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kingdom July 16th, 2002 04:09 AM

stellar manipulation question
 
in a game now.....

If i use my ship to create a storm will the storm wipe out the opponent or will it just give me astorm to hide in?

Ragnarok July 16th, 2002 04:15 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
Quote:

Originally posted by kingdom:
in a game now.....

If i use my ship to create a storm will the storm wipe out the opponent or will it just give me astorm to hide in?

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, storms don't destroy your enemy. It's possible if they can't take much damage. When you create a storm you get either a storm that can hide you, or a storm that causes damage. It's all random. So it will either give ya a good one to hide in or one that will damage you if you pass through it. So it can't destroy your opponent.

kingdom July 16th, 2002 04:17 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
What.. the storm just sits there and doesn't move? That's stupid.

DavidG July 16th, 2002 04:35 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
Yup pretty much.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Ragnarok July 16th, 2002 04:58 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
Quote:

Originally posted by kingdom:
What.. the storm just sits there and doesn't move? That's stupid.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, that is stupid. That's one of the features that we'd all like to see in SEV. Storms that move and can damage ships by turn, not ones that just sit there. But who knows if MM will add it to SEV.

Krsqk July 16th, 2002 05:13 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
One other use is creating storms on warp points. If they're damaging, they work like unsweepable minefields--minefields which damage every ship coming through. If the storm is cloaking, it serves to hide any WP defenses you have set up (only useful wiht far-side WP defense).

Ed Kolis July 17th, 2002 12:24 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
But if it hides your defenses then the enemy can pass right through them!

And yes, damaging storms are pretty stupid as they are easily avoided - it doesn't even take any extra movement points to go diagonally around them! Now a whole WALL of storms, or storms on a warp-point...

Krsqk July 17th, 2002 12:30 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
"But if it hides your defenses then the enemy can pass right through them!"

Cloaked ships will still attack any ships they can detect. That means they need a sensor level equal to or higher than the cloak level of the storm they're in. Without sensors, though, they can't detect enemy ships moving into (or past) the storm.

geoschmo July 17th, 2002 01:40 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Krsqk:
Cloaked ships will still attack any ships they can detect. That means they need a sensor level equal to or higher than the cloak level of the storm they're in. Without sensors, though, they can't detect enemy ships moving into (or past) the storm.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, and yes. Yes for a storm, but no for a regular cloaked ship with stealth armor or a cloaking device.

If two ships are in a storm and one has sensors cabale of defeating the storm, it can attack the ship that does not. In fact it cannot avoid attacking the ship if they are in the same sector. I had an unarmed sensor ship get killed in a nebula this way once. He couldn't see me but he got lucky and moved into the same sector as my ship. My ship "attacked", but since it had no weapons and his did, and once in combat he could see me, well... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

But if your ship has a cloaking device or stealth armor you can be in the same sector with an enemy and will not, in fact CANNOT attack unless you decloak first.

Geoschmo

PvK July 17th, 2002 03:14 AM

Re: stellar manipulation question
 
... unless you have some other uncloaked unit/ship/colony in the same location as your cloaked units/ships/colonies... in that case, the combat will involve all of your forces, cloaked and uncloaked.

PvK


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