Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Hey Vanheim - how's your pretender feeling?

:evil:

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Okay, problem solved, was thankfully less terrible than it could have been. I'm playing my turn now.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

So, Ermor has now joined the Elite "Killed a Jarl" club. I hope it was worth the cost to you, Ermor. And, that was one of my favorite Jarls... so there will be vengeance for him.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Didn't yet see my turn but rumour has it that hydras are somewhat double edged swords.

:-P

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Yes it is confirmed - it was a classic Noobs vs. Vets moment. Sauro lost 70+ andro archers to his own foolishness in our little trap. Perhaps he will think twice next time before he uses poison cloud units

:poison: Danger! Call poison control immediately if you inhale Hydra vapors!! :poison:

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

It's kind of sad that our only info about Sauro comes from a vet.

We have three players who are completely silent. Maybe they don't have the time in that case would you mind slowing down the game a bit?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Why not send them some in-game messages? It'll be delayed, but at least you'll get something out of them.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I did that asking for a PM at least, and got no response. And I think Septimus did so some time ago.
Well, maybe I get one in game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Well, if all you ask for is hey talk to me, I'm not sure what you'll get in reponse. If people aren't on your boards by now I doubt they'd get on board at this point. But if you send a PM and sum up your currrent strategy and how they fit in and ask "how soon can you get an army to X" or "could you focus on Caelum because he's really annoying and we'll defend your northern front" or something like that, you could keep them updated that way.

And if all else fails just fill their land with scouts like we do :D

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

That is a bit silly, yeah. If you were curious, Sauro in a nutshell expanded really quickly but then switched to a defensive posture. Basically only been attacking me. First with hydras, which were turned back in a rather shameful fashion which probably made him overcautious. So then he built this mega Andro / Hydra army which he threw at me. On the face of it, it wasnt a terrible idea, however the Sauro player was clearly not accquainted with the incredible danger of deploying poison cloud units with non-PR units. So that offensive is likely hamstrung now too.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

That's more or less what I did. Even the part about please bash Caelum a bit. :D

And as you are so nice already, would it be to much to tell us a bit about your armies in Abysia? :angel

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

He's dead, Jim.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Got into accident. Broke a bone in hand. Could we please postpone hosting for a day or two?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Hey, sorry to hear that Atul. Hope you are OK.

Septimius, can we delay a bit? It's about time to go 48 hour anyway, is it not?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I also broke a bone in my hand (a couple weeks ago), but it's a small one (5th metacarpal). Feel better soon Atul.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Hmm, let's see the schedule calls for 44 about now, no prob Atul, I'll monitor the turn submission and extend as needed.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Thanks Sept.

And ya, 5th metacarpal here too. But they're having some problems setting it I think.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Hey everyone.

I'm moving starting today, tomorrow and friday. Hopefully I won't miss a turn, but if it gets close, an extension on the timer would be nice. Thanks!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Both atul and TheDemon have gotten their turns in so I'll assume no futher extensions are needed unless I hear from someone else.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Where is that cowardly Mysterio?

Hmmm...

Noobs vs. Vets III: The Death of Mysterio.

Noobs vs. Vets III: Die, Mysterio, Die!

Noobs vs. Vets III: Genocide.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Yeah, my hand didn't require surgery so I was able to submit my turn in time. TheDemon's request is about the next turn, I believe.

But, Sept, you're the only one not to submit!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Hah! Well met indeed C'tis. You have proven yourself a worthy adversary. But we shall meet again.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I must say, this raiding lark is an absolute jaunt when the sparrow is on the other foot.

No, I'm not sure why I used sparrow either.

Also, I looted the body.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I heard that your victory was only due to the movement bug darloth, no?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Yes, that was supposed to be three Jarls hitting your cap darloth, not one. But due to the movement bug, two Jarls just sat there and picked their noses.

Nice turn anyway though, to you and all the noobs. You have kicked Big N in the crotch, and bloodied his nose when he bent over. But, you guys know you are only making me mad, right?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

What's the movement bug?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

around 0.1-1.0% of the time a movement order simply doesn't occur generally if the same movement issue is not changed the order will NEVER occur (but giving a different order of some sort clears the bug)


the bug only ever happened to me once ever in a multiplayer game so i don't know as much about it as others

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Was it? Well, I'll keep my eye on the turn submission for the current turn as well.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

PS: I don't want to scare anyone off from the game with the movement bug. It does happen, very, very rarely. It just happened to me at a bad time.

That said, everyone should be aware that it occasionally happens that your units do not move as ordered. Probably less than 1% of the time, as Namad said.

You could put this into game terms as, the runner with the orders got killed by a snake, or something, so the orders never got to the commanders.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Interesting... I thought I was seeing that happen in my first MP game, but it was on an oversized map for the number of people and we were slinging so many armies around I always figured I must have inadvertently cancelled the move. Thanks for the explanation.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Guys, I need a 24hr extension. I had planned to do my turn last night but I had to help a friend move and it ran way too long and I was totally wiped when I finally got home. And now I have to head to work and then go help him pack out again (he was supposed to be out today, the 1st, but he still isnt!@).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

That's sad to hear. I would have liked to see the actual outcome of that, as with just the one jarl, my PD and elephants killed him before my attempt at thugs even got close. For that reason, I wouldn't say the movement bug is the ONLY reason I won... it almost certainly meant I won without losing anything really expensive, true.

You'll probably have better luck next time.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Has anyone discussed a Pro-Am for NvV3? 1 Vet + 1 noob per team, if we have disparate numbers of players signing up then we can do some teams with 3 noobs instead. If team A's 1st player picked first, its second player would pick last. We'd have to figure out where the teams of 3 would pick but you get the idea.

Working with skilled players in the other game I'm in has taught me a lot. Plus, no forum needed, just private messaging on this forum.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

the general premise for preponderance1 was that each time would have a skilled and a less skilled player... although it ended up being the case that some teams had two skilled players because there weren't enough people signing up? i'm not totally sure... i definitely remember something zeldor posted in the beginnings of the thread about this...


i'm not sure if zeldor is planning to try and get something like this going for preponderance2 but it would be a bit silly to start starting two games with the same premise at the same time

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I looked at the beginning of that thread and saw

Maybe that changed later on, though. I guess with 2 of these NvV games done that many of the new players might be getting above the 5 MP games or less mark in any case.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I think with the three Jarls, it would have been a tossup. You had a good patrolling force in there, but three Jarls could have wiped out those pesky Behemoths earlier. Your nationals can't really hurt multiple Jarls much, and the Banes probably would not have lasted long either. They don't have enough HP. The Jarls do an average of 50 hp on a hit. Those banes would die in one hit.

Anyway, I'm sure we'll get to try it all again before too long.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

No prob. I'm extending the turn another 24 hours for Caelum and Helheim.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Ahh, I may have forgotten to mention that I am not going on vacation this week. I had to cancel. I will be out of town sometime this month, but should be able to do my turns myself.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

The idea has been brought up variously at times, though I've always been willing to consider it, I generally have resisted it as other games usually incorporate that idea in some fashion. I'd like to keep the game concept as pure as possible at least through NvV 3. Some argue you can learn more by playing with vets, I had argued that you can learn best by playing against them. It is debatable. There is also the thrill of facing the unknown. The concept is not for everyone, some green noobs are scared stiff of going up against legends of the game, while some vets baulk at the idea of facing 2:1 or even 3:1 odds. I do admire the bravery of all who have participated and continue to do so.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Teaming with the vets is probably more educational. Teaming against the vets is probably more fun (for both sides).

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

None of the vets have seen Demon yet, so I guess his indefinite-delay for home moving this weekend would have covered me anyway. But just for forms sake I wanted to say thanks for the extension anyway.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

If it will keep thedemon from staling (and the game moving), another option is you could send me his turn to sub.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

i'll submit a turn or two if need be... you guys can tell me what to do on IRC and/or use someone else.... or give him an extra day before you bother

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

If Namad wishes to sub without thedemons approval, and the other vets are OK with it, well no problem, as I am loathe to do another long delay without a specific request. If this is the case I'll need your e-mail PM'd to me ASAP and the amount of time you'll need.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

Wouldn't that issue with your being in the game already prevent you subbing?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

No, I have two keys, and in any case I don't think it effects PBEM.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

I'll need someones e-mail PM'ed to me along with the how long you'll need ASAP.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

While you might learn some things a bit faster by teaming with the vets, I maintain there are some things you just can't learn like that. Things that your vet partner simply won't tell you. And I agree with you, it is alot more fun.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

One of us was going to sub for another noob in the first game, and it didn't work out. One of the nations ended up staling anyway. So if you do it you will have to use the other key or one of the two turns will stale.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Game running.
 

QM must have used the other key as the turn came in anyway.

Of course, if Thedemon, will be out for any length of time, Namad should called in to take over.

Game report: Noobs have had some victories of late, could the tide be turning against the vets? Stay tuned.