Trident, as they can cast Quickness easily.