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David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 03:44 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Baron Grazic:
David Gervais, do you want to remeind me what the list of all your Avatars are?
Perhaps you should add it in your signiture.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yes indeed, that's a very good idea!

Thanks. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic December 16th, 2002 03:49 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
That's a lot more than the Last time I looked.
Perhaps I'll find one that I like that isn't already being used.
Thanks and keep you the nice job.

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 03:56 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Baron Grazic, if you don't find one you like, don't be shy, just post a request here. I can also make modifications to any of the existing ones!

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Baron Grazic December 16th, 2002 04:23 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
If I work out what I want, I'll let you know.
But don't wait for me, cause it could take a while. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo December 16th, 2002 04:25 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Heh, I just got to thinking on the Emporium, maybe I should go through and add the names to the ones that are being used. So that when you mouseover the image you get the user name instead of "-". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Suicide Junkie December 16th, 2002 04:28 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by David Gervais:
SJ, can you save me a bit of research? What are the sizes (WxH) for the minis and portraits of the planets? Once I know I'll make the necessary adjustments!

Thanks in advance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Surprisingly I don't know offhand either.
Some quick pixel counting gives: 128x128 portrait and 36x36 mini

Shadow Master December 16th, 2002 04:29 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Allmost got a piliminary avatar, does anyone know of a site where I can place it?

tesco samoa December 16th, 2002 05:44 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Best be leaving Minsc alone or Boo will go for your eyes.

Chronon December 16th, 2002 06:26 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
David, excellent work on all the new avatars! They are, indeed, the best avatars I've seen on any forum. I noticed in the "How to Catch a Lurker" thread you are asking for more requests, so I couldn't resist. If you have time, would you make one for me?

A 'chronon' is a very small unit of time. I have no idea how you might do this, but something evocative of the space-time continuum would be very cool. Alternatively, I was thinking of one of those suns with the face in it from the Renaissance period, or something else reminiscent of the history of science (the one I'm using now is a stock avatar of Descartes). Thanks!

Suicide Junkie December 16th, 2002 06:37 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Allmost got a piliminary avatar, does anyone know of a site where I can place it?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You can upload it to the SE4 Data/Sound/Graphic upload thread.

Instar December 16th, 2002 06:54 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Go for the eye boo, for the eye! squeeeak!

Daynarr December 16th, 2002 09:09 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Chronon:
David, excellent work on all the new avatars! They are, indeed, the best avatars I've seen on any forum. I noticed in the "How to Catch a Lurker" thread you are asking for more requests, so I couldn't resist. If you have time, would you make one for me?

A 'chronon' is a very small unit of time. I have no idea how you might do this, but something evocative of the space-time continuum would be very cool. Alternatively, I was thinking of one of those suns with the face in it from the Renaissance period, or something else reminiscent of the history of science (the one I'm using now is a stock avatar of Descartes). Thanks!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe a clock will do. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Daynarr December 16th, 2002 09:12 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Instar:
Go for the eye boo, for the eye! squeeeak!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Its "Go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes! Raaaaaaaaaargh!"

Minsc doesnt squeak. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ruatha December 16th, 2002 09:33 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by David Gervais:
Ruatha,.. partly because you made the request and partly because your current 'custom' Avatar might be mistaken for one of my 'generic' animal avatars,.. I created this new Avatar for you. One thing is for sure, there will be no mistaking this one with any of the 'generic' ones. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1039998137.gif

I think he looks 'cuddly' don't you? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif I hope you like it. Cheers!

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, I'll alternate between them!

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 12:57 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Heh, I just got to thinking on the Emporium, maybe I should go through and add the names to the ones that are being used. So that when you mouseover the image you get the user name instead of "-". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That would be cool, and/or you could place them in a separate batch so that the masses will know which ones are 'reserved' and which are available for 'adoption' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Cheers!

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 03:10 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
..and you all thought I would 'actually' take the weekend off, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ..

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 03:11 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
...coy coy coy, Yup That's me in a nutshell!..

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 03:13 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
..so, was this avalanch a surprise? hmmm?..

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040043274.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040043286.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040043300.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040043313.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040043330.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040043110.gif

..I'm having fun fun fun, in the avatar forum,. Waoooooo, waoooo oooo oooo oooo oo oo.. Now I got a beach-boy tune in my head! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Cheers!

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 03:40 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mottlee:
D.G. I'm trying to use some that you have made but can not get to the page to do so
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, let's see if I can spell this out for you, follow these steps..

1)Find the link to the avatar pic you want. (It should be somewhere in this thread and look like 1040043110.gif and be above a set of pics.) Note the pics are always in the same order as the links!

2)Click on the link. (It should open up a new window with just the pic in the upper left.)

3)Click in the 'Address' window at the top of page. (The address htpp... should now be highlighted in blue.)

4)Press Ctrl-c to copy the address to memory.

5)Close the window.

6)In the Intel Forums window, there is a link to "My Profile" in the top right beside the Intel Forums Bullet pic.. Click on 'My Profile' to go to the profile page.

7)On the 'Profile' page at the top is a bold text link called View/Update Profile Click on it.

8)A new window will open and at the bottom right is another link (beside your current avatar pic) called 'Select a different Avatar Image'. Click on this link.

9)Another window will open and at the bottom is white text box called 'Use Custom URL' Click your mouse in the white area and (if there is a url there delete it!) Press Ctrl-v to paste your 'custom' url (Captured in step 4)

10) Click on the 'Set URL' button beside the little white window.

11) Click on the "Select this Avatar" button in the top left of the window.

12) Close this window.

13) you should be back in your 'Profile' window. Now scroll to the bottom and click on 'Update Profile"

14)That's it, you should now have a new Avatar pic in place.

If after following these instructions you still are unable to 'set' the new Avatar pic, then I'm at a loss.

I really hope this helps, Cheers!

[ December 16, 2002, 13:40: Message edited by: David Gervais ]

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 04:42 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Att: Geoschmo,

This time I saved all the links as I uploaded them. So if you would like me to send you another 'timesaver' just let me know!

Cheers!

geoschmo December 16th, 2002 04:56 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
David, I can cull it from the thread here, but if you are compiling it as you go just shoot me an email every time you have a batch you want posted to the emporium. It will save me some time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Geoschmo

mottlee December 16th, 2002 05:02 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Thanks, got it now (duh...I'm going back to bed)

Chronon December 16th, 2002 05:26 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
David, great avatar! Salvador Dali would be proud. I like the hourglass in the lower left-hand corner, too, it's a nice touch. Thanks so much for taking the time to create it for me. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 05:42 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Mottlee, the avatar pic you have choosen was made for someone with a bit higher rank than you. I don't want you to get in trouble for impersonating an officer so I created this unique one for you!

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040053192.gif

I hope you like it! Cheers!

mottlee December 16th, 2002 06:11 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Well was still "Officer" altho not that high yet

OOps BTW Thanks http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ December 16, 2002, 16:13: Message edited by: mottlee ]

Ragnarok December 16th, 2002 07:23 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Mottlee, that avatar is friggin awesome. Love it man.
David, good job with Mottlee's avatar. Very cool looking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 08:15 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by geoschmo:
Heh, I just got to thinking on the Emporium, maybe I should go through and add the names to the ones that are being used. So that when you mouseover the image you get the user name instead of "-". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Geo, I just had another idea myself,.. Why don't you just number the avatars 001, 002, 003,..298.. and then at the end of the file you could just add the name and # in list format. It would also be handy if someone wanted to 'refer' to an avatar like "Hey dude, #176 is awesome, can you add a bikini?" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Also, once they are numbered, you could maybe pluck out the redundant duplicates that went through several 'adjustments' like yours, SJ's, dogscoff's etc.

Just a thought, Cheers!

mottlee December 16th, 2002 08:37 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
Mottlee, that avatar is friggin awesome. Love it man.
David, good job with Mottlee's avatar. Very cool looking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks and Yes David out did him self http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (wish I knew how http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 09:55 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Another few misc,..

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040068102.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040068115.gif
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David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 09:56 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
..and two more..

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David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 10:05 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mottlee:
Thanks and Yes David out did him self http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (wish I knew how http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You do realise that many of these avatars are captured images from the net. (cropped, resized. rotated, flipped, colored, polished and otherwise 'treated' to fit the avatar specifications!)

Your's was easy, resize, mount in frame and add a highlight.

I'm not suffering from delusions of grandure, I'm just a little obsessive in the volume of avatars that I'm doing! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Cheers!

Daynarr December 16th, 2002 10:07 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Cylons, yipieeeeee. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 10:14 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Well, this is my 399th post, so my next one will see me promoted. (and I'll be allowed into the 'officer's club') http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Here's a question that begs for a little feedback.. Who's request (for a new or alternate avatar) will I include in my 400th post?

Cheers!

David E. Gervais December 16th, 2002 11:15 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
This is wierd, I made my 400th post in another thread but in here I'm still at 399??? Wa?

Oh well, here is my 400th post once again..

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..and I decided to post my new mugshot as the 400th or is that 401? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ December 16, 2002, 21:17: Message edited by: David Gervais ]

DirectorTsaarx December 17th, 2002 12:11 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
I think I'm one of the Last holdouts; I was trying to decide what it is I'm looking for. I've always named my empire (in SE4) the "Moebius Consortium", because I'm a mathematician at heart (engineer by training) and because I like the idea of running my empire like a "consortium of small businessmen" (said in a "Godfather"/"Goodfellas" kind of voice). Of course, I've also always taken the temporal trait for my SE4 empire (which is why I'm using the hourglass now - the only decent-looking time-related "stock" avatar I could find).

So, if you can relate those three things, that would be great. I'll settle for two out of three, though...

Oh - the name Tsaarx came from a half-elf character way back in my D&D days. In case that can be worked in as well...

Boy, I don't ask for much, do I? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:07 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Chronon,.. like the sands in the hourglass, time would quickly loose shape without the chronon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040040243.gif

I hope you like it! Cheers!

David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:08 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DirectorTsaarx:
...So, if you can relate those three things, that would be great. I'll settle for two out of three, though...

Oh - the name Tsaarx came from a half-elf character way back in my D&D days. In case that can be worked in as well...

Boy, I don't ask for much, do I? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tsaarx,.. how about an Elven Gangster overlooking his consortium from a rooftop with a 'Pi' symbol instead of a rank insignia.

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/newup...1040083170.gif

Cheers!

mottlee December 17th, 2002 02:16 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Gandalph:
Lastly, you have to push the "Update Profile" button.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Forgot one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well I've done this and when I try to put in the url it goes in but thats it nothing...sorry about that any thing else come to mind?

David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:21 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
motlee, is the pic a .bmp? If so, they don't work, it will just reset to your old one. You must convert the pic to a .gif or .jpg! THen it should work fine.

Cheers!

David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:26 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Gooooood morning fellow Avatar junkies.. I'll kick off this monday with a full set of Battleships..

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David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:28 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Battleships Cont'd..

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David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:30 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Battleships Cont'd..

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David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:33 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Battleships Cont'd..

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..could I possibly have more avatars? hmmm,.. let me check.. BRB.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:46 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
..well well well, what do you know, I found a few misc pics..

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David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:47 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
..I'm so sly,..

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David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 02:47 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
..3x4 = an avatar's dozen!..

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mottlee December 17th, 2002 02:50 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
D.G. I'm trying to use some that you have made but can not get to the page to do so

Desdinova December 17th, 2002 02:50 AM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Twiki! David you are incredible. one of these days i will find one i want and send it to you for your expert work.

David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 01:02 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Is this really the 'Best', 'most handsom', emperor in the SE:4 universe?.. Maybe, but until now he's been a bit of a recluse! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Cheers!

P.S. Wow, this is the first time that I log on in the morning and there are no new Posts in this thread. I guess, my 15 minutes of fame in this forum are comming to an end!
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David E. Gervais December 17th, 2002 01:14 PM

Re: OT: The House of 1001+ Avatars
 
Btw: I posted my 'planets' in the Data/Graphics/Sound' thread up there in the Scenario/Mod Forum.

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