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Why dont we just switch over? It was expected, several people have asked for it, no one has objected. No reason not to, really.

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is there any reason we're not switching over? like... I've signed up for games based on the premise that by now forge would be at 48h....

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It's already been switched to 48 hours:

http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAc...n=showadminlog

In other news:

The Most Holy Council of Marignon objects strenuously to the summary execution of our innocent diplomat, by the evil Abysian counter-intelligence agency. This means war!

-- Ordo Mors Serpens

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i was really drunk when i posted and i had forgotten which day it currently was

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+12 hrs

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When Pangean priests *finally* succeed to preach the evil heresy of Vanheim to death, Ashod sees it fit to backstabb me (don't you know free-spawn have feelings too, it hurts my soul to see maenads and manikin get killed in front of powerhungry giants backed by massed H1 priests). I should have destroyed Ashdod when I was next to their capital, but I am such a softie and pulled back as a token of friendship :( Ho hum, Pangaea is at war, again (or should I say: still).

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Sorry Jarkko. I got bored. It's not like you can't wipe me off the map anytime you want, though.

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You could have attacked Agartha for example, would have been a *gigantic* match between you two ;) Stone giants vs flesh giants, what could possibly be more interesting?!

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16hr delay requested by calahan

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Thanks for the short delay Arch :up:

And apologies to everyone for needing it. I had a few hours free during my works trip on Monday to indulge my Dominions habit, so managed to get the last turn done during that time. But had no chance between now and then to get the current turn done.

But back now and ready to pilot the MA Man ship into uncharted waters for MA Man. Past turn 40 :)

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FYI - I'll be on vacation in Hawaii this coming friday until the 18th. I've enlisted Pasha to sub for me while I'm gone. One assumes it will be Miasma Gone Wild in my absence. Prepare yourselves.

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Hi Folks,

I played turn 45 as a sub for Ryleh to help QM. Hopefully I didn't mess up any agreements but there wasn't much time to find folks. If I did mess up Atul's agreements, well you can blame my noobness.

Cheers,
Maerlande

edit: I just talked to Atul and he would have submitted his turn on time if I hadn't done it. We agreed that I would take over Ryleh permanently now unless there are any objections. Can my allies or NAP partners let me know the status? I'm not quite sure who are Ryleh's friends.

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The very evil and very false god of Ashdod is dead! The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and you can't get much bigger than an Ashdod giant.

I'll be damned if I let Ashdod backstabb fair Pangaea a third time in the same game... Yes, this means Pangaea is going to pacify the giants for good this time.

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Heh. There's not many giants left to pacify :)

And yes, please, put me out of my misery.

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Folks,

Can someone help me with a technical question on this game? Somewhere in the early parts of the thread I read that while the magic site frequency is set to zero there is still the base terrain chance to find sites. Is my understanding correct?

Cheers,
Maer

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Yes, mostly. Although frequency is set to 0, sites are not nonexistent, just extremely rare.

It may be worth searching, a few of them will turn up. In fact, looking at the graph, at least one nation has had magic sites change by a multiple of under 5, which I think means someone has definitely found a magic site or two.

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Thanks Agema. I've been browsing this thread and a bunch of others to try to understand. I'm still kind of confused but I'm getting the idea.

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The terrain modifier doesn't account for the full chance of a site. I ran a test game with 0 sites and still found some in plains and farmlands. (It was on Glory of the Gods, in case there might have been some sort of "high magic" tags lurking around under the terrain type. I didn't check that thoroughly, although the sites weren't in any conspicuous locations like standing stone icons or the ends of peninsulas or the like, they just seemed randomly spread.)

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I found a site :) It's awesome, and provides Man with an extra pearl every turn. Which is just what I need now that the church have come knocking on my door looking for their monthly tithe.

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Can I request a delay until 23.00 Sunday 11th please?

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Uhhh, I just got another turn for Forge even tho I'm away. Can admins please set ctis over to pasha pls?

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@ All

Game delayed by 6 hours.

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Woohoo! About to be back to 4 games. Good luck Pan. I am of course defending. Should not make much difference, though.

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The Ashdod giants should have picked their fight a bit more smarter. Challenging a horde of manikin with a few giants is *not* the way to go (you need those slingers and archers, and lots of them, plus anything doing lots of AoE damage; the manikin have zero protection, so killing hordes of them is no problem, as long as you don't get hit yourself, because the manikin tend to stun whoever they get in contact with). Pangaea is all about happines, flowers and humming birds, but being backstabbed twice by same nations is slightly annoying... Especially as Ashdod killed the prophet of Matonen with dastardly and evil assasination spells, that was really the final drop, grrrrr.


In other news, could R'lyeh please ask the Starpawns to spawn somewhere else than in Pangaean lands? It gets boring to kill the spawning Starspawns every turn, you know. Give them a map or something before sending them through the void gate, and remind them that land =/= water, target water when jumping out of the void, not land!

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Did it ever occur to you Jarkko, that I wanted to kill the nation off?

I had nothing. No money, little land, no prospect for expansion. I took the nation over not knowing how pitiful of a position it was in. But, I did take it over, and I finish whatever I do. So... the quickest solution was to poke you with a stick so you would come kill me. Mission accomplished.

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Ryleh simply wants to say that insane starspawn are insane. We have no control over their actions. However, it did provide an interesting scouting report.

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Hey no worries, I was just teasing you :) I am after all glad you decided to poke me and not somebody else; to be honest, I prefer to see the former capital of Ashdod in the hands of far Pangaea rather than some evil nation you might have gone poking ;)

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Nice battle at the castle. Enjoy it. Just one prov left for you to take until I can get out of this godforsaken game. GG Jarkko.

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Ok, I suppose I won the battle then :) Haven't seen the turn yet, was a bit afraid to attack, but decided to push in rather than go for the domkill this time. I bet the losses have been horrible for me, manikin and maenads aren't exactly the primary choice to send against fort defenses shooting masses of shrapnel...

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Speaking of horrible losses, Smaug will temporarily unavailable for confessional while he once again navigates the paths of the underworld. His prophet, the apparently unkillable diplomat Riego, is still alive and kicking, and will preside over Church ceremonies and inquisitions in Smaug's absence.

Marignon bestows our blessings on Man for giving Smaug the pleasure of paying a visit to the recently departed. And we also appreciate Man's efforts in eliminating the health benefit costs for a few mages who had seen better days.

-- Ordo Mors Serpens

Brong is confused that the followers of Smaug seem happy at the dispatching of their hissing God. But if that is indeed what pleases them, then we wish them well with their many endless months of genuflecting to return him to this war-strewn plane.

But be warned that those who are devoted to Brong will not be so readily converted to follow the words of another, and a repeat fate awaits Smaug and his foolish flock should they again return to attempt the spreading of their false preachings.


Elsewhere, Brong welcomes the sudden arrival of our new neighbours at the site where an omni eyed ruler of giants previously sat upon his throne. And one wonders if they are going to be friends to their deprived nature loving cousins?

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Pangaea does not wish anything else but peace and happines to reign in the world. Especially peoples who are true followers of Nature are regarded with utmost respect, thus long life and prosperity is wished upon them.

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Do we have a potential stale developing?

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Nope :)

Thanks for the delay just in case though QM (or Archae). Much appreciated. Got caught up doing a few essentials when I got in from work. Just sent the turn now though.

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Abysia and Atlantis decided to throw their act together, and attacked fair Pangaea. Why can not the forest dwellers be left to live in peace and write some harmonous poems? :(

Although I have to say the attempt from Atlantis was pitiful. I would love to roll on the floor laughing at that "attack", but honestly, the attempt was so sad that I am simply too embarrassaded on behalf of Atlantis. Surely sending in commanders *alone* against Pangaea (I mean *Pangaea*, who is famous for eating commanders for breakfast) wasn't that brilliant stroke of geniousness, was it? To make matters worse, the commanders were the damn excellent H3 priests, who was sent for some pretender knows which reason into a province with absolutely zero manikin. For next round, please bring along *lots* of chaff, so that you wouldn't have to face similar embarrasments again; losing thugs to PD Harpies is possibly the second worst fate of any wanna-be hero (the worst fate would be to get kileld by markata PD...) after all.

On the other hand, I am quite impressed by the Abysian effort. Ok, so Abysians made some blunders too (and I am most delighted for that, the charts would look so bad without them), but I have to say that attack by 34 commanders (I suppose that is about every single warlock Abysia has ever recruited, right? I certainly hope no unscrupulous nation will take advantage of such a silly concentration of commanders so far from home) supported by a huge (for non-Pangaean standards, that is) army was excellently performed. I lost nearly two percent of my armies, and it hurts me inside :( Free spawn have feelings too, you know :(

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The 'warlocks' who can fly and thus zip back to the other end of my empire a turn or two, you mean?

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The people of ulm call to the rest of the living world, we are slowly destroyed by the ermorian onslaught, and if no one will help us, we will soon be death. And i think i talk for everyone of the living people that the ermorian plague mast be stopped before the whole world becomes a place where only the undead walk.

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Ermorian onslaught? Foul, treacherous lies!

Twice Ermor has had a surprise assault launched against us. Firstly by Mictlan, then at the end of that war, Ulm sought to crush our exhausted forces. Ermor has been on the defensive throughout; three times Ulm has besieged and stormed our northern fort and three times narrowly been repulsed; even now, Ulm holds territory that was Ermor's prior to their sneak assault.

If the tide has turned, it is no less than the cowardly opportunists of Ulm deserve!

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Ah, but the warlocks have to have wings to be able to fly, no? There is always the danger of wings getting cut once the abyssian demons meet one of the proper Pangaean armies. It is unfair that the Pangaean PD always have to bear the brunt when evil nations attacks, but the harpy spawns have proven their worth tim and again; yet do not expect such an easy joy-ride in the coming battles. There will be blood and there will be splinters, mark my words!

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Atlantis commanders weren't actually attacking, they were fleeing C'tis capital, and had nowhere to go, so I thought this was as good a place to die in as any other.

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Bit short notice, but can I please request a 4 hour delay? Turn will likely be a huge rush job otherwise (PM-ed/emailed you about it as well QM)

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someone please declare war on me and come kill me so that man doesn't get my capital.


that is all.

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That's a nice sporting gesture I must say.

I battle back over many turns from the brink of defeat against a far superior enemy, that started the war in the first place, and now that same enemy is trying to deny me a profit from any victory I may achieve.

Man has more or less been Caelum's only opponent all game, so I'd be pretty pissed if someone came along and stole the prize at the last minute without doing anything to earn it. Especially if Caelum helped them to do it by 'gifting' them their capital. Asia Twist anyone?

There is such a thing as saying 'Well Done' to your opponent, and accepting a defeat with pride and dignity if you have lost a fair fight. Offering your only asset to a random neighbour who has had absolutely nothing to do with the relevant fight all game is certainly not very sporting in my books.

But then I learnt ages ago in life that not everyone accepts defeat graciously.

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I haven't had any reason to play in ~40turns and I haven't asked for a delay or staled or even failed to give someone orders... but I'm not sure I can continue to play after having been insulted by the only player I'm playing with. I've been wasting my time almost exclusively for the benefit of you enjoying a game..


*insults removed*

either way I would like someone to either kill me

P.S. I wouldn't even mind if you (man) killed me... I've been waiting dozens of turns for you to attack me and you never did so I just started mounting a nearly suicidal offensive in the hopes of pointing out to you that you could've defeated me dozens of turns ago (the first two or three times I did many many many turns ago I of course thought I had a shot)... but I long since gave up on that plan and I've just reinstituted it to demonstrate to you that I have nothing else and in several dozen turns have made no progress (in like 20turns I've recruited like 3units and had like 80desert)

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I obviously had no idea you have had no reason to play for ~40 turns, as you say, as there is no way I could know such a thing. And this actually comes as a shock to me given how enthusiastic I felt you were about this game. This latter remark I judge from the incredible frequency with which you sent me PM's in the early part of this game, mostly during the turns we were allies and not enemies. Although you still sent many PM's when we were enemies. So for you to now suddenly claim you have had no reason to play, basically from more-or-less the start of the game, is very surprising to hear indeed.

Although to say you have been wasting your time almost exclusively for the benefit of me enjoying a game is a very bizarre statement that I don't understand at all I'm afraid.

And I apologise if what I said insulted you, but I found your original comment very insulting. As from my point of view, that comment came across as saying "I'm about to lose to you, but you're not getting the prize you've been fighting for, as I'm going to give it away to the first random person who comes along. So Na-Na-Na-Na-Na".


You have edited your message, but I saw the original, so I will reply.


Yes I convinced Machaka to break their NAP with you and attack you. NAP's mean little in this game, so I didn't consider this to be a terrible incident. You gave me full notice of cancelling our NAP, which you honoured, and which is a credit to you. But the circumstances were vastly different I feel. You decided to attack me, your ally against Bandar, as I was by far the easiest target for you at the time. And like you said yourself, attacking in a different direction would run the risk of you encountering Pan. Which you didn't want to do at all.

As a result of your attack, and given you were over twice the size of my nation at the time, and the big advantage of flying mobility in a small area, I felt my only chance of survival was to turn to diplomacy, and find help against you asap. Frozen Lama / Machaka answered that call, for which he has my thanks. But the only losers in that very brief affair were actually Machaka themselves, who fell to a mirrored stabbing fate against Marignon. I guess there's a good lesson in there regarding 'Do unto others', as the saying goes :)


You say you have been waiting dozens of turns for me to kill you. Again, how the hell I'm supposed to know such things is beyond me. Or even why anyone would think that way / take that approach, during in a game. I admit some of your play has surprised me at times, but I have never played in a game with you before, and everyone has different ways of playing the game. Plus I have played in less than a dozen MP games to date, so I have far from a full book of example play-styles to judge players upon. So surprising play to me may be normal play to others.


I apologise in advance if I have said anything to again offend you. But many of you comments and remarks here make no sense to me at all, and indeed contradict almost all of your other actions. This makes it difficult to predict or judge any result that may occur from my own comments on this matter.

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this war was fun but you won it 20-40turns ago :)

obviously you can't see my .trn files so you can't tell how badly I am doing.... but... I figured after a few dozen turns of doing awful you'd eventually figure it out... now the problem is i can't make you kill me...

because if i gode you too much and then somehow you get unlucky and lose too many troops or commanders... then i seem like i lied and tricked you... but see... if someone else attacked me... well..

they might have had positive income at some point during the game and they might have a force 100times as powerful as mine instead of only 10times as powerful

I mean... not only have I not won any battles at all during this war, I haven't even managed to inflict 10% as much loses as I've sustained and not only that but there have been like 8battles in 45turns maybe less than 8? you have to admit this has been the most boring war ever, eh?


It's hard to fight a war with -200income (I took turmoil1luck3 because if I did very well and had many territories and a chance to win the added income over turmoil3 I felt would've been worth it... and if I wasn't going to win I wasn't going to win) every turn and no non-national gems and no trading while yes there were strategies I could have come up with that would've worked to defeat you they would've required the war to be twice as long as it has been and I'd probably have gone AI after 80turns of this :) so I tried making some giant random foolish attacks in the hopes of catching you off guard and obliterating you via some happenstance... (if you were able to predict all my good plays and prepare for them I figured bad play might work better than good play... and even if bad play didn't work well it would at least end the war faster even if it only gave me a like 10% chance to win.... now in hindsight bad play was somehow even easier for you to predict than good play but I couldn't've known that at the time)


while I was typing this long post I lost like 80% of my national resources :) technically I could've done a lot better if I was on defense every single battle but like I said I didn't have the patience to stall you for another 20turns now that I've taken such heavy loses no matter how hard I try to stay alive I wouldn't be able to last more than 10turns, problem solved!

I can't be sure but judging by how shortly before the hosting I posted I have a feeling abysia planned that attack before I called for it... which is quite an odd coincidence if true!

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And now R'lyeh too attacked fair Pangaea. Keep 'em coming! Pangaea against four nations, and the situation *still* looks good! Let the killing commence, the armies of Pangaea are now in position for the counterattack :)

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You should start worrying when Oceania joins R'lyeh. They are allied, and looking at the score graphs and Oceania pretender, I think Oceania will be a clam-powerhouse and strong magic power pretty soon. I suppose Atlantis will fall to Oceania this turn, considering what little I have left to defend my fort.

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Clams are unique items for this game.

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He probably has it, then. Still, best researcher and very strong pretender. I guess I'm not going to be the only one to bite the dust because of him.