Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Edit: sorry double post http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ February 27, 2003, 17:16: Message edited by: Pablo ]

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primitive surrenders to Asmala at turn 59.

This guy plays a seriously good game, and I wish him the best of luck in his match for Kingship.
I was outproduced, outsmarted, outfought, out-everything in the book.


A bruised and battered primitive wakes up at the bottom of the hill. He had just started his war-dance against the Flying Finn when his foot slipped, and he fell over the edge.
This was very careless of him and he pledges to be more carefull from now on, to consentrate more on his defences.

primitive grips his rusty (yet pointy) spear and starts the long trek up the hill again.

primitive http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually Primitive outresearched me but luckily the quantity beated the qualify.

Hmm, I think I have to wait a long time before I can fight for kingship. The current King of the Hill Game has set up almost a week ago but it haven't started yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Preacheman had to go out of town or something. I expect him back any day and once he is the game should go quickly considering my experience with both of them.

Geoschmo

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*clang* Clang* *Clang*

P-reacher-man...
come out to pla-ay...

[very obscure movie reference] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

I think the big game may begin late tonight.

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Not to complicate things too much...Okay, that actually is my goal...but if there are now TWO number one contenders, shouldn't Preacherman have to defend his title in a three-way dance? Maybe in steel cage or something? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[obscure movie references that I get totally reek of awesomeness]

[ February 28, 2003, 04:56: Message edited by: Cheeze ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Yeh, I think that would be an incentive for the King of the Hill to not play a delay of game strategy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

No offence meant Preacherman. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But some future kings may actually play this strategy.

So what is the solution if there is a long line up of contenders?

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Ragnarok, I think I am your next opponent if no other game has ended yet.

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Tesco's comments below got me to thinking about something. StoneMill has to play Preacherman. If StoneMill Defeats Preacherman his next opponent will be Asmala. If StoneMill and Asmala want to start playing now, we can call it a "conditional" match. If StoneMill defeats Preacherman the StoneMill/Asmala game would become an official Koth match. If Preacherman wins then the StoneMill/Asmala game would become an unofficial non-Koth game. If you guys want to do that I can set it up for you.

Geoschmo

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I have been dying to ask this but WOE is King of the Hill (unless you are referring to that sad cartoon redneck thing)

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GT: King of the hill
One-on-One PBW tournament where you fight your way up the hill and the top-man becomes the king. One loss and you are down in the gutter and you have to start all over again.

See rules and current standings at:
http://seiv.pbw.cc/koth.htm

I am now next in line for an opponent at the bottom of the hill, so please join the tournament.
The primitive one would really like to add your hide to his collection. Tigerskins is just so nice in front of the fireplace.
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Primitive, you and whose' army, and I think barbarian scrotal sacks make nice novelty paper weights

what is the format on the games?

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2 players, small cluster (with no ruins), no mods, no holds barred.

Most games only Last for 50 - 100 turns.

And it don't take an army to skin a cat. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Sounds interesting? but as a newbie to playing the game, I would suspect I would be cannon-fodder very quickly....

and by the way, it does take an army when the cat in question is 7 feet tall, viscious to boot and liable to disembowel you simply for being Norwegian... and your remarks come from a man who likes to oil his muscles and wear a tight loincloth!!

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Cool,
You sign up by sending a mail to Geo. Address is in his profile.

And I am a newbie myself, and still learning the ins and outs of the game/format, so this can go both ways.

And WTH is wrong with oiling up ? You should try it sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Hmmm, I will have to think about it. I am not sure I can really dedicate the time needed to play a PBW game (I travel too much).

The other point is that I am really not sure I want to play a NOrwegian who professes to like rubbing oil on himself and also professes that he can go both ways!!

Eeeeekkk http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Unless your name is Helga, I am staying well clear

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LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Looks like your wits are sharper than your fangs.

It would have been great fun play you.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, I am your opponent. It should prove to be an interesting game. I bid you well in our battles.

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If a future King attempts to hold his crown by delay tactics I will simply boot him to the bottom of the hill, declare the #1 contender to be the new King and setup a match between him and the #2 contender.

A three way match would not fit the format of the KOTH league, and it wouldn't be very fair either as the contenders would be very likely I think to gang up on the King.

I don't think we will get a long list of contenders stacked up waiting to play, This is just a momentary thing I hope. But if we do I will add another level to the hill.

Geoschmo

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It is well known that Preacherman is on a small holiday right now... Hold your horses to the 3rd of March... Or play each other to see who should challenge KOTH...

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Well just started my koth game with Gand. Game 2 we are playing in the Koth world.

All I have to say is Brutal Start.... I now know how cursed I am with these games....

And just so you do not think the Tesco Start is not real. In Survivor I am doing Rollo's turns.... His home start system has 3 breatable type planets... Mine has zero

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2404.0 - Kazarp and I have finally made contact. Now the fun begins! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">2404.1 A huge Fleet of 300 battleships leaves base to engage the Nodachi forces.

2404.2 Nodachi's Excorts flee in terror upon hearing the news and he surrenders.

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Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mean I might have a chance this time?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You mean I can build ships?!? I kept looking for them at the market! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Guys, I have made a change to the Koth Default settings. The official default for Koth games is now a small spiral arm instead of a small midlife. I have done this because it give both players a better chance at getting a decent start in the game. With a small midlife there is too much of a chance of one player being boxed in and haveing access to much less then half the systems in the quadrant. The result is a predictably short game with an anticlimatic ending.

The midlife quadrant has less of a chance of this happening.

As with anysetting people can change the map if they can agree on a different one, but the spiral arm is the default now.

Geoschmo

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turn 5 i meet my enemy... Oh well I am gettign used to how early game meetings spells my doom... Lets see if I have adjusted enough

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nah, I'll be patient, I guess.

LOL... 3-way dance steel cage match... How do we use the map editor to do that? Can we also edit in come steel chairs and tables? Leave it to Cheeze to relate everything to a wrestling match... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Nice to know Asmala is waiting outside of the ring to pound one of us. It seems I may spend more time as a #1 contender than I may on top of that hill (if lady luck would be so kind to me).

[now, over to ESPN for the pre-game analysis...]
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Rambie is unavailable for a time so I am canceling our game and I am gonna play Primitive since he is waiting on an opponent. Once Rambie is back he can have whoever is available then.

Geoschmo

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Cool,
That may teach me some humility. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I met Rambie on turn 6 and it still took 60 turns to take him out. All is not lost Tesco, remember who you are playing (1-6).

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I believe that the SEIV equivalent of steel chairs and tables (ruins), have been eliminated from the KOTH games.

And while I agree it is likely that the 2 challengers would beat on the champion, you have to wonder how long before the champ is completely beaten down that the challengers will go at each other, allowing the king to recover and strike again. After all, how many forces is each challenger going to commit knowing that they still have to take out each other. And then the king and one challenger may team up on the other...oh the possibilities!!

Gecko found me on turn 6 (1 turn sooner than our previous game). We've had some very light battles, most being won by him, and now in turn 27 we both seem to be re-gathering forces. I'd say more, but I don't want to give anything away, lest my opponent lurks about this board. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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My experience from several 3 player games Cheese is that if the guy getting teamed up on isn't totally wiped off the map before the other two turn on each other, they don't leave him enough to have a realistic chance of making a comeback. My personal opinion is that if you have three players, it's better to wait and find a fourth, or play separate two man games.

Geoschmo

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Oh, here we go again. Turn 9 and Primitive and I have already met. Sheesh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Guess you got a good laught when you saw my starting system. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Geo, if you want a surefire way to beat Primitive, listen close.

What you do is gift him a really really large vat of vegetable oil to rub over himself, and also get your intelligence operatives to leave a few copies of "Muscles Weekly (with large colour photos)" round the royal palace on his home planet.

He will spend so much time larding himself up and reading the muscleboy mags that he wont notice whilst you sweep in and trash his empire

Note to Primitive: said extremely tongue in cheek!!

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Geo, GT’s advise won’t work.

Vegetable oil is only for sissies. Primitive only uses oil from the most ferocious animals, processed from beasts he has killed and skinned himself (not necessarily in that order).

Hmmm, maybe some tiger oil would be nice. Does that come in extra virgin ?

Edit: Cant spell

[ March 03, 2003, 15:34: Message edited by: primitive ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Boxed in is not a good thing.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, it's not. Hopefully the new default setting of small spiral map will prevent that in the future. So far in all my games using it even with an early meeting each player has a way to go to expand that won't overlap for a while.

Geoschmo

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Hey, I see that the King game as started. Anyone care to give us an update as to if anyones met, etc?

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DavidG got me! Hey I'm 0 for 3! Who's next in line to kick my butt? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not sure, but I just gave RexT a boost up the hill. Might be time for a rematch http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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hmm lost a planet... Did not expect you to be up there as well... Hmmm..... Looking like you might get me this game....

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I think I might (note: not absolute, as in still under consideration) withdraw from KOTH after this current game I am in, win or lose. This just isn't as fun as I had thought it would be. There are a few things that are horribly horribly broken in SE4 (such as intel), and I seriously doubt Geo would consider removing them from future games, as it would remove potential (cheap) strategies from being able to be used. I really do not want to play in any games where these things are possibilities any more, as they make the game less than fun. It is not that I can not deal with them, it is that I do not want to deal with them any more.

[ March 04, 2003, 05:40: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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Fyron, why drop out? Just ask your opponent if they want to play without intel. The KOTH rules allow for custom settings and mods.

A note to anyone who gets assigned to play me: The first thing I do is e-mail you to see if you want to change the settings. If you want a ten sphereworld, high tech, and 5000 racial point game or a one poor planet, low tech, 0 racial point, finite resources game, I'm the guy to try it out with. I may have lost all three of the games I've played but I've had a great time playing and I can't thank Geo enough for implimenting this format!

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Well, I don't want to turn this into a thread about the plusses or minuses of intel. The problems with the system are well documented. Personally I think it's part of the game. But as Nodachi says if you don't like it you can try to get some agreement from you opponent not to use it. If you can't though I don't forsee removing intel from by default. So if you are going to be part of KOTH it's something that might come up from time to time. It's all part of being a well rounded galactic Emperor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Geoschmo

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well... since you have asked...
I think we have met on turn 14 or so, with good opportunity for us to expand. It is quite obvious that we started on opposite sides of the quadrant. We have met roughly in the middle and established 3 choke points. I think I have managed to procure more systems, but that does not really mean much.
By the way, Geo, I think I like this map a bit better... sure is different.

It is now turn 27 and we will see some fleet bashing very soon... Looks like Preacherman is putting some of his buildup to use.

Darn, this one is tense.

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Ok, some update of the KOTH game Dreiko vs. sparhawk.
After some Last battles dreiko gave up. and declared me winner of the game.

It was really a good game and I probaly because, I was mining every system that I crossed with my ships.
But I'm ready to go to war ones again.

Sparhawk

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I just knew you were going to say that, and it doesn't help any.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Darn, I was trying to be helpful. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif