Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Hrmm, I dunno about sending stuff to Arco. I tried many times to enter a NAP with him, and he keeps talking of 'when I need more land...' (i.e. I'll be his next target soon).

Personally, I've enjoyed dealing w/ Ryleh, so I'd rather lose to him than Arco. ;)

If Arco wants to sign a long-term NAP, then I'm happy to send him some pearls. Otherwise Ryleh can do as he wants; he's made no aggressive moves towards me.

- Pangaea

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Haha you misunderstand. It's not so I can empower my astrologers or forge expensive astral gear, it'd all go to dispeling FotA

If everyone still alive donated 50 pearls I'm sure we could get it down and dead.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

"Otherwise Ryleh can do as he wants; he's made no aggressive moves towards me."

the thing is, putting up the Forge of the Ancients is an aggressive move against you, and the rest of us! Forge of the Ancients gives him a 50% discount on all items! and it stacks with hammers(Dwarven as well as the special artifact ones)! imagine what he can do with all those items, and the ability to forge artifacts(construction 8, which he has). that's why the Forge of the Ancients is considered as 1 of the game breaking globals, up there with Astral Nexus, Arcane Corruption, Utterdark, etc. casting any of those basically means "I win the game unless everyone gangs up on me to stop me", now it's up to us to gang up on him and stop him, just like he asked us to do...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

so forge of the anchients plus hammer of the forge lord would mean a 100% reduction, but the maximum is 90% so that is what it gives, correct?

so even if you have no gems left over, you might as well forge a 5 gem thing for free, and if you have a few go with a ring of wizardry for 6 gems or that pimp-assed death armer for 4 gems?

yeah, sounds like a deal...

===========================

right so in the list of 'game breaking' artifacts, most of them personally f**k up every other empire (like utterdark or astral corruption), with the exception of this one and the arcane nexus. this one we know, the nexus gives its owner 1 pearl for every 2 gems (actual gems, not pearls or slaves) spent by every player that term. this often means 100+ pearls and 2 wishes per turn.

the one we are dealing with means equiping a mad SC which would normally cost 40-50 gems to equip for like a tenner...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Sure, if I wasn't running in third place this might be a concern. But let's face it.

I am not currently winning the game. I might, if you are GENEROUS consider that I am running a distant third. Why would you gang bang me in this circumstance? I'm not an immediate threat. There is a future in which I will be a threat, but it is a distant future indeed.

Colonial and Nosantee currently winning the game. I know you are pissed at me personally Blackguard, because, along with Man and Colonial I am currently attacking you. Sorry, bad situation with the guy you are subbing for who decided to be a bit of a tool.

Nothing I can do about that. Someone else in this game is already packing the steel ovens, someone else is running at over twice my RP, and has been for the entire game, and someone else is about to summon end game SCs (I do not have access to any SCs atm except golems).

The only person who is really incentivised to attack me this game is you:

Nosantee (Current game leader, imho) is already fighting two people, and has to watch colonial

Colonial is already fighting you (he can stop though), but he has to bulk up enough to be equal to Nosantee once Nosantee finishes eating Man and Shinu

Abysia/Pangea: Attacking me ensures that we both lose the game. Taking me down will hurt, and I will make them pay. If they took me out, they are going to be looking at Nosantee or Colonial having a game winning lead.

Of course, you are in a bad position with me. Indeed, kicking me out of your turf is probably a great move. I respect this.

It is also the reason you are calling a lynch mob on me. But let's be absolutely clear: The only reason to kill me is to get me off Marigon's back, if you think that will help ensure that colonial will not get a run away lead.

To that end, I am willing to talk turkey on a peace deal if you are :)

Additionally, to ensure that the delta I gain from the forge will be controllable, I extend offers of discounted forging to everyone who is not currently yanking my chain. It has to REMAIN profitable for me, but I will forge you you

Regards,

The Squids.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

What does a clam cost at 75% using a normal hammer and FotA?

4W 1N

How many of his mages have 3W and 1N for clam production?
All of his slave mages

How crazy is his W income? He's under water... How good is his E income for hammers? He cast FotA didn't he? Just some thoughts for some of you to keep in mind

In 5 turns he'll have 50 clams.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Wow, now you're deliberately misrepresenting the truth even after I corrected you in IRC.

Only 1/4 slave mages has a nature random. This is very much different from 'all my slave mages' For further reference, all my slave mages with a nature random can make clams without the forge :)

This should tell you I don't have 10 slave mages with nature randoms, and it should also tell you that your conspiracy theories are completely loopy.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

CthulhuDreams, you got it all backwards. I don't have any beef with you personally, nor with Man, his invasion is pathetic and I will crush it soon anyway without too much problem. I do have a beef with propaganda and bull**** though, and that's what you're currently trying to use.

FotA is a game breaking global, ask anybody on IRC and he'll tell you that. you say you're currently 3rd, let me ask you, in what? income, gems, provinces, forts, military size, research? oh yeah, and there's this little other problem, being that the graphs are off... so what exactly do you base this claim upon? other than propaganda and bull**** that is...?

"I am not currently winning the game" I just subbed into this game, so my information is very limited, but with the graphs being off I'd say it's safe to say nobody really knows who the current winner is, if there is even 1 nation that is a clear winner at this point.

"Why would you gang bang me in this circumstance?" circumstance? no offense but you brought this onto yourself as soon as you put the FotA up, don't blame everyone else for your wrong doings, accept the consequences of your actions.

"I'm not an immediate threat. There is a future in which I will be a threat, but it is a distant future indeed." future threat? last time I checked you have a golem in my lands with the Sickle(1 of the better artifacts available) which means that you have const8 researched and quite a few artifacts already(as the Sickle is not the first artifact you usually forge). being an UW nation you had a very easy time to remote search all your provinces with Voice of Tiamat, so you should also have a hefty gem income at this stage. const8+massive gem income+FotA=fatal combination. oh yeah, and I didn't even mention that we're playing vanilla, so your hidden gem income is probably huge as well, which makes the "circumstances" as you wanted to call them, so much worse.

as for the rest of the information you willingly shared with us. I have no idea whether it's factual information or mere propaganda on your end, after all the bull**** you mixed in I, and everyone else, need to take it with a grain of salt. however, if what you say is true, than you just made the worst move you could have made. you painted a large red target circle on your forehead instead of divert the attention away from you. so now everyone must focus on you because of the FotA before you spin out of control, instead of the other "game leaders" as you say(again, assuming what you said here is in fact the truth).

so, I have a proposition for you. either you dispel your own global(either kill the caster or waste pearls actually dispelling it) this turn, or suffer a gang bang to bring it, and you, down. if by next turn we still see the FotA up consider it as open season on you.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

first, 'hidden gem income'... unless I'm mistaken, its all hidden.

second, his analysis of the power levels isn't too inaccurate, as of last turn I would have said:

1. Arco
2. Marignan
3. Bandar and R'yleh more or less tied

of course I have no better information than anyone else. That is heavily influenced by out respective territories.

so yeah, the forge is kind of painting a big target on his head...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

It's easy enough to work out - Marigon probably has the most limited scouting position.

But, if as you say you have no idea who is winning, maybe you should just start asking people. I'm happy to cough up scouting information to you, and you can independently confirm it with whomever you like. You can also confirm that the only land provinces I have are those near you, and thus I am not actually that big.

Then you can confirm that I'm not spouting propaganda and bull****. If you also ask someone what turn I conquered Atlantis' capital (which is a chokepoint blocking me from 10 ocean provinces) you can even tell I was not doing very well. Despite Atlantis staling 3 turns at the start of the game Marigon had conqueror-ed the entire south continent before I had captured my 11th province.

I rate you lower than Bandar because I figure you don't have many mages and Bandar has lots, but obviously YMMV. As for the target thing:

I have to do something DRAMATIC to win the game, as I am behind in all aspects. My personal view is I am less than 50% of a front running research per turn count, and I don't have enough gold to max out my mage production so I am falling further behind with every turn.

I'm betting that Colonial, Nosantee and yourself have other fish to fry. Which you do. And you all know it.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

So we have been waiting on man for several days now... guess I will drop him a pm.

I would understand if he wanted to drop out of the game at this point, TBH. He's been fighting a micro-heavy loosing battle for a while now. also he seems to always loose due to inferior scripting, which can be enfuriating...

if we do loose the man player, I recomment putting it ai.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Putting him AI... That might be...

Truthfully I've finished this war. His last stand army is down and he's only got a small fleet of commanders in my territory that I'm taking care of this turn. The march is back on and I'll be seiging his cap by turn 44.

It was a difficult fight honestly. Him finding the site that gave him astral mages made this a whole lot harder (Anti-Magic is a pain in the arse) and heavily saved him from utter slaughter at the hands of Eye of the Void equiped Mind Hunters.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

what do people think, shal we update the game to 3.25 when it comes out?

I could see an arguement not to, since apparently there is always a chance that it breaks the save game.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Lets wait, for someone other to do it first.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Hmm looking over the changelog for it it doesn't seem to have any mechanic changers or big things (mostly cosmetic and little unimportant things (Made Yoginis female for example... Did that really matter?))

I say stay with 3.24.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Does that mean I wouldn't be able to patch my game at all? Is it possible to have 3.25 on your PC, but still run 3.24 for some of your games?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Arco is so far out of league for Shino its not funny.
What was the plan from my precedessor?

Look threatening with big number armies and roll over when somebody goes to war?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

@ Earwick: I have my dominions in a folder called 'dominions 3.14' and plan to patch into a folder called 'dominions 3.15'. thats fine for the game, if you have the disk space for it. I'd be up for patching over this game, but if it bugged out it would be tragic.

@ Korwin: I don't think he was a terribly skilled player TBH. no idea what he had planned.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Excellent... never even considered that.

However, wouldn't the beta team catch a saved games bug? Or has stuff like that gotten through in the past?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Llamabeast is recommending that everyone just go ahead and patch the game, as he says it is extremely difficult to keep a game going otherwise, as one of the players will inevitably patche their version. However, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for everyone to make a backup of their trn and 2h files before submitting their last unpatched turn.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

What is the process of how we should go about doing this?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Wait for the Patch to come out?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Huh, why is the turn timer set to the 12th???

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I checked the server this morning, and there was a message from llamabeast saying that he had accidentally patched the servers with the beta patch. If I recall correctly, since none of us have a patched version, he said there might be some downtime... obviously, the message isn't there anymore, so don't quote me.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Anyone have Nature gems they want to trade for? I have lots of Death and Earth gems. :)

Thanks!

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Yeah I saw that, but why would not even a day of downtime roll it back nearly a week? Any chance we could set it for sunday evening/monday morning rather than waiting that long. Or has the server set it permanently to be wednesday until everything is taken care of?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Not a clue. I should have my turn in within a few hours; maybe it will still autohost if everyone's is turned in.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Changed the host back to a resonable time manually. its currently set to tomorrow evening. should be ok for everyone.

I was probably just being paranoied about the patching. I've haven;t been in the community long enough to see a patching yet, but had heard horror stories :s.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

3 hours 'til process and still waiting on two players :S
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Wait, spoke too soon. now we're just waiting on one.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

To Pangaea, Abyssia, and R'lyeh who for some reason owns Bald Mountain(71)-

KEEP YOUR DAMN GOAT HEADED, TENTACLE CRAWLIN', BURNIN' FIREMAN MITS OFFA' MY GREY AND GREEN FLAGGED PROPERTY!

That is all

With love
-Arcoscephale

PS: You too Marignon, I'm watching you... Sieging Myrgor Island (16). You stay where you are!

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Um, get out of my back yard, youngster! :p

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

As much a I love seeing my neighbor's bicker, we have a bit of an issue with Nosantee's "green flagged property".

I think this is a case where setting him AI is the only reasonable move. it seems we are all in the middle of a group gangbang, and inviting a sub into that position would be a bit heartless...

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Alright, taking the bull by the horns here.

If, one hour from the time of this post, I have heard no objections, I will be setting Man as an AI. (I will get someone I'm living with to actually do it so I don't see anything...)

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I must say, the bull does seem a bit upset, but you do look rather svelte holding those horns like that.... ;)

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

;)

AI turn sent.

down to 7 of us folks.

and I had my father do it, so never say the turn file.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

ARgh I just ****ed myself. That makes me want to resign.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Come on, if I've been able to fight a losing battle for ten turns or so, anyone can.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

well, my turn is already in, so 'want' is different from what I'm actually doing :P

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

You can resend your turn, if it has not allready hosted.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Nah, it was a **** up last turn because I didn't understand how something worked, and as a result broke a very expensive toy. Woe is me.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I know what happened :3 but only cause you mentioned anything lol. I didn't notice originally till I took a closer look.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Errr, so what happened exactly? I could totally see myself making the same mistake, as I haven't used any of the returning spells to date.

What was the mechanic that messed up or didn't work as expected?

Nathan

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Doesn't the mage die if the province it was from is occupied?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Ah I know what you are talking about. Happen to have had an astral window up. Thats 3 artifacts up for grabs...

I had thought the toy in question had retreated successfully when I saw it. I guess not?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Oh yes, it successfully returned... to his Capital... without any waterbreathing items.

I honestly did not think Golems breathed and thus would drown. I was surprised when I found out myself.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

We need a Nelson Muntz "Ha ha!" smiley lol. Of course, I've made much worse mistakes, so I'd probably be the main recipient :doh:

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Golums can't breath underwater? learn something new every day...


but yeah, that must have sucked.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I had to have a rage break. The most annoying part is that I thought it would return to it's home province, not to my capital hence the lack of WB gear.

I head-desk'ed pretty hard.

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

I always wondered about that... so they definitely go back to the capital?

Re: Rock the Cradle--Noob Only! (RUNNING)
 

Yes.