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It WAS a fun game. Mictlan was not diplomatic enough in this game. Was a good time though!

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Updated Mictlan's status.

I would like to know Yellow's thought on who gets his dagger.

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Definately Googly1. He wore me down so the vultures could come in! (No offense, you Vultures!)

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Alright. Noted. When Mictlan is finally ashes, I'll grant C'tis his dagger.

Now, I'm counting up the daggers and I find I'm a bit short.

For the deaths of Gath and Patala, I have Ermor for 2 daggers.
For the death of Ulm I have Utgard for 1 dagger.
For the death of Argatha I have Tien Chi for 1 dagger.
For the death of Abyssia I have Pythium for 1 dagger.
For the deaths of Marignon, Jomon, and Ermor, I have Atlantis for 3 daggers.

When Utgard dies, I believe we agreed the dagger goes to Caelum.
When Mictlan dies, the dagger goes to C'tis.

Man, Bogarus, Arcoscephale, Caelum, Tien Chi, and Atlantis are all in fair condition. Though I believe Caelum is only half of what it use to be.

That leaves the death of Pythium unremembered. Can anyone help with this one?

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this is debatable, but I think the dagger for Abysia should probably go to me instead of Pythium. I had orchestrated Abysia's downfall with Pythium from the start and did the bulk of the fighting -- including taking his capitol -- although it was definitely a team effort.

For Pythium it's hard to tell since I was originally allied with them, but they decided to bum rush me with everything they had after they went AI, so I spent many turns trying to push them back and thin out their army until I was finally able to take their capitol. T'ien did quite a bit of fighting as well, so he might have different perspective.

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Apologies for the short notice, but if you get this in time, AoE, I could use a 24-hour extension. I'm assuming you won't, so I'll try to get my turn in at the last minute.

Thanks, either way.

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Sorry I didn't read this time. Hope you got all your major moves in.

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So, before starting this game, there was a long lull where I abstained from Dominions 3. Yet we know its such a great game that no reasonable enthusiast of strategy games could stay away for very long.

I started this game as the latest CBM of the time. Personally, I played more vanilla then CBM in my total career. So the Zemy was an entirely new unit to me, as well as many other summoned commanders. In my calculations, the Zemy is possibly the most cost effective unit in the entire game. I would even put it above tartarians if what your looking for is a unit to stomp with. Now that may be extreme, but its an estimation of the pound-for-pound gain from a simple 30 gem investment. I was unfortunate to be unable obtain fire gems at all for the majority of the game. Even now, my total accumulation of said fire gems have been rather disappointing.

I will now make a sad face and get over it. Onwards!

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I think they are overpowered: From my experience they are hard to kill, hard to track down, pack a mean punch, and are relatively cheap to summon. In the few MP games I've been in (four including this one), it seemed that many of the players (including me) scrambled to build as many of these units as possible.

I've been able to find some counters, but they require a fair amount of resources to pull off. I don't know the details, but I think they are being toned down in a future CBM version.

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If possible, I'll need a 12 hour extension for the turn. Thanks!

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Granted.

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One staff of storms and my plans go to hell! Why that army? Its like the only army you have sent at me with a staff. Are you psychic? Should I not be thinking when I make up my plans? Just click around randomly and hope for the best?

Edit: Also, 49 commanders. Just saying.

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Not psychic, although my mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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Delayed hosting by 9 hours. Sorry guys.

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This probably isn't a big deal, but Atlantis staled on that last turn. I don't want to take advantage of someone when they can't fight back, so it might be good to delay hosting if we don't hear back from Danbo.

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I'm at a convention till late on Sunday and won't be able to submit my turns. I've delayed the game 24 hours.

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These turns are becoming rather involved. Actually, that's a massive understatement because they were involved about 70-turns ago and now they are on a whole different plane; I'm literally spending hours every night working on them.

No complaints though since this game more then feeds my evil, inner dictator. However, I'm going to request a 24-hour extension for this coming turn, so I can experience what the outside world is like and not have to worry about staying sober or my turn looming over me:)

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No problems. I'm always open to requests for extension.

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I will fight on, but the end of Bogarus is near. Atlantis is the one that can claim us as his victims.

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Thanks Matty. You fought the good fight. We'll avenge you against the monsters from the deep. To everyone else left, huge kudos for lasting nearly 7 months across 100 turns. I'm going to do everything in my power top kick all of your asses, but its been an honor to match wits against you all.

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The nation of Man salutes the valiant behavior of Bogarus. However, we must condemn their leadership in choosing to side against our ally. We suspect another nation coerced the taxed nation of Bogarus into its stance against those beloved and somehow adorable inhuman abominations.

We will double our efforts to put an end to such coercion by eliminating the highest probable suspect. Now begins the end of the morally weak nation of Arcoscephale. Should you rebuff our efforts, know this, a counter-offensive will prove utterly useless.

I understand you haven't had a very extensive visit of our lands. Please allow us to describe it for you so you can know what to expect. Just beyond what you see are our mountainous castles! Further on we have rolling hills of flush green castles! To the south are beaches of pristine castles! Let's also not forget our majestic fields of more castles! I hope you choke on our delicious looking castles!

Our citizens will never yield, never relent, never falter, and most certainly will never dodge our tax collection agents. Be rest assured, any citizenry that falls under your rule will be appraised of any back taxes that are due when under our loving protection once again. Though I suppose if we were to collapse onto our selves and just give up, I'm sure it would still take you the length of this war once over to claim our sacred lands.

Good day to you, and I hope you will somehow enjoy your inevitable demise.

Cheerio

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Requesting 12 more hours for myself. Turn postponed.

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Requesting an additional 24 hours delay... it's been a busy weekend. Thanks!

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Our just and noble nation would never stoop to unfairly coerce an ally. I don't speak for Bogarus, but I suspect the multiple atrocities inflicted against them by those evil amphibians might have had something to do with their decision. We tried to assist them, but alas, the forces of evil were too strong.

That's not true. We've had lots of visits actually -- courtesy of astral window. And you forgot to mention that your poor peasants chafe under nearly unspeakable economic conditions due to crippling taxes (120% taxes on your non-blood provinces for nearly a hundred turns). My fair republic isn't prepared to deal with the flood of refugees that would pour across our borders if we attempted a serious offensive, so we're content to put down the occasional raid and continue to offer hope for a better life for your people.

That's okay. We're patient and it's only turn 98. We still have a long way to go :)

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The Atlantians are barbaric. They attacked our homeland almost from the beginning. Instead of wiping them out we allowed them to survive. Our mistake. They do unspeakable things to our women. They closed all of our seafood restaurants...One day we shall find a way to strike back at them!

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This turn is going to be complicated and this week is looking pretty bad from a work perspective. Can I get a 42-hour extension?

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Sort of granted. I've postponed the game by 41.98 hours.

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Thanks :up:

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I'm cranking out my turn, and I had a not-so-sudden realization: I'm not smart to be playing at this scale. My feeble human brain is having trouble handling all of the complexity. I can't even call it micromanagement -- it's just a ton of critical decisions every turn with a mega amount of uncertainty mixed in. Don't get me wrong, this is one of the things I like about Dominions, but don't be alarmed if I start making some seriously bone-headed decisions because at this point I might as well be a cunning monkey typing on a keyboard.

And speaking of monkeys, don't be alarmed if you see some flying around my capitol. They are just dropping off their latest batch of snacks to my hungry Wendigos.

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Once again the armies of Man march forward and strike another blow to the unfaithful heathens to our North.

Meanwhile, that vile nation of liverless fiends marches toward the war-torn remains of Caelum, that once glorious and wonderful nation. We should know, as we have brought the glory of our god to a few of the fortunate cites. Arco, that tarterous mass of bile that refers to itself as a kingdom will not succeed in wiping out the remains of Caelum should the nation of Man have anything to say. We have sheltered their refugees for many months now and will do our up most to protect the last remnants of that majestic race.

Here this you bottomless scourge of rotten meat, you will fail and die by our hands!

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I'm currently on vacation with sporadic internet access and other difficulties. May I ask to extend hosting interval to 100 hrs per turn for about three weeks until March 23?

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I agree with Revenant about the complexity of this game. As it turns out, I have a tremendous amount of scripting to do for this upcoming turn and not much time to do it. Requesting a 24 hour extension, please.

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Should we disable auto-hosting for the time being? That will give everyone plenty of time to take their turns, and this game is at a critical juncture where mistakes can be especially problematic. If someone takes an excessive amount of time, i.e., more than a week, then we can talk about forcing a host.

AOE,

If you need help managing this stuff let me know and I can help out.

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We've been introducing democracy to several of Caelum's freedom-loving provinces, and they are in no danger of being wiped out. In fact, many of Caelum's former military have joined my just and noble nation in our defensive war against the evil forces of the triple alliance, i.e., Man, T'ien, and Atlantis.

We have yet to see these fiends you mentioned. Are you sure they aren't some of your vampires that are feeding on the local population? Perhaps they ran out of Caelum refugees to feed on? We hear of many atrocities being committed in your lands.

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Crap. Both T'ien and Man staled.

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Yes, I was very depressed about the stale last night. I hadn't expected to miss the deadline. You leave the house and things happen some times. I'm kinda bummed and I'm sorry if others suffered while I was away from the wheel.

Removing Auto-host.
Moving the Host interval to 100hr as requested.

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Stuff happens. I wouldn't sweat it. I could tell that people were struggling with their turns, so I probably should have mentioned something earlier.

I sometimes get paranoid about getting my turn in time, so I'll often send in a preliminary turn and then send in updates. In fact, I probably send in 5-10 updates each turn now because there's always a bunch of things I miss.

Each one of these turns is like a separate project for me. I start off by creating a outline of what I want to accomplish each turn and then break that into tasks that I do in separate sittings. For instance, yesterday after I got my turn, I just focused on recruitment where all I do is figure out what units I need. Sometimes, I'll just focus on a single battle if it requires a lot of scripting. I even have a spreadsheet of all the territories with population, defenses, etc., so I can keep track of troop movements and weak points.

This is all fun (I love deep war games), but I could easily spend all day every day working on these turns if I let it. There's been a few times where I realized I like 3:00 AM I made a bone-headed move and then went to the computer to adjust my turn. My wife probably thinks I have a girl-friend on the side :)

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That stale was, to say the least, costly. And that last turn was absolutely horrifying. I thought Flames from the Sky and Murdering Winter couldn't affect armies that were in castles!? I lost over 500 troops in that one province, which was well over half of my largest army!

Looking at the score charts, it's clear to me that Arcoscephale has won. There may still be some small contest to that, but I highly doubt it. Couple that with the immense amount of time it's taking all of us to do our turns, and I'm going to propose that we declare Arcoscephale the victor- revenant2 has earned it.

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Dito.

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I agree. I hadn't looked at them in about 10 turns, but wow the trend is obvious for Arco.

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I went a little nuts with the remote attacks against that army, but I was expecting you to use it to relieve your besieged fortress. I had actually moved in a large force to reinforce the siege so I could get first strike and attempt it's destruction.

I won't say that I've won this game with absolutely certainty, but I'd say things are looking pretty dire for the triple alliance. I've been saving up to cast Arcane Nexus that would hit in a few turns, and I'm not sure if you guys can concentrate enough forces to crack any of my fortresses without me causing massive damage to your armies via remote attack and assassination spells. I'm also pretty much immune to raiders as you guys discovered :)

I'll play this game to the bitter end, but I would obviously prefer to end it if everyone agrees I'm the clear winner. The amount of time it takes to complete these turns is pretty intensive.

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Well, Arco, TC, Caelum, and Bogarus have spoken in favor of declaring Arco the winner. If Man and Atlantis agree, we'll have consensus. May I request a turn extension until we hear back from the last players?

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AOE said he disabled the auto-hosting, so we should be good.

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Postponed 12 hours. I'm sorry, but I need some sleep before I can round out the last of my changes.

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In regards to declaring Acro the winner, I'm on the bench. Until my most unfortunate stale, Acro had been unable to take any of my fortifications. Honestly, it has turned into trench warfare between the two of us. Then again, I can't say I was victim to the same army destroying rituals that you are all under. I'm likely not the biggest target of his aggression. Still, from my estimation, so long as my interest holds, I can remain in this game for another 50 to 70 turns even while losing badly the whole way.

If you want to declare Acro the winner by virtue of being able to win against the world, I refuse to see your view realistic. If you want to declare Acro winner by virtue of being king of the hill in the very late-game while interest apparently wains, then I can agree to that.

The real question is not, has Acro already won? The question is, do you want this game to end?

There is no shame in wanting to move on.

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Strategically, it doesn't make much sense for me to attack you AOE. You literally wrote the book on defensive warfare with LA man, so I'm using just enough force to keep you at bay so I can focus on other fronts.

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I'm happy to keep playing if others want to. When I commit, I commit for the long haul. I can certainly say this though...I'm not winning! LOL

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I figured I was getting minimal treatment. I'm going to allow this turn to play out and then wait a day for any major objections to calling the game, just to give danbo a chance to put in his two cents.

Edit: Then again, it seems that Tein and Caelum are behind on turns. I might just extend this turn another day instead.

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Turn extended another 24 hours to allow players to submit turns and continue discussion/raise opposition to declaring a winner.

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I feel the same way. I'll play this game until the very last man if that's what it takes. I definitely won't want anyone to feel they need to concede if they still have hope. If we do keep playing, I'll continue to play as hard and ruthlessly as I can.