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Atrocities January 13th, 2007 09:06 PM

OT: Odd system folders!
 
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My PC has been running slow as of late, no viruses or spy ware could be found. However today I found a few new files on my C-Drive. Can any one tell me what they are?

I googled msxml4-KB927978-enu and it came back as something to do with MS update. I opened the file and its filled with line after line of code.

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=== Verbose logging started: 1/10/2007 14:13:59 Build type: SHIP UNICODE 3.01.4000.2435 Calling process: C:\WINDOWS\system32\msiexec.exe ===
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:13:59:703]: Resetting cached policy values
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:13:59:703]: Machine policy value 'Debug' is 0
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:13:59:703]: ******* RunEngine:
******* Product: c:\1b1437b60fa92dc53ba15894\msxml.msi
******* Action:
******* CommandLine: **********
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:13:59:703]: Client-side and UI is none or basic: Running entire install on the server.
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:13:59:703]: Grabbed execution mutex.
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:14:00:703]: Cloaking enabled.
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:14:00:703]: Attempting to enable all disabled priveleges before calling Install on Server
MSI (c) (E4:58) [14:14:00:703]: Incrementing counter to disable shutdown. Counter after increment: 0
MSI (s) (E4:48) [14:14:00:750]: Grabbed execution mutex.
MSI (s) (E4:AC) [14:14:00:750]: Resetting cached policy values
MSI (s) (E4:AC) [14:14:00:750]: Machine policy value 'Debug' is 0
MSI (s) (E4:AC) [14:14:00:750]: ******* RunEngine:
******* Product: c:\1b1437b60fa92dc53ba15894\msxml.msi



Azselendor January 13th, 2007 10:31 PM

Re: OT: Odd system folders!
 
It's crap left behind by the installs or upgrade of software. I found several of them after upgrading to IE7. I deleted them without any problem.

When my computer runs slow, I reference a guide on google I found, Optmize windows xp

And I also open up my computer and clean out the dust bunnies from everything.

Atrocities January 14th, 2007 12:38 AM

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This latest update keeps causing my modem to lock up. I have to reboot every so often now just to be able to access the web. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif God I hate MS at times.

Thanks for the tips Azselendor, I went ahead and removed them. I will also check out the site you linked too as well.

Atrocities January 14th, 2007 01:02 AM

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This is what they say at the bottom of the page about FireFox.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Fire Fox Myths

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Firefox Myths - Firefox
Firefox is not being recommended here for many reasons. Some of those reasons are that it is slower than Internet Explorer, insecure and not completely compatible with 10-15% of all web sites. Get the facts.


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Myth - "Firefox is Secure" - Example

Reality - Firefox is anything but Secure with multiple unpatched vulnerabilities allowing exposure of sensitive data to local users. You only need one vulnerability to be insecure. Since Firefox v1.x was released, users have been exposed to over 135 security vulnerabilities and counting.



Baron Munchausen January 14th, 2007 02:56 AM

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What a joke! No computer program more complicated than 'Hello world!' is completely secure. The point is that Firefox is vastly more secure (or less insecure if you want to put it that way) than Internet Explorer, which still has more unintended vulnerabilites (i.e. 'bugs') than Firefox and also intended vulnerabilities like 'Active-X' and god-knows-what-else that Microsoft thought would be 'kewl' to have but wasn't intended to be used on anything but closed Local Area Networks within corporations. When they had to play 'catchup' with everyone else and put Windows online, they didn't bother revamping the security. Only with Windows NT did they finally start to think about security.

Azselendor January 14th, 2007 03:54 AM

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It's the only part of this guy's thing I disagree with. FireFox is vastly superior to IE.

Besides, last time I checked, Mozilla wasn't coding backdoor programs into our computer programs for the NSA -- like Microsoft does!

Atrocities January 14th, 2007 04:43 AM

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Part of MS agreement with the US Government to avoid monopoly break up was the "secret" incorporation of back door access that only the US Government can utilize. I.E. they get a computer that is encrypted or protected and MS will break into if for them, or give them the tools and training to do it. The FBI has special tools that allow them to remotely access any computer on any network that is running any Microsoft OS product, such as XP. And now that the US Government is moving toward a "centralized" email hub shadow network, even our emails will not be safe from investigation. (this goes beyond what the NSA, and others now have.)

Also many people don't realize that their printers, Digital cameras, DV Cameras, and even your CD burner all encode the products they produce. Your printer prints all information about itself, and your PC on each and every peace of paper printed. The META data in Digital images gives all information about the camera and its settings at the time the image was taken. Your CD burner burns its serial number, and your PC information onto each disk you create.

They say this is to help prevent and reduce counterfeiting of money, movies, music, and documents, but it what it really is all about, is knowing who is doing what, when, and where.

I believe that we live in a free society about as much as I believe that IE is a better product than FF.

Phoenix-D January 14th, 2007 05:21 AM

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"Special tools" my ***. $10 gets you $0.01 that's been cracked by now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

AT, something about emails you should know: emails are about as secure as a postcard. They can potentially be read at any stop along the way, and there are usually dozens of stops.

That said, any attempt to isolate every email would die on the vine simply from the insane number of the things that gets sent every day.

Fyron January 14th, 2007 05:54 AM

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Atrocities said:
Your printer prints all information about itself, and your PC on each and every peace of paper printed.


bull. Your printer can print a diagnostic sheet with some info about itself, sure. But that is purely for your use in trouble-shooting. No consumer-level printer can possibly print secret information on every page, either with some sort of "invisible ink" or at tiny, tiny resolution such that you can't see it with the unaided eye. That would require massive engineering costs, making them impossible to sell in the low hundreds of dollars range.

The META data in Digital images gives all information about the camera and its settings at the time the image was taken.

Yes, it's called EXIF data. There is nothing unusual or scary about that, in any way. It is there to provide you, the photographer, with extra information about your photos. The entire process was designed and implemented openly, at consumer (mostly professional level, but still consumers) request. Maybe you should look up just what EXIF data is...

Your CD burner burns its serial number, and your PC information onto each disk you create.

I'd have to call bull again. MAYBE a drive serial number, but even that is unlikely. If drive manufacturers were to attempt this (or be forced by the government), there would be privacy related lawsuits about it. The ALCU, for one, would be all over it.

Atrocities January 14th, 2007 06:20 AM

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Imperator Fyron said:
Atrocities said:
Your printer prints all information about itself, and your PC on each and every peace of paper printed.


bull. Your printer can print a diagnostic sheet with some info about itself, sure. But that is purely for your use in trouble-shooting. No consumer-level printer can possibly print secret information on every page, either with some sort of "invisible ink" or at tiny, tiny resolution such that you can't see it with the unaided eye. That would require massive engineering costs, making them impossible to sell in the low hundreds of dollars range.

Your CD burner burns its serial number, and your PC information onto each disk you create.

I'd have to call bull again. MAYBE a drive serial number, but even that is unlikely. If drive manufacturers were to attempt this (or be forced by the government), there would be privacy related lawsuits about it. The ALCU, for one, would be all over it.

These are not "bull" as you so gently put it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif In fact they are quite real. Your printer does indeed print information about itself and your PC on each page in the form of little yellow dots Here Is A Link. The Secret Service use special methods to view and read the dots. This was shown on a Discovery Channel show. Sorry don't recall the name of the program but I believe it was Secrets of the Secret Service or something like that. In fact all of the things I mentioned were shown on that show. Your CD burner does encode information about itself and your PC on EVERY DISK you burn.

As to the information contained in digital images, like you said this is nothing new. However, many people do not know about it. For Digital Video, every frame of video shot, 30 fps, it is time coded, and the image you see is actually smaller than what is really recorded. Most people don't know about this as it is really unimportant. However, if your on a tight shot of some person reading a statement, and all you see is their face, the FBI will see another 6 to 12 inches around them, and that could reveal a gun to the person head, or someone or something in the back ground that they can use. Also the camera records its serial number along with the time coding on to each frame of video.

Most people didn't believe that they could be tracked by using their cell phones five years ago. I recall someone telling me that I was full of "bull" back then.


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