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yup got in.

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Woah, suddenly I got a nagot gik fel, "Dominions server is too old." Is there a new patch out?

Who loaded up their turn just now, using the new patch? You will need to re-load your turn using the old patch. We can patch after the turn hosts.

Edit: And there's at least one big change in it! "Battle enchantments expired when caster retreats from battleground." Mists of Deception is now allowed!

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Heh. I may have broken Xietor's server. I have upgraded to 3.20 for my Llamaserver games. The game let me upload my turn, then right after that it crashed with the error message "The connection to the server has been broken." and now I can't connect.

We'll probably all need to update our Dom3 to v3.20, then end turn again (even if you've completed your orders, just go back to the turn and end it again), then upload it to Xietor's server.

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Okay, I upgraded the server to 3.20, and everything seems to work fine. Yeah, it's probably best for everyone to upgrade and then connect, check your turn, and then hit 'end turn'.

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Er. Careless posting after reading about the Kingmaker game. "Xietor", heh. Sorry, CUnknown. I'd edit it out if I could. ; )

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can't connect. has there been a new turn?

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Yes, there is a new turn. However, I have a new IP address:

97 dot 81 dot 110 dot 40

So, if you use that IP address, everyone should be able to connect again. Let me know if you can't!

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Did it host while it was down? I think I staled, quite a shame since I had almost finished my turn and was going to upload it.

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It definitely hosted, so I assume that means it was up at least until that time, but I'm not sure. I apoligize if it hosted and my internet was down. I should have turned off the timer before leaving for the weekend.

Edit: I'm never hosting again, lol. :)

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Ooops, sorry, got confused, turns out I didn't actually stale a turn. :)

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Turn up!

Sharing the wealth!
 

R'lyeh is now buying any number of Astral and Nature Gems, at 20 gold each! We are also buying Blood Slaves at 10 gold each! (Prices are negotiable, depending on quantities involved.)

PM me if interested.

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All slave traders will be hunted down by the virtuous nations and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

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Don't worry O virtuous one I don't trade blood slaves.
I merely sacrifice them :D

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i think the victory conditions have helped create a rather stagnant political front. Good has managed to push back aby, but of course can not really go much forward, w/out being crushed for their impertinance. Meanwhile, the neutrals just sit and watch.

I would propose making this a 5 way contest. good vs evil (ie. baalz) vs each of the neutrals. this wouldn't be at all fair if Good were the pre-eminent power, but it clearly is nowhere near so being. This should also give Baalz some hope, as it is no longer just good vs. evil, but now a more fluid diplomatic situation.

I should say that technically this is a harder victory condition for Good, as Good would have to defeat everyone, not just Evil. However, in reality, I think it would take us out of a potential impasse.

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I'm currently still evacuated due to Ike and am unable to connect to network games on my borrowed internet (firewall issues probably). I've already been here longer than I expected when I left and I'm not sure exactly when I'm going to be home, or what the electricity/internet situation will be there (they're saying some people will be without power for 3-4 weeks!). Hopefully I'll be home and able to connect tomorrow, but I think I might have staled a turn already. Sorry!

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CU added another 72 hrs, so there's 53 hrs left - i'm sure he can extend it again if needed.

Enjoy the rain ;p

personally, I like the very slow pace of this game :)

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Well, honestly I'm in a bit of an absurd position. I'm *completely* outmatched by the angelic hosts dominating my airspace, and dwarfed by the combined income of team good - at this point I'm essentially defeated but unable to be put out of my misery or quit. I have to say I've been rather dreading taking this turn for a bit now. My last hope was to bring those angels down with life for a lifes, but since I'm unable to cast that with less than three blood mages (who are cap only), and blood vengeance + luck + high hps means I need to cast it several times there's no way I can hope to stop the dozen plus kitted angels who's numbers of course grow every turn. :(

If y'all were interested in continuing this game I'd say Archaeolept's suggest is good, just please for the love of god somebody put me out of my misery....

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you took down two of them in exchange for 3 demonbred. That was a good hit.

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Well, actually I took down 2 of them in exchange for 7 demonbred (plus a bunch of troops and summons) if you count both fights, and those demonbred are cap only while it's likely you're summoning more than one angel per turn at this point. I considered trying to get some blood SCs to fight back, but 1) somebody's already nabbed most/all the unique blood summons and 2) your angels are flambeaux wielding demon slayers. :/ There's no way that I can possibly regain the momentum at this point - even if the nuetrals decided to obliterate good and ignore me that just leaves me in further limbo indefinitely with no hope of winning.

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oh sorry - i hadn't seen all the battles yet.

I was happy w/ how that little battle communion worked - not that i expect it to live a long life :)

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At this point, I honestly wouldn't mind ending this game, or turning it into a "Neutrals-only" slugfest or something. We are going to have to work through some of the details if we're going to play a game of this type again. Is there anyone who feels strongly that they want to continue playing?

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Well I certainly hope to have a grand slaughtering before the end.
About the other conditions we already discussed it at length with Baalz I recall and what we had suggested was fine for a better balanced game of this type IMO. that was around page 37 of this thread.

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well, Baalz and I are having some epic fights... but the game itself is dead as the giant neutrals just sit and hoard. :)

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That was my point when I talked about too much neutrality. The victory conditions as they were set are the prime reason for this IMO as neutrals had a strong interest in leaving the other two factions slaughter each other.

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Well, I know that that was kind of what I was doing. Waiting to see who slaughters who of the good and evil. I would be happy to let this game go, in all honesty, but I have two personal reasons for wanting to do so: I realized literally a few weeks after I started this game that I hate Dom3 endgame, and I was staring down an extended one here. And I also have finally gotten my fill of Dom3, and need a break; after over a year and a half of playing, that is a personal record for me, out of an entire lifetime, with *any* game! I realize however that those opinions aren't shared by the majority of players, and I don't want to derail the thread. Just explaining why I'm voting 'end it'.

As to a different setup, I think the initial rules were set up quite well. There were far too many players though. If Good can make it to the end-game as a coalition, then they pretty much have it won. Even in this game, Good advertised making some critically bad decisions both in Pretender design and during the early game; if that wasn't just don't-kill-us propaganda (which I half-suspect it was), then even with all those critical errors, they are still a major power even now! Without those critical errors, we would probably now be checking if anyone wants to continue in the face of Team Good's clear victory. ; )

I think a game like this is best set up with 10 players: 5 Evil, 2 Neutral, 3 Good. Spread the Team Good out a bit, but make sure there is no more than one other player between any two of them on the map. That way they can come to each other's aid if necessary, their early expansion isn't crippled by slamming up against other Good, and they can team up on other nations if they like. And with only three in Team Good, it no longer becomes so *absolutely critical* that Evil destroy them early game, so Evil need not go after them exclusively, and Neutral may not be able to turtle up in such safety.

I did enjoy this game though, don't get me wrong. Learned a lot, had some fun, and there are a few things I would like to mention I was doing if we do officially decide to end it.

--IndyPendant.

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I'd vote to end this game in favor of anyone who wants to claim victory.

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well, I've submitted my turn. If people are tired of the game and want to end it, that's fine with me. I was only supposed to be a short-term sub ;p

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Well I'd be really sad to end this game like this after so many turns.

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well, you neutrals should get a war going then :)

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QM, what is your opinion? The 3 Neutral votes are the ones who really matter. I say we let them decide it. I'll keep playing if people want, but I'm happy to end it as well.

Pangea says:"Keep going."
Ryleh says: "Let's end it."
Shinuyama, what is your opinion? You have the deciding vote among the Neutrals it looks like.

If we end it, the Neutrals would win as a group, I think. It's hard to pick which Neutral has a bigger edge at this point, without looking at your positions.

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How close are we goods to killing Abysia (TNN's scouts have all been wiped out over the years)? That's all we have left right? Why don't we just kamikazee him and see if we can rid the world of evil once and for all. If the neutrals want to stand by and turtle that's fine with me. :) I just want to see some action in this game, or retire.

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we're a long long way from conquering abysia. if the neutrals weren't to interfere, over 20 turns i would think... he's still more powerful than I am, for sure, and it would take a long time to reduce his castles.

Victory conditions are not met, so there are no winners. I think the game does show that there are issues with the victory conditions as exist.

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I suppose my vote is to continue, but I'll qualify that. I think you have a good idea of letting somebody impartial look at the positions and see if it looks like there is any overwhelming edge.

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Huh, good to see that Pythium survived :)

Too bad my plan for good team really didn't get approved.

CUnknown:

Nah, I think there were many many flaws in rules and game design. Idea was good, but some mistakes were made, including:
- water nation
- newbies allowed
- bad map
- bad win conditions
- no encouragement to attack neutrals or for neutrals to get fighting [until the end, where they have to stop good or evil from winning]
- hosting was not great, next one should be on llamaserver

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So, opinions people? Anyone have objections to having a neutral observer look at the turns?

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No problem but any observer is in for a heck of a search through all provinces, leaders, equipment and all...ouch!
Who do you hate so much? :D

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in terms of power it goes like this: shinu, r'lyeh, pan, aby, ulm or pyth, eriu, arcos.

Shinu has done the best of the neutrals, Aby of Evil, Ulm of Good (as pyth's power is in large part due to Ulm).

They're experimental victory conditions in an experimental game. Don't obsess. Either play it out, or say it was fun and end it - and critique the format in order to better prepare any eventual successor.

If R'lyeh and Pan join up, they might have a chance against Shinuyama; esp. if they can get some outside support.

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I vote for Shin, or I'll keep playing and TNN will launch all remaining forces for our final ride against the BURNINATOR. Pet Shop Boys will be heard in the magma pits of Abyssia...

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Ok then QM had the lead for most of the game anyway. If Indy doesnt want to continue and he would be needed just to have a chance...well, hands down :)

I must also bow to Baalz who single handedly hold off the hoards from heavens for so long. That's a lesson in resilience. I learnt a lot just by watching the fights :rolleyes:

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hey, i'm still enjoying it... i thought r'lyeh wanted to continue? if not,...

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didnt you offer a choice to play it out or end it? that's why i voted. I am fine either way. I just need more action - the BURNINATOR has been quiet in TNN for a long time and now that Ermor is gone, well, the Sidhe have nobody to play with.

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Well if no one can agree on something I guess the default is just dropping the whole game. If that's where it's going though I'd prefer to get at least some closure by having somone look at it.

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I think a winner should be declared or we play on. I'd hate just to drop it with out even electing someone. There doesn't seem to be much interest in playing on but, again, I am down with whatever the majority is up for.

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Maybe we can get Foodstamp to look at everyone and elect a winner? Or declare a tie, at least? I will ask him.

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I can take a look at the game for you guys and determine if there is an obvious winner. Just let me know and I will review each position tomorrow afternoon.

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If there is no obvious winner, we should vote on whether to continue playing or not, majority decides. If Foodstamp doesn't declare a winner, and if we decide not to continue, the game will be called a draw.

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But what is it to win, anyways, my friends?

Is not the greatest win living on in the memory of your kith and kin, and the peoples of a later age? And who better lives on in memory than those heroes whose great deeds excite the young and comfort the old? Those magnificent heroes whose thrilling battles against incomparable odds races the heart and causes the hands to grip the page in the telling of them? Glorious champions fighting for the noblest cause, and for the very personification of beauty and wisdom.

who wishes to read about old diko-diko the bakemono shaman, and his codification of the 17 laws of propriety, along w/ the 27 fully ordained precepts and 13 supernumenary clauses? Also noted for his ability to preserve his writings in a layer of his continuously dripping mucous. Or bt'sht the illithid whose ability to control undersea vermin and have them perform pre-scripted pantomines won him the Order of TlshPPbob 5 years running?

Of course you don't! You want to thrill to Lugal'dimmerankia's burning shield against the endless waves of the really rather flammable dead. Or Asmodel's legendarily obese Angelic form standing fast against the burning lava legions, even when blinded by his own fury. Or Igalima's Hulk-like brawn, braving even the horrors from beyond. These are the stories to startle the mind and entrance the heart! And what better foes in the retelling than the hordes of the dead, or the crafty burninating ones, whose every delight is another's pain? And what better friend than the doughty mystic smiths of Ulm, or the resolute astrologers, or the daring raiders of Eriu?

Of course, religious orthodoxies may attempt to ban these stories, but every shoolchild, after a day of rote repetition, will be reading these adventures under the covers anyways. I ask you, Mr. Pretenders, to tear down this wall of Dominion! Let your people go! Let them enjoy these tales of wonder!

As such, Pythium humbly accepts the likely universal acclamation.

thank you all.

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Not sure all who there is to let you know... I think we are unlikely to get everyone checking in on the thread at this point.

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LOL :)