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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I disowned it long ago. It's no longer mine.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There's been no change of state for All_The_Nations and no word from Esben, but I noticed that despite the fact that I don't own the game (the owner field is blank) I do, in fact, have the power to stop it.

So I did.

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Excellent. Nothing like a little bit of self-help.

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Sorry about the no response; I just didn't get around to it.

I regard all disowned games as fair game; that is why anybody can stop them. I can't remember if the pages provides support for picking up ownership of a game, but if they don't, a mail or message to me will do the trick. Just in case anybody is participating in an unowned game and is getting nervous http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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A revelation !!!

I was wondering how a dinosaur like All_The_Nations got to be restarted, so I went to the "show all games page" to see how hard it would be to restart something.

I clicked a defunct game, and it's status page came up, with the message that the game couldn't be restarted as all slots were full !!

In other words, the mere act of getting a game's status from the "show all games" listing tries to restart the game.

This is clearly what's been happening. Someone browsing the all games page has innocently clicked a game, which has promptly restarted.

Any chance of getting this behaviour changed Esben ?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The games are not restarted just by browsing them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif When I print the forms, I check whether a form element makes sense. If it doesn't, I sometimes print a substitute message --- in this case the message that the game cannot currently be restarted.

The game was restartet on purpose ... I even got a mail about it, I think.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've sent an email to the game creator. We will have to see. Thanks for the effort http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Another week with no sign of life in this game.
Time for the axe?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It might worth taking another peek at the logfile for Semiblitz. Although it's a bit hard to tell (no timeout and the server saying it's at turn 1) there appears to be no activity in this game.

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It appears that it is no longer possible to upload maps. I'm getting Error 500: Internal Server Error straight after the upload.

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Map uploads may be fixed. The permissions on the map upload dir was really strange; I don't know how that happened.

I've killed the Dom_in_Cam!_Again! game. I'm sure I will hear if they were playing http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The Last one will have to wait --- I have to go now! Thanks for the effort :-D

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Mose - can you let me know when it's safe to start Try Something New, which is configured to play on the world map ?

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In less than 24 hours. I'll reply to your email when the time comes...

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Esben has installed world.map, but when I tried to start Try Something New, it nagotted. The game was then stopped. I restarted to find the game still in the open state. Tried again, same result. Any ideas?

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we've experienced exactly the same problem w/ our Throne_of_heavens game. Any time we try to start, it nagots w/ "connection to server is broken".

both games involved upping modified maps, but i'm not sure how that would be a problem? unless they were installed incorrectly, like w/out proper permissions???

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This problem is still happening.
I don't think any new games have been successfully started in the Last couple of days.

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Could be a problem with the ".map" file - for Dom2, it needs to have a line that says the name of the ".tga" file, but in addition, for mosehansen, the ".tga" and the ".map" need to have the same filename.

So - it has to be "modifiedworld.map" and "modifiedworld.tga", and the "modifiedworld.map" has to have been updated to reflect the "modifiedworld.tga" filename.

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that's a good point cainehill. i didn't personally upload, so i have no idea if they are all in accordance, but it certainly seems the first thing that should be checked. storm, zap, you have the originals of the files you uploaded lying around?

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The world map was installed by Esben, so I assume he got it right.

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File names are case sensitive in Linux. So you have to make sure you don't get any FINAKARTAN.TGA maps together with #imagefile finakartan.tga. This would work in Windows but not in Linux.

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Well, no, as it turned out. My server is battered down and I sometimes forget this. The server did not, in fact, have permissions to read the manually installed files. Just goes to show that I have to use the tools I make just like everyone else...

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Yes, of course I followed the instruction about same file names, they are quite clear. And I changed the reference in script file itself accordingly.


Mose, I've just send a PM to you. Could you please take a look and see what's going on with our Thrne game? I've described our troubles and possible reason for it in PM. If you could get it started, it would be great, or if you could tell me what we need to do to make it start. I am using the Version of the map that I've uploaded myself, but you must have 2nd one from Zap as well - we uploaded at at the same time, indep. of each other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Thank you,
Stormbinder

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To Mose: Tried to restart again few more times as you sugested, but still same results as before - nagot "connection is broken", and the game is stoped.

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Now the game wants a map called cradlez. Give a me a bit to investigate this.

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Bingo! I have successfully started Try Something New

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cradlez14.map had an incorrect #imagefile (cradlez.tga). I have fixed that now. So you should be able to restart the game now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Duh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/redface.gif

Excellent, it is working now. Thanks a lot Mose!

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Who is Shmork?

He started a game (Faster Game) some time ago, but didn't join it himself. It has accumulated 8 players, but there's no indication of how many he wants before starting it or, indeed, whether he's even looking in on the game any more at all.

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He has left no personal details to track him down. There is one anonymous player in the game: Ermor. Let me see: An anonymous game starter, who quit recently, likes Ermor, no house rules and would want to be anonymous? This is, of course, pure conjecture.

I'm assigning the game to you. Congrats ;-) I would have joined, but Orania and 24hour is --- a little too much http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Um OK, thanks. Ermor was originally owned by someone called JJ, not Schmork, but yes, they both could have been Norfleet.

I'll start a new thread for the game.

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can i please have game back? i try to start thread on board for game, but board broken on all computers at home and work, can only read post from friend's laptop and forum look very bad and hard to read. i not join yet because is my game, so think is fair i let other pick first.

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Hi,

Anyway, I have a silly QUESTION!!

A friend created a game on mosehansen's server and does not know how to actually _START_ the game. Can someone let me know?

Thank you!!
John

Btw, I'm JJ. I didn't start the "faster game" game. I just joined as Ermor then decided to drop out before it started so I set myself back to Anonymous and someone booted me, which is perfect. I just want to clear up that I am _not_ "Norfl**t". :-)

I think that Schmork is Ben, who I have played w/ in a PBEM game is also not "Norfl**t".

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Not silly at all - this one had me thrown for a while too. You need to update the game parameters so clients are allowed to Start Game. Then connect with Dominions and start it.

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Esben, one of the games on mosehansen (Cradle of Uncivilization) has gone into a stopped status 4 times in 5 days ( I restart it, but then sometimes see staled turns, even though the turn is in when I recheck after restarting).

Any idea what's happening, or if I should just let the game die a painful death? Thanks.

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Make that five times in a stopped status, and a bump of the thread.

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Re: Cradle of Uncivilization
The server just says "Something went wrong" and quits. Some internal state has probably been corrupted, but who knows?

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Thanks Esben - guess there's an open slot on your server then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Esben one of the games at your server (Faerun folly) seems to have a problem.
When I connect it crashes my system, other players reported the same.
Could you please see what is going on?

Thanks

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Mose is unlikely to to be able to diagnose this, as it's probably a client-side problem unless everyone is getting it.

How many people are affected (I'm not, BTW)? Does it happen with every connection, or just intermittently?

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Faerun Folly

I've just restarted the game, because it had started to hang on the "Waiting for game info" box. Restarting seems to have cleared the problem, but Ermor (Catquiet) and Pangaea (djtool) will have to upload their orders again (restarting clears any orders received for the current turn).

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One of my games, low magic game 2, peopel are having trouble connecting, and are missing turns. I've been eliminated from this game, and its now up to turn 97, I'm goign to try restarting it, anything else to try?

odd_enuf

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stopping and restarting a game usually fixes those connection problems, IME.

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Just restart it, or try connection mulitple times. It's related to the overloaded VM and subtle bug in the game. Johan has tried to find the error, but unsuccesfull --- we couldn't reproduce it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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I had a game (Pandemonium) get hosed when one player quit without going anonymous. So, I've recreated the game (Pandemonium2) and it looks like we're good to go.

For Pandemonium, I've stopped the game and disowned it. Is this the proper action for releasing the slot on the server? Also (and this is probably not important) there is a message on the Pandemonium saying more than 23 games are running and therefore this game has not been started. Any reason to think that Pandemonium2 will not be allowed to start?

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Hopefully you're setting a master password this time, as that (player quitting without going AI) is one of the main things it's good for.

Once you created Pandemonium2, there was 23 game in open or running status, so the original one couldn't be started as it would go over 23. In other words - P2 should be startable.

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Actually, I did that the first time around, but I didn't see any way to use that. How do I force a player off?


Good news - thanks for the reply.

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The master password allows you to go in as the player who quit, which allows you to set it to AI. If it's real early in the game, it's even better to get someone who isn't in the game to do so, because otherwise you wind up knowing where the other nation started/is.

Edit: For that matter, since Agrajag foolishly posted his passwords for any and all to see, you could've used that to go in and set to AI even if you didn't have a master password.

In case Agrajag is reading : Posting the passwords for the public was incredibly foolish, because then _any_ one could go in, change orders, send gems to themselves, or simply spy on what orders had been given.

In effect, it poisoned the nation, because any replacement player can't change the password, and thus has no control over whether or not someone else wants to cheat or simply amuse themselves by screwing with it.

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Actually, it's not too late - you could scratch the Pandemonium2 game, restart the original, and use the passwords to set Agrajag to AI. Might be preferable to starting all over, waiting for pretenders to be uploaded, etc.

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Thanks for the info Cainehill, this is good stuff to know.



Right - I guess I just thought since we had only done the first turn, I'd rather have no AI players at all. Recreating the game wasn't such a big hassle, in this case.

Prior to starting the game I have several times wished to kick a player off who has uploaded, without signing on in the thread (this seems to happen a lot). If there's a player who has signed on in the thread to the same position, I wouldn't hesitate to kick out the player that uploaded without signing in on the thread.

Can I use the master password to close the position on the game side, rather than turn it to AI? Or is there any other way to force a player off or into anonymous status? IIRC, I think I've tried using the mosehansen game options page to close the position, but that didn't seem to work.

EDIT:
One thing I think I'll do in all future games is use the comment field to make it clear that players need to go to the forum signup thread before uploading.

To this end, it would be helpful to have an additional field in the game view/manage page for the signup thread URL.

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no, its true that it is a flaw in the mosehansen games setup that the owning player just can't out and out kick someone who doesn't belong. The work around of having the person go anonymous obviously can only succeed if the person in question checks the thread and responds.

setting him to AI is a poor alternative, but does work, since AI's aren't very succesful against players, you can still allow another race to be chosen beyond what the game's limit was originally determined as.

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Just send me a message, and I can set the plauyer in question to Anonymous. If it happens often, I'll probably make a way to kick individual players http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif But for now, I just want to do as little as possible on the server pages.