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Try these links on for size:

Isn't there a statue of limitations?

Watch out for the Fat Police, Tubby!

What a bootylicious book!

And they said I was robbing the cradle...

Enjoy! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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I've never thought the world to be sane. Isanity is the spice of life!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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geoshmoe's been wondering if you dropped of the face of the earth.

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The kind of world we live in, dude. When a burgler can successfully sue a homeowner for having nailed Boards (pointy side up) at the base of the window he was breaking in. When a kid's parent can sue a verocious dog owner for tearing his little boy apart after sending him in the yard (with signs on the fence stating clearly that the yard contains a bloodthirsty dog) to retrieve a frisbe. When a 16 year old gets off with a finger-wagging after dropping a large rock from a bridge right onto the windshield of a car below on the freeway (BTW, the driver was in critical condition after, yet managed to recover).

Sorry... rambled a bit there. But you get the point. Nothing surprizes me anymore.

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now the Jews have to charge the Egyptions for 100 years or therabouts of slavery...

shades of 1986 with competitiveness instead of non-competitiveness. next thing you know, it's calorie intake. anyone want a triple-fudge chocalate banana split?

i don't think they should include a word from a gangster show.

ooh-kaay...i don't think their ready...

[ August 23, 2003, 06:38: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hell ya! Place that bad boy down in front of me and stand back!

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That Egyptian story sounds like it was lifted directly from The Onion. They've done stuff like that in the past...

Israelites Sue God for Breach of Contract

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Until the like minded people band together and create an abrupt change in the course of society, these things will only get worse. Problem is that society is designed to prevent this from happening, we place all of our power in too few individual hands.

Should it ever come to pass……Then the lawyers and politicians go first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Bah... those Arabs are just playing 'tit for tat' on the lawsuit thing. If the Jews can claim they have a 'right' to a land their distant ancestors occupied 2,000+ years ago, then the Arabs can claim they have a 'right' to compensation for another wrong 3,000+ years ago. Funny in a dark sort of way, but they're probably aiming for a political effect rather than humour. That's clever to use the Torah itself as evidence in the case since it's the basis for the claim on Israel/Palestine as well. The lawsuits of a few years ago over the unpaid insurance & whatnot from the WW II era probably gave them the idea.

How is watching students' weight an 'insanity'? Aren't schools supposed to be monitoring the health and welfare of the students?

Dictionaries don't have to be sane. They just document how people talk and they're doing their job... If the contents of the dictionary are getting weird it's because of people actually talking that way.

Again, this is quite normal. It's our modern world where people don't get married until they're nearly 30 or something (the age of first marriage is still creeping up) that is the abberation. And marriage was a financial deal between families, not a 'love' match. Children would routinely be pledged (betrothed) by their parents soon after being born as a way of forming an alliance with another family. They would be married as soon as possible because lifepsans were short and you wanted the next generation of babies as soon as you could get them.

I'd say only the first item here really fits the 'insane' Category and it's a response to another type of insanity they have been subjected to.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A governmental power (be it a country or a school) has to strike a certain ballance between control and freedom. If you have too little control you have trouble, if you have too much control you will have fear. How does a power decide which is which? Do they really care if a certain control is going too far? Well, sometimes it takes the public to complain loud enough that members of the controlling power hear the message.

Yes we are supposed to be concerned with weight, but most of us are not. In a free society all the power can hope to do is show the public what is wrong or damaging to themselves and allow them to change their behavior on their own. Personally I find it going too far to enforce correct eating habits. Why do I think this? Well once a school has succeeded in that they will move onto another personal freedom they feel is damaging and try to enforce that, thinking the whole time that they are doing good, when in actuality they are whittling at more and more freedoms. Little we realize what is happening till it is too late to turn them back. This is why the story falls well in the catagory of insane.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Especially as it is VERY doubtful what "correct" eating habits are. All this diet stuff, sugar-free sugar, salt-free salt, fat-free fat and other chemical stuff that seems to be so popular among health fanatics in the US is definitely NOT healthy.

[ August 24, 2003, 02:31: Message edited by: Roanon ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This guy's damn lucky he only got sued. He should be thrown in jail IMO.

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Why? The kid should not have been tresspassing on his property.

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I worked with someone a few years ago...he had a Rot that was chained up in the back yard in full view and he had to have it put down when some kid took a short cut that was in reach of the chain http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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It is called natural selection. Humans can't escape it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This guy's damn lucky he only got sued. He should be thrown in jail IMO.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who's job is it to protect the stupid? After all there was clear indication of the danger. The parent should be sued for negligence and emotional damage to the owner.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nobody! Go survival of the fittest! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nobody! Go survival of the fittest! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">We finally agree on something.

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Bound to happen eventually. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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City people should all get happyfluffypuppy dogs. Where the worst they do is slobber on you http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Yea whatever. So I guess all you guys (assume for a second you have kids) wouldn't mind if say your neighbour kept a half starved Tiger in his backyard and thought it was adequate safety to put up a "Warning Tiger!" sign on the gate.

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As long as he could keep it locked up, nope.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, if the animal was half starved it would have to eat something. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Of course, you have to keep in mind that tigers can most likely just leap over normal walls and fences, so he would have to have a much higher fence/wall (preferably a wall). As long as sufficient safety precautions are taken, it is not a problem.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">seconded.

define fitest. Einstien wouldn't fit into the classical definition, but our world would be a lot different without him. as an addition, i have never met an 'ordinary' person.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">A lot of the problems in the US on this score could be solved in two steps.

1) Unplug the idiot box.

2) Go OUTSIDE.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well:
1) The animal couldn't get out
2) The parent "sending him [child] in the yard"
3) The parent sues.

Sounds like a perfect murder, plus whatever was received in court.

If I had a young child, I wouldn't send him into a construction zone, I wouldn't let him on the roof of the house, and I wouldn't let him roam near Niagara Falls, and I wouldn't let him go into a yard with an unfriendly or unknown dog in it.

Why don't we just put those electric collars on people?
(I tried one with the guys on Saturday; we were testing it, and planning to map out the line with flags. Its fun when you pass it around after being zapped and watching the others get hit too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

[ August 25, 2003, 15:55: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

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Well I guess no ones about to agree with me but I think keeping a dangerous animal in a yard near where kids are playing is criminally stupid. There are numerous 'what if' scenarios where a child could get into the yard. Having a young boy "torn appart" by a dog seems like a pretty harsh penalty for a minor tresspass.
Also seems a bit harsh to call this 'survival of the fittest' Hey we are talking about a young kid here right?
I have kids comming into my yard all the time to retrieve balls. Is it annoying? Hell yes? But I think there are people who seem to think it would be OK for me to say put a board of nails at the bottom of the fence were they hop over. Perhaps I should sit on the deck with a 12 gauge and nail em when then come over?? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Key word locked. Not just a closed and unlocked gate.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">With the number of morronic parents around someone has too.

[ August 25, 2003, 16:53: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Exactly kind of like this guy: DavidG's Dog
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Well I think two things-- One im only posting here cause i want a promotion and Two:

Criminally stupid is hard to define, putting nails at the bottom of the fence...only if those nails are like a part of your family a part that you fight for and that you sometimes let into the house despite their questionable hygiene. Besides which aren't the parents equally as stupid for not saying don't go into the yard with the dangerous doggy and then maybe trying something many Americans are fatally terrified of <font color="CC0000">Discipline.</font> http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif Hate to sound like the biracial pentecostal I am but "spare the rod spoil the child" did you ever think that maybe little johnny wouldn't have to have a glass eye if you had just spanked him for trying to cross the fence in the first place instead of saying "I'm very disappointed" the moronic kid has to have a sense of right and wrong instilled into him before you can expect him to care if your dissapointed or not...sigh but alas we've come so far beyond that today we know that everyone is born good, that good is like an instinct...BS good is what you grow up with if you grow up with some smutty mother and drunk father you gonna be one of the two-humans dont have instincts we have the ability to learn hence the weak and dependent state of our young they learn by watching and how you act is how they're gonna act...and if HTML is enabled how come my text won't display red when I tell it to?

Thanks to Pheonix-D for specifying it was brackets

[ August 26, 2003, 06:08: Message edited by: Suicide Junkie ]

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Wee! No paragraphs! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Anyway, if you want color, you need to use brackts. [ ] instead of < and >. Goes for all tags, actually.

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Sorry, DavidG but it looks like you've still missed the main issue of the parent knowingly sending his child into a dangerous situation. Yes all possible precaution must be taken by owners of nasty animals but it is still the job of the parent to instill a healthy sense of self-preservation. Agreed?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">My idiot box is my computer, so no, not a good idea to just unplug it, might short out something. and 2, I dont have a lap top, so I have to stay inside and no, I dont have wireless either, I guess I could drag my comp out on the porch, but the glare on the monitor pisses me off, so I keep the curtians shut, nobody knows if I am around, I am quiet, well sometimes my porn surfing will bring a supprise or 2, but thats a different thread http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

What started all this "I am not accountable for my actions" (in the US that is) is the fault of trial lawyers and the judges that allowed the awards. I admit that a person should have the right to sue, BUT they should pay if they LOOSE. That old lady that got burnt from a hot cup of coffee from McDonalds should never have gotten the large payout she got, should she have had her medical bills paid, yes, but MY GOD, coffee is HOT and your driving a car you dip, not smart I think and if she did something like that, some of the responsibility should be hers.

Punitive damages are outragous as it is, if a company does something wrong they should pay, but it shouldnt be a lotto.

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The parent should have been punished for negligence for sending the kid into an obviously hazardous situation.

That said, I think there is something very wrong with people who raise dogs to be so savage. What exactly is going on in their troUsers that they need a barely-controllable, snarling, slobbering child-mutilation-waiting-to-happen tied up in their back yard anyway? What's wrong with a nice, friendly, sociable dog?

There used to be a guy across the road with a really vicious alsatian. He deliberately raised it to be as violent and unstable as possible. One day when I was young I came across him and he had his dog on a lead. It snarled at me and I was afraid, and the guy saw this and advanced on me until I was pinned up against a fence with him holding the dog just a few inches away from me, and by now the damn thing was in a frenzy. He held me there for ages. He thought it was funny. He moved house shortly after, never saw him again. I hope the son of a ***** got his arms chewed off.

Another uninteresting anecdote:
Also I did various delivery type jobs as a kid (paper rounds etc) and I remember there were several houses that I was afraid to go anywhere near due to aggressive dogs. Luckily in my case they were always locked up or tied up, but I was always thinking what if it jumped the fence? What if it slipped its collar? What if they forgot to close the gate? What if it bites my hand as I poke the paper through their stupid spring-loaded letterbox? I suspect now that the owners got some kind of peverse ego-boost out of scaring the crud out of little kids. I should have left their damn newspapers in the hedge.

(NOTE- despite the above, I like dogs. I just hate people who own dogs for the wrong reasons.)

[ August 26, 2003, 10:07: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

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So carry a bat... one good thwack and the dog will be out cold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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weight and intelligence to the contrary, unless you carry a gun, i think the advantage still goes to the dog. why? because without training or intense stress our intelligence slows us down and makes us less willing to kill.

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I didn't say kill...

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Apparently (I don't know if this is true) you can kill any attacking dog by grabbing it's front legs and pulling them apart. This will pop the dog's heart open. Apparently.

But yeah, even without that (probably untrue) factoid and without a bat or a gun, I would make any dog that attacked me severely sorry. I'm sure I'd end up in hospital but I'd make bloody sure I didn't come off worse. I may lack the animalistic "killer instinct" but 101kg and a pair of size 12 stompin' boots goes a long way to making up for it...

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someone's trying to kill me and has a good chance, i'll try to kill them. why shouldn't i apply the same to large dogs?

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed. I don't think there is any doubt that the parent was an idiot (Assuming all the assumtions we've made here are true. ie he didn't know the dog, (maybe he did and it was friendly to him) and he could read English, the sign was clearly posted etc)
The parent certainly should not be able to turn this into some kind of lottery win for himself.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Right on! As a doctor my dad saw many frivilous lawsuits and most of them came from the very poor or the very rich with money to burn. The poor got Legal Aid so they had nothing to lose. The middle class rarely sued because it would cost them money.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, I can't say whether this is true or not. This is the first I have ever heard of it. I suspect it's not something a child or a weak adult could do, unless it were a small dog. Muscle and tendon are pretty tough afterall.

But I guess if you try it and it doesn't work you won't have long to worry about it. If you think about the position you will be in with referance to the dog to attempt this manuver that would put you face to face with him, with your arms spread wide and his jaws a few inches from your neck. And he's likely to be a little ticked at you for spreading his front legs apart. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I have heard if you punch an attacking dog square on the nose its the canine equivalent to the old knee to the groin. That is what I have always heard is the best way to stun him long enough to get away.

But the best way to stop a dog attack is to not screw around with unfamilier dogs of course.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think there's anything in creation that likes a punch in the nose. It seems we're all pretty tender there. But remember that a dog's mouth-eye coordination is, in all likelihood, superior to your hand-eye coordination. Unless you're a darn fast boxer you're just going to get your fist bit if you jab head on. Try swinging down fro mthe top.

The best time to hit a dog's nose is when he's got his mouth wrapped around something else... like some part of you in most cases, or maybe just your clothes if you're lucky. If you can't keep the dog from biting you, and you can make some choice, try to get your off forearm in his mouth so that the two bones in there are side-by-side, not over-under. Even the strongest-jawed canine is not going to be able to snap your arm in half right away, and this gives you some control over where his head is. You're going to get cut, likely torn-up, but at that point it was going to happen anyway. Also keep in mind that the animal is probably going to be whipping his head back and forth if he's got his mouth on you, and that his neck is about the strongest thing on him.

If you are able to strike hard on the place where the dog's snout meets the rest of his skull you can knock him out much the way a good sock to the jaw will a human. Usually a club of some kind is needed for this, but if you're the same guy who can punch the dog in the nose without getting bit, you probably have enough force in your fist to do the job.

As for the 'ripping their fore legs apart' thing, I've heard this before but have not seen any documentation. It may be true, but if a friend told me that in 'real life', I would level the following accusation at him: "You've been reading things on the Internet again, haven't you." Could be true, though.

All in all, you're better off not going to grappling with any animal, as a human your advantages and strengths lie elsewhere: stand back and throw rocks. Still, the best way to win a fight with a dog is to stay away from the dog.

I could be wrong on any of this, except for the Last part.

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A few years ago there was this dog that was out-of-yard and came after me accross the street. Well, I kept the lamp post between me and him. This went on for a bit till the owner came out and tried calling the not listening dog off. She said "if you don't run he won't chase you." Well, obviously a bad idea in my mind so I ask her to not hold it against me if I refuse to take her stupid advice. She did eventually get the dog away.

LOL! "Don't run and he won't chase you!"
Can you picture it? Dog on my throat. "You're right!" Gurgle. "He's not chasing anymore!"

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Actually, in cases where the dog is not intent on killing you, just trying to scare you, running is the worst thing you can do, because it will show fear. This could incite the hunter instinct in the dog, making the situation worse. If you back away slowly, in most cases the dog will not follow you. Showing fear to a dog is one of the worst things you can do. Unless you can run faster than the dog, which is unlikely, try not to just run all out away from it.

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Several times during our walks I have had to protect my little dog. My wife was walking him alone one time and had a run in with a pit bull.

Picking up the little dog and holding him up high helps, if help is nearby.

I have had to kick some of these attackers. They are easily distracted by hands. A good snap kick connecting the top of the foot to the bottom of the jaw will adjust their attitudes quickly.
I had to threaten one twice to get him to retreat.
I may have broken some doggie jaws. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

I have found pepper spray to be much more effective and not harmfull. I have even seen it done on COPS against some dangerous drug dealer dogs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Pepper Spray the dog and wait for it to blink once. They become pretty sulky and retreat.
I wish that punk skate boarding kid who lost control of his dog had also attacked me. I should have pepper sprayed his mouth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That answer is much better than my previous.

Ah, the Chemical Solution.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hehe yea. That's the funny thing about owners of dogs that have just attacked another animal or person. It's always the other guys fault.
I saw a guy on some court TV show pull this one. His large attack dog raced out of his open front door and attacked a small dog on the sidewalk. His excuse?? Well the dog on the sidewalk (walking beside his owner) didn't have a leash on!!! Duh wait a minute didn't your dog just race out of the house without a leash? Oh yes but if the dog on the sidewalk had a leash he would have been OK. HUH??

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According to this article "How to defend yourself against a dog attack" the best defence is to stand absolutely still. If the dog is trained to attack, then you don't have much of a chance in a fight if you're unarmed. Pepper spray works on some dogs but not on others.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now there's the trick right? Knowing which it is. I figure that my throat is more important to me than testing the owner's theory and risking being on the business end of a statistic.

Also do take note that I was rather cool the whole time, and as I mentioned, kept the lamp post between me and the dog. I could have kept that up for as long as I needed. If I had to I could have let the dog tear away at my bookbag while beating it over the nose. But that would have been a waste of energy and I am lazy.

[ August 27, 2003, 04:49: Message edited by: Tigbit ]