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"max . event severity" - does it work ??

As we all know, SEIV lets you restrict the severity of the random events. For example, if you don't want stars to be destroyed, set "max. severity" to High and Catastrophic events won't happen. Or so I thought. In my Last game one AI home system was destroyed, but I swear I set up the game with max. severity High !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif !!
(it was earlier game and nobody had StarDestroers either)

Is it possible to check what was the setup of the game ???

It is AIC game, but events.txt file lists "star-destroyed" as catastrophic event, just like plain SE.

Did anybody observe the supposedly "impossible" random events or am I hallucinating ?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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!!! Another SE bug/feature - important for all SE modders !!!

Simple experiment - I edited events.txt file for unmoded SE. It now contains just two events. One is "high". Another is "catastrophic". Events 1 preceeds Event 2 in the file. I start the test game with max. severity High. All is well, only event 1 happens

Now, I exchange event 1 and event 2 - Now the catastrophic event is listed first in the file.

I start new game with max. severity High and, lo and behold - CATASTROPHIC event happens !!
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Conclusion - Events MUST go in ecsending order. If "lesser" event is in the file behing "higher" event, it will overwrite the severity of the later !!

All moded events.txt need very close inspection.

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Hmm, that IS significant.

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ok, that's a bad joke.

*wacks Jimbob with a hammer*

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That was a bad joke, I'm surprised you didn't right it Narf http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I have better taste!!

well, uh, most of the time.

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Does the mouse prefer mozzarella or sharp cheddar?

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As long as you don't give him a cookie, you should be okay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 23, 2003, 03:20: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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COOKIE?
CHEESE COOKIE!

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Come on narf, you of all people should know what happens If You Give a Mouse a Cookie http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 23, 2003, 06:08: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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i can take a little suger! now, gimme!

never read that book. of course, i'm a little old for it now...

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Longterm observations about 1.5 (realtime) years ago:

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- galactic peace within the first 2 years, means no events from 2400.0 until 2401.9, never.
- the master planet is NEVER affected by high and catastrophic events, just by low and medium events
Definition "master planet": The planet that is selected at game start, first cursor, means in a one homeplanet game this would be the homeplanet. In a 10 planets game, the master planet would be immune from high/catastrophic events, the other 9 could be affected, this goes along also with system events, like star explosions.

Has it changed or was it a setup with more than one homeplanet distributed over several systems?

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Umm... I have seen HWs be blown up by both planet and star destroying events, in both Gold and pre-Gold.

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Yeah. Home system and HWs can be targeted by star desroyed/planet destroyed events EXACTLY like any other colony.

This is a huge problem in Proportions/AIC mods, where "low" events have been incerted below "catastrophic" events. Basically, it makes star blowup as common as "ship lost supplies". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I edited events.txt files to rectify this problem but can not upload them now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Originally posted by oleg:
I edited events.txt files to rectify this problem but can not upload them now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Check out the note at the top of the New Scenerio/Mod Forum (not a post, part of the board) - You can't upload in quite the way you are used to, but you should be able to upload.

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Umm... I have seen HWs be blown up by both planet and star destroying events, in both Gold and pre-Gold.

I don't. With multiple HW starts yes, but there was always one planet (master) never affected by high/catastrophic events. I checked this with a modded event.txt, just the 4 severities with a text popup for the severity which has taken place. Some thousand turns later, almost everything but the master HP has blown up.

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Ok... I have seen HWs blow up when it was a one planet start...

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I had the same incident (catastrophic event in a max. high game) a little while ago, but mine dealt with the "planet destroyed w/o warning" event. I am using the expanded Dracus' expanded Events.txt file. I had just figured the it was a momentary glitch and not a bug...

I am going to reorder the events in the file (low -> catastrophic) and I'll post if it happens again, but hopefully not...that was my homeworld... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

(edit: I really need to finish reading a thread before replying http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif )

[ August 26, 2003, 17:28: Message edited by: Xaren Hypr ]

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Ok, here is rearranged events.txt file for AIC:
1062224182.txt

and here is one for Proportions:
1062224304.txt

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Originally posted by oleg:
Yeah. Home system and HWs can be targeted by star desroyed/planet destroyed events EXACTLY like any other colony.

This is a huge problem in Proportions/AIC mods, where "low" events have been incerted below "catastrophic" events. Basically, it makes star blowup as common as "ship lost supplies". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I edited events.txt files to rectify this problem but can not upload them now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

�This is a huge problem in Proportions/AIC mods:�

Oleg, we have not seen this to be a huge problem or even a problem. There are thousands of hours played and I have never lost a Home System or Home World or seen this to be a major problem and is very rare for any one AI Players Home System to be effected repeatedly.

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Oleg, I noticed that MM has not organized the Original file in the way you described and end the se4 default file with only a HIGH event, and this follows the Catastrophic events.

The way the AIC file is set up, is that it is random intentionally, and also has redundant aspects added to increase the odds for that event:

For example: Planet Population Increase events that is beneficial for the players.

Increased WARP POINT CHANGE events, those usually add an additional challenge for the Human Player.

Also as can be seen in the AIC file. By adding to the levels of redundant events in AIC, it will lessen the chance of losing a planet or system , would you not agree ?

With this said, your revised AIC and Proportions Events file although the original data is unchanged, your structure is neat and organized but I am pretty sure it will be as random as the original supplied AIC Version.

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Please, if any player has experienced a loss in the Home System thru a Random Event, please send the unmodified AIC or Proportions SAVES, to the respective Designers (Pete or myself).

Thanks John�
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[ August 30, 2003, 17:43: Message edited by: JLS ]

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Originally posted by JLS:
..Oleg, we have not seen this to be a huge problem or even a problem. There are thousands of hours played and I have never lost a Home System or Home World or seen this to be a major problem and is very rare for any one AI Players Home System to be effected repeatedly.

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Oleg, I noticed that MM has not organized the Original file in the way you described and end the se4 default file with only a HIGH event, and this follows the Catastrophic events.

The way the AIC file is set up, is that it is random intentionally, and also has redundant aspects added to increase the odds for that event:

For example: Planet Population Increase events that is beneficial for the players.

Increased WARP POINT CHANGE events, those usually add an additional challenge for the Human Player.

Also as can be seen in the AIC file. By adding to the levels of redundant events in AIC, it will lessen the chance of losing a planet or system , would you not agree ?

With this said, your revised AIC and Proportions Events file although the original data is unchanged, your structure is neat and organized but I am pretty sure it will be as random as the original supplied AIC Version.

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Please, if any player has experienced a loss in the Home System thru a Random Event, please send the unmodified AIC or Proportions SAVES, to the respective Designers (Pete or myself).

Thanks John…
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I never lost my system, but I saw it happens severa times to AI players. It is very togh to nail. But I'm absolutely sure I'm right.
Try this - use default AIC' events file, edit settings.txt to increase events chance by say 100 times and start a game with "medium" events. Very soon - I guarantee it !! You will see high or catastrophic event. Trust me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Originally posted by oleg:

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I never lost my system, but I saw it happens severa times to AI players. It is very togh to nail. But I'm absolutely sure I'm right.
Try this - use default AIC' events file, edit settings.txt to increase events chance by say 100 times and start a game with "medium" events. Very soon - I guarantee it !! You will see high or catastrophic event. Trust me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

You are saying Oleg, you have never lost a Home SYSTEM or Planet yourself as the Human Player;
your concern is that the AI lost its System or Planet�

OK, just a few questions.

The ((( AI ))) Race that lost its system/planet it was at war with a AIC Engineering or Science race? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ August 30, 2003, 20:42: Message edited by: JLS ]

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John, please ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Purge your events.txt file of ALL events except two. One is "low" (just an example) another "catastrophic". Arrange the file that "cat." goes first. Edit settings.txt so events freuency is really high - just to save time. Start a new game with max.events severity "low". Report your results. I GUARANTEE you will see catastrophic event. Moreover, it will have the relative frequency equal to "low" event. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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Oleg, clearly if I change the default Settings Data File from:

Event Percent Chance Low := 10%
Event Percent Chance Medium := 20%
Event Percent Chance High := 40%

All too 100%, this will clearly increase and bastardize the Event results ten fold for all the tiered categories and will not prove the result you are attempting to present.

Proof is in the game, as WE both just stated loosing a Home World or Planet to a random event in AIC HAS NOT happened to you or I, ever. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Do you think the AI Players interprets or is some how effected differently then a Human Player would be.
All players, Human or AI Subscribe to the same Events File, Oleg http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

In regards to the AI you also stated you are not able to put a finger on it and without your SAVE GAME http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif it is now up for speculation.
It just as well could have been a Planet or System destruction devise researched and assembled by an AIC Science or Engineering race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Sure you may release the file for AIC, if it has the core programming that I invested in it, however with just reorganizing the order I see no problem, but then again we did not see or have had any reports there was a problem to begin with. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

[ August 30, 2003, 21:20: Message edited by: JLS ]

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"Event Percent Chance Low := 10%
Event Percent Chance Medium := 20%
Event Percent Chance High := 40%

All too 100%, this will clearly increase and bastardize the Event results ten fold for all the tiered categories and will not prove the result you are attempting to present."

It will prove his point. If you turn Catastrophic events off, they should NEVER occur, even with event frequency set to 100%. These settings, by the way, refer to the chance settings in the game setup, not to the severity of the event itself.

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Originally posted by Phoenix-D:
"Event Percent Chance Low := 10%
Event Percent Chance Medium := 20%
Event Percent Chance High := 40%

All too 100%, this will clearly increase and bastardize the Event results ten fold for all the tiered categories and will not prove the result you are attempting to present."

It will prove his point. If you turn Catastrophic events off, they should NEVER occur, even with event frequency set to 100%. These settings, by the way, refer to the chance settings in the game setup, not to the severity of the event itself.

aggreed

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I added to edit:

Proof is in the game, as WE both just stated loosing a Home World or Planet to a random event in AIC HAS NOT happened to you or I, ever. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Do you think the AI Players interprets or is some how effected differently then a Human Player would be.
All players, Human or AI Subscribe to the same Events File, Oleg http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Also Oleg, do you feel Aaron was in error with the default se4 Events File by not having it in the order by having a high follow a catastrophic event as I did?

[ August 30, 2003, 21:36: Message edited by: JLS ]

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Originally posted by Xaren Hypr:
I had the same incident (catastrophic event in a max. high game) a little while ago, but mine dealt with the "planet destroyed w/o warning" event. I am using the expanded Dracus' expanded Events.txt file. I had just figured the it was a momentary glitch and not a bug...

I am going to reorder the events in the file (low -> catastrophic) and I'll post if it happens again, but hopefully not...that was my homeworld... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

(edit: I really need to finish reading a thread before replying http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif )

XH

I would be very interested in your results, please let us know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Oleg, I look forward to testing your file this month and thank you for reorganizing the AIC events file http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
As long as the KEY event percentages do not change then sure, it is a go.

As always I enjoy our discussions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

John

[ August 30, 2003, 22:15: Message edited by: JLS ]

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HW or Home system destruction aside - I'll do more checks later - the presence of "low" events behind "medium", "high" or "catas." events turns them all to "low". That's my numeorous (by now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) tests prove. I'm dead certain about it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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All right, I started plain SEIV game except only catastrophic events are in events.txt file. There are only me (EDF- Atrocities' race http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) and one neutral. I pressed F12 untill got this :

1062288468.zip

Now imagine it happens while you are playing proportion's game with "catastr." events assigned the status "low"
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JLS is back! So how about those Adamant AIs? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
JLS is back! So how about those Adamant AIs? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Hi Fyron.

Employment has been all absorbing (Employment is so overrated http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . As promised, I will put 100% into it as soon as the Air Conditioning season slows, AIC is in most aspects now finished, later this month looks good for Adamant�

I have been downloading your updates and I look forward to getting on board with Adamant and posting within the Adamant thread itself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif There is another new update. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

So about the events, I should probably reorder the ones in Adamant, but there are just so many of them... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ September 01, 2003, 08:04: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
So about the events, I should probably reorder the ones in Adamant, but there are just so many of them...

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This is the question of the day�

At first glance to Olegs Posts, with no offense to Oleg, this sounded like a US Pharmaceutical add.
First, we make chemical mixture then we make up a disease and now we have a market for this new cure.
However, the side effects reported for this Toe Nail fungus cure have been reported to be:
Stomach Cramps, Kidney failure, Impotence even death although rare.

Above is based on the Doom day Posts below:

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Originally posted by oleg:
Yeah. Home system and HWs can be targeted by star desroyed/planet destroyed events EXACTLY like any other colony.
As we all know, SEIV lets you restrict the severity of the random events. For example, if you don't want stars to be destroyed, set "max. severity" to High and Catastrophic events won't happen. Or so I thought. In my Last game one AI home system was destroyed, but I swear I set up the game with max. severity High !! !!
(it was earlier game and nobody had StarDestroers either)
Is it possible to check what was the setup of the game ???
It is AIC game, but events.txt file lists "star-destroyed" as catastrophic event, just like plain SE.
Did anybody observe the supposedly "impossible" random events or am I hallucinating ??

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"""This is a huge problem in Proportions/AIC mods, where "low" events have been incerted below "catastrophic" events. Basically, it makes star blowup as common as "ship lost supplies""".

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Exaggerated enactment:

When you use this new and improved file, your actual Random Events Percenatages will be altered in the nature of (of) (of) ?

However, the in-use side effects:
May cause drowsiness, Boredom, Game Lock ups there has been rare reports of smoke exiting your CPU but this is a truly rare event and trust me, the gain absolutely out ways the effects; guaranteed .

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With all kidding aside, what is the end result? Oleg bills the current Event files flawed for all are MODS as well as the default se4 file.
This new and MOD saving File should be tested first and then released to be sure the respective Mod will have the Random event percentages and effects that the designer desired and without the unworthy sales redirect if possible.

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Oleg concerns may have merit as defined by Phoenix-D, in regards to; if you want to set MAX EVENT SEVERITY at the onset of a new game whether it be None, low, med, high and Catastrophic will function properly if our data is in the order Olegs specifies.

However, even if the order is regimented from low to Catastrophic, has this been tested to ensure that the integrity of the MAX EVENT SEVERITY slider is still with proper function?
Or is all for not!

Now with this said, we have many of thousands of hours of game play and testing and the patrons of our mods have not reported any events to be problematic or repeataitve to any extream.

Actually, just the opposite, the Players preferred more WARP POINT OCCURENCES and neat stuff of the kind, that will stop you in your tracks and make you think and react to ever fluent and evolving situations; within their controlled realm.

FOR EXAMPLE: If I may, I would like to counter Olegs recent above Dooms Day Posts with regards to desighned random events and other preprogrammed opportunities for our MOD Players.

Olegs past excerpts.

I took the liberty of a few bold highlights, this is a reminder how much fun random events and Preprogrammed opportunities can enhance your game and why the thousands of hours of programming, game play and testing are rewarded by the enjoyment of our patrons, it certainly was not the pay.

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~ With much pride I present ~

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Originally posted by oleg:

I think this is going to be my most interesting and engrossing SE game ever !

Anyway, this is a solo AIC game. AI has low bonus. My race is Atrocity' Pandorian with Temporal trait.
Our home system is good, with a promising planet just few kilometers away

1054972329.jpg

But best is yet to come. The only warp point leads to the Centurian system with Rock Oxygen planet !
Is it our ancestars homeworld ? (just check Pandorians history..)

1054972442.jpg

The scout goes to the next system. And what do we see ? Another Centurian system !! CO2 planet though.

1054972559.jpg

We keep exploring. First contact in the system connected to second Centurian.

1054972730.jpg

Jraenar homeworld is nearby. This month the first colony ship is constructed back home.
Should I colonize a planet in the home system ? Should I send it to the closest Centarian, learn
Secrets of Ancients and claim our birthgiven home ? Or should I send it far, to the
second Centarian, in the doomed expedition with the sole purpose to deny Jraenar the
spoils of Centarian ? They will certainly try to colonise it soon.
This game looks to become a very good role gaame.

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Originally posted by oleg:

But the plot thickens. After a long deliberation I decided to be prudent and colonize the home system planet first. i was damn right ! remember the small greeny unexplored warmhole in the first Centarian system ? Our second scout warp it and was splashed with alien blood ! It is a battlefield between X'Chung and Praetorians :

1054982381.jpg

Forget about the Second Centarian, securing the first one will be a Hergulian dead. We coiled back building some ships needed for Cent.I coloniztion then... Disaster

Our first and only colony rebelled ! Bastards !!Bloody colonials !!! No respect to the Master ! "No taxation without representation", sort of, and here we are - the radioactive storagies are cut off (Hmmm... may be THAT was the cause of rebellion - I only build Plutonium warehouses and no hospitals. As a compensation, Praetorins made Trade Alliance. What they are up to, schemers

1054982539.jpg

Never mind, 4 months later rebellion quashed. We are united again and finally ready to go to stars http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

(((PLEASE NOTICE SMILE OF OLEGS ACCOMPLSIHMENT)))

1054982737.jpg

Ohh, it's getting better and better. Another slime threaten us. Surely, this is the best solo SE game ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

1054982881.jpg

We must send some kamikadze colonists to Centarian II before it is too late. That colony will be most certainly doomed...

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Originally posted by oleg:
The bounty of plenty.

Cenarian I lived to the expectations !
I will give Nobel prizes to one and every scientists of the expedition.
They discovered -
Chemistry I - Yeahhh !
Repair I - bleahh, only 2K
Applied Intelligence 1 - Oh, baby ! Groovy..
Mines 1 - OK, but AIC mines 1 are cheap.
Resupply 1 - Got to be good, now I have nice and (almost) useless ship component
Weapon Platforms 2 - Feel lucky today, your punk I? Yes !!! The biigest gun so far
Astrophycs 1 - Fly away, you' solar Eagle..
Combat support 2 - now I'm here, now I'm not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

A year later, another colony ship arrives to Centarian 2. it is much more cryptic now.
Some kind of neurolical inteface device but it needs some study back home (ancient tech in AIC is different from stock SE)

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several years past. My only allies - Praetorians, are having
big troubles with Xi'Chung. Here you can see how the tide of war is turning.
just right from Centarian I, the scene:

1055004422.jpg

Two turns before I noticed the destruction of 30 Praetorin ships according the the "compare" window.
I can only pray Xi'Chung won't be bored and divert some fleets to my space.
We are going bust in minerals. maintanance is just too high. So, the defence must be relied on units - fighters and
weapon platforms. After several uneventual years, Centarian I has 200 fighters and Centarian II about 100 - limited by cargo capacity.

Star liners are moving people around and carriers (based on small transport hull) ship fighters to the frontier.
All is well. Suddenly, Cue Cappa colonize the system just left of Centarian 2. It is now in the range of enemy fleet !
Good news - C.C. asks for trade alliance (accepted of course)
Bad news - C.C. have military alliance with Jaraenar who turned murderous
against us. I commit ships in Centarian 2 to probe the space left from us. IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD.

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And so it proved.

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All ships are dead, no damage to Jraenar ships whatsoever and Centarian 2 is exposed to the invasion...
(you may notice I just discovered destroyers, very late by SE norms,
but it is AIC mod, it is just _slightly_ different http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
And so comes our fate. Powerfull enemies at left and right, no minerals to build new ships
Millions of helpless people looking anxiosly to the skies - Is it a relief force and xenocidal aliens ?

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Or, yes, I almost forgot - another piece of Intergalagtic news some time ago

1055005022.jpg

Truly, this is one heck of the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Originally posted by oleg:
Senator,

It is AI Compain mod 3.10 game - AI is _very_ tough indeed. Not even like TDM suckers. I play simultaneos turns (no tactical combat - just to help AI even more).

.
Have fun, I certainly do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Good Jraenar is Dead Jaraenar http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif
And if you are going to play this game - please do, I really like it!
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AI Compain games are different. They are not more difficult or too easy. They are just... different. Try it and have fun.

The dialog for Olegs Quest, may be followed to entirety with this link.

Olegs Quest

The se4 MODs designed here on the Forum for the most part are indeed well thought out and presented to generate excitement and challenges that we designers would like to offer the se4 Community. This is an alternative or Scenario if you will, to the se4 main or other BASE Subscribed MODs. Events as well as all the Data Files are presented as such, and we truly encourage you to manipulate and to enhance (or not) the game to your liking. It is also encouraged to present your modifications or findings in a professional and worthy manor.

JLS

[ September 01, 2003, 15:35: Message edited by: JLS ]

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Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:

Ok, here is rearranged events.txt file for AIC:

1062224182.txt

Oleg, it appears your released Version of a rearranged and corrected Events.txt file you presented for the AIC patrons may be in error and requir correction.

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REFERENCE

Quote:

Originally posted by Grand Lord Vito:

Would all these currupted gaps in his file cause it to default to the stock se4 Events file if it is NOT properly formatted and not even see Olegs file?

I am with you QB I also have never had a Home World rebel or blow up from a Random Event with the original AIC file, I say if its not broke don't fix it JLS

Quote:

Originally reply by JLS:
I noticed Olegs typo myself before testing Olegs theories yesterday and thought nothing of it and just corrected them.

You are right GLV, se4 does not signal any Events file for some format mistakes when loaded.

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For example:
If you type and add this single line to the EVENTS � will this format mistake break the events file� in the document it does not register the error.

If you double line space or even add several blank lines between the cells in any Events file it does not register an error.

As with Olegs corrected file with the WIDE GAPS this also does not register an error.

It is possible Oleg and the others that used Olegs released corrected file did not experience any Catastrophic events because se4 may of stop reading the rest of the file after the format error in Olegs corrected file as it does with other se4 files.

Actually, it is possible that every EVENT after the first 11 events; all of which are low, may NEVER be read so sure in a game with Olegs AIC corrected file you may never have a Catastrophic event not to mention you may never have a Medium or High either.

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REFERENCE:

Continued discussion regarding Olegs Corrected events file from the AIC thread

Actual - Olegs released file, has a format error in the 12th Cell:

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*BEGIN*
================================================== =====================================

Type := Planet - Value Change (11th cell)
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := -20
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Cosmic Storm
Message 1 := A cosmic storm has damaged the value of planet [%PlanetName].
Picture := PlanetValueWorse
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0

Type ((( VERY WIDE GAP ))) := Ship - Experience Change (12th cell)
Severity ((( VERY WIDE GAP ))) := Low
Effect Amount := 5
Message To ((( VERY WIDE GAP ))) := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Crew wins fire fight
Message 1 ((( VERY WIDE GAP ))) := While in the [%SystemName] region, the crew of [%VehicleName] ran into Space Raiders. Winning the fire fight, The ship's battle experience has improved.
Picture := CombatWin
Time till Completion := 1
Num Start Messages := 0
Start Message Title 1 :=
Start Message 1 :=

- - -

Example of an abutrary input mistake that also did not register an error:

================================================== =====================================
*BEGIN*
================================================== =====================================

Type := Ship - Damage
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := 20
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Ion Storm
Message 1 := An ion storm has done [%ActualAmount] kT damage to the ship [%VehicleName] in the [%SystemName] system.
Picture := ShipDamaged
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0

will this format mistake break the events file

Type := Ship - Lose Movement
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := 1
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Engine Accident
Message 1 := An accident aboard [%VehicleName] has caused it to lose [%ActualAmount] of its movement.
Picture := ShipDamaged
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0
Olegs recent gift of the (correct) Events file for AIC, although surly as interesting as it may have been wrapped, and the drama in which the package was delivered; nonetheless does not devalue the gift or the thoughts behind it.

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Example of extra line spaces in-between the cells registering an error:

================================================== =====================================
*BEGIN*
================================================== =====================================

Type := Ship - Damage
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := 20
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Ion Storm
Message 1 := An ion storm has done [%ActualAmount] kT damage to the ship [%VehicleName] in the [%SystemName] system.
Picture := ShipDamaged
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0

Type := Ship - Lose Movement
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := 1
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Engine Accident
Message 1 := An accident aboard [%VehicleName] has caused it to lose [%ActualAmount] of its movement.
Picture := ShipDamaged
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0
Olegs recent gift of the (correct) Events file for AIC, although surly as interesting as it may have been wrapped, and the drama in which the package was delivered; nonetheless does not devalue the gift or the thoughts behind it.

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Type := Planet - Facility Damage
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := 1
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Fire destroys factory
Message 1 := NewsFlash..... breaking story on [%Planetname]. A fire burned through downtown today causing major damage. A number of buildings will have to be closed.
Picture := FacilityDestroyed
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0
Start Message Title 1 :=
Start Message 1 :=

Type := Ship - Lose Supply
Severity := Low
Effect Amount := 1000
Message To := Owner
Num Messages := 1
Message Title 1 := Fuel Leak
Message 1 := A fuel leak aboard [%VehicleName] has caused it to lose [%ActualAmount] of its supplies.
Picture := ShipDamaged
Time Till Completion := 0
Num Start Messages := 0

[ September 03, 2003, 16:50: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

Thanks for correcting the file !

But there is still some difference where := are located. Should they all be in line or it is not a big deal ??

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

I did not correct your released file 1062224182.txt here in this thread.
The gaps do test out as an error according to GLV 333 turn test with file 1062224182.txt
and some very basic plus quick line tests I ran on a general event file, but editer typos aside http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

and regardless on how your gift was wrapped or delivered Oleg, I do value what it is inside the package and your thoughts.

I agree with Olegs theories and the order of the Events should be regimented from Low to Catastrophic to maintain the Integrity in the pre-game MAX EVENT SEVERITY options as Oleg presented.

This will be done for AIC as Oleg suggested�

However, the desired Event rate occurrences should be reexamined to insure desired results for those who wish to use Olegs fix.

Thank you Oleg, this was a fine Idea and fix.
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[ September 03, 2003, 18:32: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
Thanks for correcting the file !

But there is still some difference where := are located. Should they all be in line or it is not a big deal ??

Spaces within a line are not important, as long as there is at least one between each text item in the line. You can have 5 spaces or 10 spaces before := (or any other number), and it will work fine.

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

You will be glad to know that the Events file in Adamant Mod is now ordered from Low to Catastrophic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Is't it amasing how buggy is/was SEIV ? Two years after release and a work of arguably the most dedicated game fanatics yet and we still find some bugs or undocumented features ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

This the lattest updated Events file for AIC.

If you wish to veiw >L-CLICK<

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You may unzip this into your se4 Gold directory to update your AIC game.

EVENTS 4.1b just >L-CLICK< for download

This 41 kb Events file is in beta

THANKS

John
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[ September 05, 2003, 18:14: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

I'm nearly eight years into my current Proportions game using Oleg's reordered Events.txt and haven't had a single random event. Is that normal? (using Low frequency, Catastrophic severity)

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince Xizor:
I'm nearly eight years into my current Proportions game using Oleg's reordered Events.txt and haven't had a single random event. Is that normal? (using Low frequency, Catastrophic severity)

Quote:

Originally posted by JLS:
I did not correct your released file 1062224182.txt here in this thread.

The gaps do test out as an error according to GLV 333 turn test with your file 1062224182.txt

What Prince Xizor file number are you using.

[ September 06, 2003, 15:41: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
and here is one for Proportions:
1062224304.txt

This one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince Xizor:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by oleg:
and here is one for Proportions:
1062224304.txt

This one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif <hr /></blockquote>Oleg, did a fine job with this, and you should have no troubles, as far as I can see Prince Xizor

Re: "max . event severity" - does it work ??

I too noticed very low number of events http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif But I did see them happened.
I do not really know how SE desides when to have one or another event. Now, with events having correct status, they are no longer uniformly "low". May be it really influence the total chance of events http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Try to increase events chance in settings.txt
It may need fine tuning now.