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Atrocities October 6th, 2003 05:29 AM

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Just in case you had not heard, the Sci-Fi Channel has produced a mini series based upon Battlestar Galactica due out in Decemeber.

I don't know much about it other than it looks like a standard Sci-Fi channel mini series, ergo - ok acting, ok special effects, ok story line, and ok in general.

It does look promising, and who knows, perhaps it will be a great source for a new series based upon the old one.

Prince Xizor October 6th, 2003 07:04 AM

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I really enjoyed Battlestar Galactica as a kid, despite all the similarities to Star Wars (it was like getting to watch Star Wars every week--this was before VCRs were commonplace keep in mind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). I'm sure I'll watch the Sci-Fi remake come December and find something to enjoy (Dune and Children of Dune weren't bad). There have been a lot of bad things said about it already though, such as the casting decisions. Starbuck and Boomer are women now?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

JLPicard October 6th, 2003 07:45 AM

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I think that Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica is going to be interesting also. But better yet would be a series based on Wing Commander (potentially deeper plot/storyline) or even
better yet, resurrecting Babylon 5!

geoschmo October 6th, 2003 03:27 PM

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I watched BG as a kid, but I never noticed any similarities between it and Star Wars except for your typical stuff that every sci-fi has, space ships, ray guns, aliens etc. That's like saying "Saving Private Ryan" and "Terms of Endearment" are very similer because they are set on Earth, both have people in it, and some of the people die. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Although I guess if you never had any contact with Sci-Fi before SW and then started watching BG you might think they were similer. So I guess it depends on your perspective.

David E. Gervais October 6th, 2003 04:18 PM

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The only similarity I know between SW and BG is John Dykstra worked on the SP/FX for both. I think he did have something to do with the 'Viper' model too. I always liked the Viper model. very nice fighter design.

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Edit: BTW, I just spent some time going over the different info on the new BG series and it looks like they have basically trashed the original concept in favor of a new-age story that bears little resemblance to BG. They could (and IMHO) should change the name of the new series to something else. The cylons are now 'humanoid' (think replicants from BladeRunner) and are now 'defending the 'colony' instead of searching for the lost colony and the mythical planet called earth.

IMHO they have just strapped the BG name on a new Sci-Fi series in hopes to gain a wider audience. (The fans of the original will not be a happy crowd, and with good reason.) Calling this new Sci-Fi show Battlestar Galactica is akin to calling 'Andromeda' "Star Trek: Commomwealth"

Maybe Richard Hatch will eventually succeed in reviving the 'real' BG. That I would look forward to seeing. This new BG is not on my list of things to look forward to.

nuf said, Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 06, 2003, 15:35: Message edited by: David E. Gervais ]

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro October 6th, 2003 05:00 PM

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Battle Barge Collapsica? Oh yeah, I remember now. Isn't that the show that had a Monkey in a robotic dog costume? I just watched to catch a glimpse of those fine Tektronix waveform monitors and ocilliscopes donated to make up the bridge set.

Battle Star 1980: Cylons taking out L.A. and the Capital Records building! Good television!

Baron Munchausen October 6th, 2003 06:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Prince Xizor:
I really enjoyed Battlestar Galactica as a kid, despite all the similarities to Star Wars (it was like getting to watch Star Wars every week--this was before VCRs were commonplace keep in mind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ). I'm sure I'll watch the Sci-Fi remake come December and find something to enjoy (Dune and Children of Dune weren't bad). There have been a lot of bad things said about it already though, such as the casting decisions. Starbuck and Boomer are women now?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Please explain why you think Battlestar Galactica is similar to Star Wars? Other than the use of space ships? I've always wanted to look up the George Lucas lawsuit and see what possible reasons he could have had to think it was a SW rip-off...

And yes, from what I've heard the 'new' BG is only slightly more similar to the original than the old BG was to SW, as others have noted. It looks like they just wanted to hijack the brand-loyalty of the old show for their new SciFi series. I won't bother to watch it.

SpaceBadger October 6th, 2003 07:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Prince Xizor:
I really enjoyed Battlestar Galactica as a kid, despite all the similarities to Star Wars (it was like getting to watch Star Wars every week--this was before VCRs were commonplace keep in mind http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).
*snip*

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Please explain why you think Battlestar Galactica is similar to Star Wars?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Try to look at it without 23+ years of hindsight. When Star Wars first came out, one of the best things about it for us kids (I was 14) was the special effects - the ships in space, the bLaster bolts, the light-sabres - all a quantum leap beyond what we were used to seeing in Star Trek re-runs on late night TV, or on Space: 1999. These were pretty much the only referents we had, and without VCRs we did not have the opportunity to study them in detail, we could only try and catch them when they happened to show up on TV.

From that point of view, yes, Battlestar Galactica certainly did a pretty good impression of Star Wars. The ships had a similar look to them; the appearance of ships in space, and ship combat, was very similar; and I think the hand-weapon effects were similar, too.

I didn't get to see Galactica much, only when I was over at the home of someone who lived in town and had cable TV, as it was on a network that we could not recieve by broadcast (ABC, maybe?), but I remember thinking back then that it would be so cool to be able to watch it regularly, like getting Star Wars on TV. (I watched Star Wars three times the summer it came out, then did not get to see it again in any form until Empire Strikes Back came out several years later; did not see the original Star Wars again until it was shown on TV about the time that Jedi came out, I think. My kids have them all on VHS and watch them whenever they get a notion, and think nothing of it.)

So anyway, yeah, I understand exactly what Xizor was saying, and agree with him.

SpaceBadger

Atrocities October 6th, 2003 07:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JLPicard:
I think that Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica is going to be interesting also. But better yet would be a series based on Wing Commander (potentially deeper plot/storyline) or even
better yet, resurrecting Babylon 5!

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The Wing Commander movie with Freddy Prince (sp) was a good movie and was produced by the same Glen Larson one of the original Battlestar Galactica producers.

[ October 06, 2003, 18:53: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

narf poit chez BOOM October 6th, 2003 07:42 PM

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Quote:

The cylons are now 'humanoid' (think replicants from BladeRunner) and are now 'defending the 'colony' instead of searching for the lost colony and the mythical planet called earth.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">in other words, the cylons are no longer imperialistic robots?

i can't come up with words for the apparent suckiness.

Atrocities October 6th, 2003 08:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">
The cylons are now 'humanoid' (think replicants from BladeRunner) and are now 'defending the 'colony' instead of searching for the lost colony and the mythical planet called earth.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">in other words, the cylons are no longer imperialistic robots?

i can't come up with words for the apparent suckiness.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Yup this day an age ever classic is being rewritten by politically correct arseholes with poor imaginations and weak bladder control.

The robots were offended by the negative depiction that the original Battlestar Galactica series. The touchie feelie, politically correct, organic eating vegitarian tree huggers that are the writing staff for the Sci-Fi channel more than likely opted for this revisionist view of this classic TV series because they are so shallowly self centered as to believe they are gods gift to man.

If the Sci-Fi channel is sooooooooooooooo stupid as to do a revisionisic rewrite of the fundamental principal and story of battlestar galactica then they should be ridiculed to the end of time itself.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Bad Sci-Fi Channel! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif Bad!

Loser October 6th, 2003 08:28 PM

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I believe, in the original miniseries, or at least in the screenplay I read, the Cylons were reptilian in the beginning.

If I had cable, I'd watch the new BG just to see if I could find any remaining fragments of the LDS (yes I got that in the right order).

Starhawk October 6th, 2003 08:47 PM

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Pardon the oppinion of a newbie but I beleive you have all been misinformed.

I watched "Inside Battlestar Galactica" on Sci-Fi and it looks just like a revamped Version of the original nothing more nothing less.

The colonials BUILT the Cylons in this Version, I don't know if that's how it was in the original as I wasn't around back then but I think this sounds cool.

The Cylons come in two types in the miniseries they come in a wicked looking battledroid that is very obviously a mechanoid and they also come in a "sex slave/regular slave" kind of humanoid form that the Colonials built. The Cylons then rebelled against the Colonials and went all Pearl Harbor on the Colonial fleet.

Now the Galactica is the Last remaining warship in the Colonial navy and is guarding a rag tag fleet of civilians towards "unknown space" which might be earth for all we know.

As for "boomer" and "starbuck" being women now, personally i have nothing really against it since they are not adding them as "love interests" of any of the male characters, I personally love a kickass kinda lady and think it would be cool to see em. (and I always thought starbuck sounded kinda female anyway).
But the reason they are turning the males into women instead of adding new female pilots is because they "according to them" wanted these characters to be just as important as the males and since most of the galactica series focused on Starbuck, Apollo and Boomer the best way for them was to turn the two other guys into girls and then add new male characters. They are getting modern by the fact that women are now fighter pilots and soldiers and not just the bambi the love godess characters of the 1970's.

Heh well that's the oppinion of a guy who was raised around kickass girls since i was a wee boy anyway :-).

[ October 06, 2003, 19:49: Message edited by: Starhawk ]

Atrocities October 7th, 2003 12:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Starhawk:
Pardon the oppinion of a newbie but I beleive you have all been misinformed.

I watched "Inside Battlestar Galactica" on Sci-Fi and it looks just like a revamped Version of the original nothing more nothing less.

The colonials BUILT the Cylons in this Version, I don't know if that's how it was in the original as I wasn't around back then but I think this sounds cool.

The Cylons come in two types in the miniseries they come in a wicked looking battledroid that is very obviously a mechanoid and they also come in a "sex slave/regular slave" kind of humanoid form that the Colonials built. The Cylons then rebelled against the Colonials and went all Pearl Harbor on the Colonial fleet.

Now the Galactica is the Last remaining warship in the Colonial navy and is guarding a rag tag fleet of civilians towards "unknown space" which might be earth for all we know.

As for "boomer" and "starbuck" being women now, personally i have nothing really against it since they are not adding them as "love interests" of any of the male characters, I personally love a kickass kinda lady and think it would be cool to see em. (and I always thought starbuck sounded kinda female anyway).
But the reason they are turning the males into women instead of adding new female pilots is because they "according to them" wanted these characters to be just as important as the males and since most of the galactica series focused on Starbuck, Apollo and Boomer the best way for them was to turn the two other guys into girls and then add new male characters. They are getting modern by the fact that women are now fighter pilots and soldiers and not just the bambi the love godess characters of the 1970's.

Heh well that's the oppinion of a guy who was raised around kickass girls since i was a wee boy anyway :-).

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Welcome and thanks for the info.

You really should watch the old Version from the late 70's. It debute on September 17th 1978 I believe and was 3 hours long.

Women fighter pilots is nothing new to BSG, as they had them in great numbers in the original series.

The idea of making Starbuck a women is completely lame by any definition. I liked the boomer character, a no bull get it done kind of guy, but if they want to make that character a women, no harm no foul, but Starbuck was Apollos best friend. Changing the character to a women has only one purpose, love interest. Nuff said. (Think 7 of 9 - TaPal - Troi)

The original series was very exciting to watch. The series BSG 1980 was a f--ked up scaled down cost effective POS series. However in that series we did get to meet the first Human Cylon.

The original Cylon race was raptillian and they created the machines to kill the humans. The raptillian cyclons all died off for some reason, not really discussed in the series, leaving the machines to fend for themselves. Ultimatly the Cyclons set up the Colonials and obliterate their fleet say for a handful of Battlestars, the Galactica and the Peguses were two that were featured in the series. The Peguses later was presumed destroyed after she engaged three Cyclon Basestars destroying them all.

The other ships were mentioned in fan lore and books.

If you can get the original BSG series on DVD, and I think you can now, you should invest in it. It was a very good series even by todays standards. The title track is still considered by many to be one of the best ever created.

Starhawk October 7th, 2003 02:17 AM

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I have managed to watch a great many of the Original BSG episodes recently including the pilot episodes and I must say.....I liked it up until they found Terra.

Other then that I do think that Sci-Fi is sticking pretty much to the storyline cept for Starbuck....and I didn't really like that character much I liked Apallo more.

narf poit chez BOOM October 7th, 2003 07:25 AM

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so, they make it the colonials fault the cylon's are bad robots?

'oh, but he/she had rotten parents/freinds/small furry animals'.

so now, the colonails are the bad guy's?

anyone want to start a petition to the sci-fi channel to stop them from ruining a great show?

^calmest thing i could think of^ http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Prince Xizor October 7th, 2003 07:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SpaceBadger:
Try to look at it without 23+ years of hindsight. When Star Wars first came out, one of the best things about it for us kids (I was 14) was the special effects - the ships in space, the bLaster bolts, the light-sabres - all a quantum leap beyond what we were used to seeing in Star Trek re-runs on late night TV, or on Space: 1999. These were pretty much the only referents we had, and without VCRs we did not have the opportunity to study them in detail, we could only try and catch them when they happened to show up on TV.

From that point of view, yes, Battlestar Galactica certainly did a pretty good impression of Star Wars. The ships had a similar look to them; the appearance of ships in space, and ship combat, was very similar; and I think the hand-weapon effects were similar, too.

I didn't get to see Galactica much, only when I was over at the home of someone who lived in town and had cable TV, as it was on a network that we could not recieve by broadcast (ABC, maybe?), but I remember thinking back then that it would be so cool to be able to watch it regularly, like getting Star Wars on TV. (I watched Star Wars three times the summer it came out, then did not get to see it again in any form until Empire Strikes Back came out several years later; did not see the original Star Wars again until it was shown on TV about the time that Jedi came out, I think. My kids have them all on VHS and watch them whenever they get a notion, and think nothing of it.)

So anyway, yeah, I understand exactly what Xizor was saying, and agree with him.

SpaceBadger

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks, SpaceBadger! Couldn't have explained myself any better than that.

Of course when A New Hope was first released in 1977, I was only a year old. The first Star Wars film I saw in theaters was Return of the Jedi in '83. The previous two I saw at my neighbor's house; she babysat for my brothers and I, and happened to have a VCR (my parents didn't get one until the mid-80s). So I was pretty young when first watching Star Wars, Galactica, and I also remember a show called Buck Rogers in the 25th Century (which has re-aired on-and-off on Sci-Fi). And at that age, you're too young to really understand the story. You just wait for the scenes with starfighter dogfights and bLaster bolts darting across the screen. Naturally you perceive obvious similarities between Star Wars and Galactica: Cylon centurions resemble Imperial Stormtroopers (and their mechanical appearance distinguishes them as the "bad guys", as opposed to the "good guys" who are mainly human in appearance); similar weapons and ships; the Cylons and Imperials always tend to outnumber the "good guys", who more than make up for it through heroics; and so on. The Last point you find in any fantasy epic, but Star Wars and Galactica were my first exposure to this kind of thing. Which is probably why even today I prefer space fantasy over the Harry Potter / Lord of the Rings varieties.

Atrocities October 7th, 2003 11:10 AM

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Comparing BSG to SW is like comparing Air Combat in California to Air Combat in Florida. Space fighter combat in both BSG and SW are simular because that is how we preceive fighter combat for space. The fact that they are simular is by design and concept. No one has the right to "claim" the style as their own.

Vipers look nothing like X-Wings IMHO. Cylon Fighters look nothing like TIE Fighters. A Battlestar and a Basestar have no resemeblence to anything seen in Star Wars. Lucas lost his case, and we lost BSG. Thank George.

Remember BSG was sued by the guy who made Howard the Duck.

Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, now that was a nifty show. Corney by todays standards, but in the day it was a great Thursday night flick. I still love thinking about Erin (Wilma) for she was one very attactive women and I guess she still is. Do any of you remember the episode where Whilma and another women were locked inside of a hot room filled with steam? Ohhhh ya baby, for a 13 year old that was like pure gold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Any one here recently listen to BSG Main title theme? I need to get that on P2P as I can not find it on any CD any where.

[ October 07, 2003, 10:15: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

Prince Xizor October 7th, 2003 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, now that was a nifty show. Corney by todays standards, but in the day it was a great Thursday night flick. I still love thinking about Erin (Wilma) for she was one very attactive women and I guess she still is. Do any of you remember the episode where Whilma and another women were locked inside of a hot room filled with steam? Ohhhh ya baby, for a 13 year old that was like pure gold. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">*nods*
"Planet of the Slave Girls" had to be the best episode for that reason alone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Prince Xizor October 7th, 2003 06:32 PM

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Good news for fans of the original BSG, and those of us too cheap to buy the DVD (I don't even have a DVD player yet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ): SciFi will be airing selected episodes from the original series all day next Monday 10/13, 9am-5pm EST, starting with the 3-hour series premiere. So get your VCRs ready! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

"By your command!"

http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/ind...TICA&x=192&y=2

Starhawk October 7th, 2003 06:44 PM

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Yeah I saw the ep of Buck Rogers....in 2002 (as I wasn't even around when it first aired). I was thinking "Well the plot is kind of lame but....wow look a tall that steam http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ).

As for the New Battlestar Galactica here's my oppinion in a nice ordered number list of why I'll probobly give it a shot:

1. Starbuck being a woman is kind of cool BECAYSE of the fact that Starbuck is Apallo's best friend, they are trying to show that a woman and a man can be the closest of friends while not having a cheesy love interest or sexual tension between them.

2. Boomber going from a short black guy to a short asian girl I also have no problem with (partly because of the fact that it's Grace Park http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) and because although it looks like she might have a love interest it also doesn't look like it's gonna be one of the main characters which is always a good thing. And I always liked a cute lady that can kickass with the best of em. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

3.The ships all look really good, including the revamped Vipers.

4. I got a glimpse of the Neo-Cylon battledroids and trust me you guys will not likely be disapointed.

5. YES the CYLONS are the badguys they turned evil of their own "choice" I guess, but yeah they are the evil imperialistic robots we've all come to know and love in the original series.

6. The female pilot from the original series "Sheeba" when she wasn't flying her fighter was buisy crying about one thing or another so I'm glad to see her gone.

7. Sci-Fi usually does a good job at remakes as we saw with Frank Hurburts DUNE and a few others.

zen. October 7th, 2003 10:36 PM

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I'm agreeing with you about the Starbuck thing, Starhawk. I read an interview with them that said they were only changing the gender; the buddy relationship between Starbuck and Apollo would be about the same or similar. Whether Starbuck's still a womanizer, I don't know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I'm not familiar with most of the cast, but Olmos as Adama wasn't even recognizable. The moustache does a lot. heh heh

And a few more things: Wilma Deering kicked mucho ***, Sheba looked like she was going cry at any given time, Athena was Apollo's sister assigned to the Command Bridge, and that episode with all the female pilots (apparently they were converted cargo pilots and whatnot) I think he married Serina, played by Jane Seymour, no less. She probably made a better pilot than Sheba so they killed her off 50 minutes later. Or something.

No, the women of sci-fi didn't influence my growing up. Really. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

zen

Starhawk October 7th, 2003 10:45 PM

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Well I've never liked the "I'm gonna cry over something everyone else is being stoic about just because I'm a girl" deal in the old sci-fi shows.

I mean in RL I have been raised around girls that can kickass and take a beating with the best of the guys (martial arts mainly, watching streetfights as well http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ) and I've always liked em especially now that I'm not a little kid anymore and realize just how hot some of them really are.

Anyway moving on I like that in modern day TV we see women that can be smart, kickass tough and good looking all at the same time.

geoschmo October 8th, 2003 01:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
You really should watch the old Version from the late 70's. It debute on September 17th 1978 I believe and was 3 hours long.

Women fighter pilots is nothing new to BSG, as they had them in great numbers in the original series.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Uh, actually I think maybe you need to brush up on your old episodes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif They had one female viper pilot on a regular basis. I can't remember her name but I think it was Appollo's sister. And she was always whining that they never let her fly combat and made her fly the shuttles. It was all very 70's TV war of the sexes crap. Finally they had one episode where all the male pilots got sick and the women folk had to defend the fleet. After that episode though they went back to just male pilots for the most part, although the one girl did get to be a regular member of the viper squadrons after that.

My first impression of making Starbuck a woman was "you got to be kidding me!". I am all for adding more strong female characters but I thought it would have been better to simply add them as new characters that weren't in the original. But after reading some of the back story it actually sounds like it might be kind of interesting. And it doesn't hurt that the actress they got to play her is HOT! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I have decided I am going to watch the new series and just take it on it's own merits. Instead of looking for discrepancies I am going to watch it as a totally new story and decide if I like it or not based on that. The original series was cool for the time and one of my favorite shows growing up, but in retrospect sucked pretty badly. I tried catching them on sci-fi a few months back and they were frankly unwatchable except for making fun of.

Mudshark October 8th, 2003 01:27 AM

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I just wonder if they are going to recycle the same space scenes 1,000 times like in the original series?

geoschmo October 8th, 2003 01:42 AM

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Originally posted by Mudshark:
I just wonder if they are going to recycle the same space scenes 1,000 times like in the original series?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh yeah, that same scene of the cylons approaching and rolling over into a dive every time there was an attack. That one became so ubiquitous it was in an RCA TV commercial for a while. Then there is the one they play every time a viper got behind one of the cylons: cut to an interior of a cylon fighter and the pilot looks back over his shoulder just before the ship explodes. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

One of the nice things about the computer generated effects is once you set the basic paramaters and elements of the shot you can run it from different angles and what not and make several shots that look nothing alike. So hopefully no.

narf poit chez BOOM October 8th, 2003 07:29 AM

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so, i have to wonder how all those movies make women who's figures and faces don't fit the hollywood ideal of 'beutiful' feel?

and thus, the cosmetic's industry prosper's.

ZeroAdunn October 8th, 2003 08:17 AM

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I seem to remember one episode where they needed more viper pilots, and they wound up training a whole bunch of chicks. Eventually, after like their first main encounter (I think it was the episode with the secret cyclon post in that asteroid before they went into that section of space that was like a void) all the chic pilots are in the lounge. The two male viper pilots are being all hard core and stoic, while the chics are all laughing and talking about their mission. Great episode....

Starhawk October 8th, 2003 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
so, i have to wonder how all those movies make women who's figures and faces don't fit the hollywood ideal of 'beutiful' feel?

and thus, the cosmetic's industry prosper's.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You'd be suprised about this but, I know A LOT girls right now and only two or three are truely unattractive there are a few that are all-right, a lot of them are at the very least cute and there are a few that are drop dead gorgeous....so I guess it's all a matter of if your one of those two or three unattractive girls in a room full of good looking ones http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Anyway, anyone know why it is that modern shows that remake old ones tend to turn the "bLasters" and laser weapons into slug thrower assault rifles and pistols? I'd really like an oppinion on this as it has been bugging me since I first noticed it about new TV remakes. I mean is there more drama in watching someone have a small hole made in their body from a bullet then a burn mark from a bLaster? What do you think?

Arkcon October 8th, 2003 02:07 PM

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Anyway, anyone know why it is that modern shows that remake old ones tend to turn the "bLasters" and laser weapons into slug thrower assault rifles and pistols?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think this is a shift in popular perceptions. More geeks are writing and watching scifi.

What could be called these days "hard scifi" is trying to apply "realisitic" physics and I guess that hand held "high energy" weapons don't work for people anymore.

Meh. I can suspend disbelief for any scifi technobabble, as long as the dialog is good.

I gotta say though, whoever is the captain of the Galactica has some big shoes to fill. Watch the reruns, Lorne Greene really ruled that show.

[ October 08, 2003, 13:11: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Starhawk October 8th, 2003 04:54 PM

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Either that or it's the splat factor....let's face it you can get a lot more blood out of your average bullet wound then you ever get with bLaster wounds....hmmm any other oppinions? I know I've gone off topic but since all the "Warrior" weapons on the new BSG are slug throwers I guess I can squeek by.

I've seen a viper making a strafing run with lasers but I've also seen lots of missiles being shot around...I wonder which will be the dominant factor in the new BSG.

Arkcon October 8th, 2003 05:02 PM

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Either that or it's the splat factor....let's face it you can get a lot more blood out of your average bullet wound then you ever get with bLaster wounds....hmmm any other oppinions?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now see, that may have been a selling point at one time. People got shot, and just fell down. So you could claim it wasn't real violence.

I remember, I musta been maybe 4,5 or 6 years old. Some TV show had some lady get shot in some standard cop drama of the early '70's. She fell. And I asked the grownups questions:

"She got shot?"
"Yes"
"Why isn't there any blood?"
"She's wearing a red sweater"
"Oh. Is she OK"
"Sure, they'll just take the bullet out, simple operation, she'll be back on her feet in no time"

I actually believed that was the case in a shooting for a couple more years. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

But hey, don't blame my parents, the tv show did't have her yell or bleed -- they wanted people to believe she was going to be fine. What a world.

And I don't know what I'm complaining about, the world then or the world now.

[ October 08, 2003, 16:03: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Starhawk October 8th, 2003 05:15 PM

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Heh I always get a kick out of movies and shows where there is no blood at all when someone is shot....Especially when they are supposed to be shot with a fully automatic weapon.

A lot of people get away now adays with the no blood by either having the people wear thick red colored clothing or black cloths, although if they do that I at least like to see an impact,you know fabric flies a bit that sort of thing.

zen. October 9th, 2003 06:18 PM

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I can at least understand the need for kinetic weapons. I was watching a recent Enterprise episode (Rajiin) where some enemy troops boarded the ship. The crew were trying to repel boarders but apparently the guys were wearing some type of armor that was impervious or at least absorbed all the laser fire. I thought that if they had some good ole fashioned slugthrowers, those boarders would be seriously ventilated. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And of course in traditional Trek fashion, no one had helmets on; but I won't go there. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

zen

Arkcon October 9th, 2003 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Starhawk:
A lot of people get away now adays with the no blood by either having the people wear thick red colored clothing or black cloths, although if they do that I at least like to see an impact,you know fabric flies a bit that sort of thing.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh yeah. I was just clicking around when I paused on the famous TV show (that I'd never seen before) "LA Law", and *BLAM*, the shoulder of Susan Dey's grey trendy suit opened up in a little red burst. And I said to myself "Those @$$holes just shot Laurie Partridge!"

gregebowman October 9th, 2003 10:06 PM

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Even though they made Starbuck a female, I'm going to watch the show. I doubt if it will be as good as the original, but at least it will have a modern plotline instead of the plotlines they were using in the 70's. And yes, I was around the for the original prime-time viewings of the orignal series. I was 14 or 15 when BG came out. But I still plan on buying the DVD set when it comes out in a couple of weeks. It's not quite like having Star Wars on a weekly basis, but for the late 1970's, it was just about all we had except for Buck Rogers (I didn't become a Dr Who fan until much later, as I couldn't catch all of the episodes in order in my area). I hope Olmos can partially fill Lorne Greene's shoes, but that would be a hard slot to fill. Hopefully he'll do a decent job of it.

Starhawk October 10th, 2003 04:11 AM

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I just hope they use good old earth expresions instead of stuff like Centon (how long is that anyway it seems to always be changing). Hade's Hole as an expression? We don't go around saying oh Hell's Hole why would they say their people's equivalent.

YAREN I'm not evne going into how funny that sounds for completely immature reasons.

As for that enterprise ep "Rajjin" I think it wasn't necessarily that their armor was all that effective but I remember that everyone seems to be using stun all the time....I'd have set it to kill. And the big thing about that ep was I don't know if the five good guys that got hit died or what? I mean did the aliens use stun too?

And for a matter of fact if they were wearing laser proof body armor they would have worn kevlar armor if the enterprise crew used slugthrowers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif .

Erax October 13th, 2003 02:14 PM

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I think Olmos will be just as good as Lorne Greene was, but different. This won't be the character you remember from the 70s, but probably a tougher, harsher Version.

gregebowman October 13th, 2003 02:28 PM

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I think Olmos will be just as good as Lorne Greene was, but different. This won't be the character you remember from the 70s, but probably a tougher, harsher Version.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I can live with that. Like I think I mentioned earlier, no one can replace Lorne Greene as Adama. That image of Pa Cartwright leading the BG will always be seared into the minds of anyone whoever saw the show. So he'll have his work cut out for him to revise the character. I can't wait for it to come out. Does anyone know the date yet? I don't get to watch the Sci-Fi channel like I want to.

mac5732 October 14th, 2003 03:51 AM

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Its either November or December, I thought more towards December, they have been showing excerpts of the new show on the Sci Fi channel, seen some cylon warships but not what the cylons themselves look like... should be interesting to see if its as good as the original was

just some ideas Mac

geoschmo October 14th, 2003 03:49 PM

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Well personally I don't think they would have to try that hard to make it better then the original. I loved BG as a kid, but I said it before in this thread, in retrospect and in comparison to the general level of quality in sci-fi these days it sucks. And I am not just talking about the effects, which were pretty bad even by 70's standards. I honestly think the show only did as well as it did at the time, which wasn't all that well Ratings wise, because it exsisted in an almost complete vacuum of sci-fi competition on TV.

Starhawk October 14th, 2003 06:48 PM

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Yeah I agree with Geoschmo I've seen the show in the 1990s and compared to other sci-fi shows that were running about at the time BG sucked raw meat.

And the date is monday december 8th I beleive.

And i know something you don't know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ....I saw the new Cylons.

Atrocities October 14th, 2003 09:02 PM

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Actualy the Ratings on the show were excellent, and ABC opted to continue the series, but the cost was to high. Coupled with the added expense the production company was encuring because of the Lucas lawsuites and the fact that Richard Hatch reportedly wanted more money, the producers decided to get out while the getting was good.

Later, by popular demand, they came out with that utter crap show BSG 1980. Kids in space.

What is funny is that in one episode of the Original BSG they showed the Apollo moon landing. ---- The producer of BSG 1980 then figured that it took the fleet 10 years to get to earth from that moment. Which really PO a lot of smart people because radio waves travel so slowly that by the time they would have gotten that far out and then take another 10 years for the fleet to get back to earth, Earth date would have been something like 2340 or so. LOL.

By then we would have been dust or so advanced that the Cyclons would have been nothing to us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 14, 2003, 20:07: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

narf poit chez BOOM October 14th, 2003 09:11 PM

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don't count on it. the cylons had i think 1200 years of technological development.

Wardad October 14th, 2003 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
Well personally I don't think they would have to try that hard to make it better then the original. I loved BG as a kid, but I said it before in this thread, in retrospect and in comparison to the general level of quality in sci-fi these days it sucks. And I am not just talking about the effects, which were pretty bad even by 70's standards. I honestly think the show only did as well as it did at the time, which wasn't all that well Ratings wise, because it exsisted in an almost complete vacuum of sci-fi competition on TV.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yup

geoschmo October 14th, 2003 09:49 PM

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Yeah I agree with Geoschmo I've seen the show in the 1990s and compared to other sci-fi shows that were running about at the time BG sucked raw meat.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I didn't say that. I said compared to the general level of quality today it sucked. For the time it wasn't bad.

What other sci-fi shows of the time? BG was about the only one wasn't it? Was Dr. Who on then? I think so. Although I don't remember seeing it over here.

gregebowman October 14th, 2003 10:27 PM

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Starhawk:
Yeah I agree with Geoschmo I've seen the show in the 1990s and compared to other sci-fi shows that were running about at the time BG sucked raw meat.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What other sci-fi shows of the time? BG was about the only one wasn't it? Was Dr. Who on then? I think so. Although I don't remember seeing it over here.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If I recall, about the only shows on the 3 networks back then were BG, Buck Rogers, and I think The 6 Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman (or whatever it was called) were about the only sci-fi shows on. There may have been the occassional tv sci-fi movie or failed pilot, but those are the only ones I remember from the late 70's.

As far as Dr. Who, I know it was on my local PBS, but I just never really watched it until the mid-80's when they started showing the episodes as a whole, instead of breaking it up over 4 to 6 segments.

[ October 14, 2003, 21:30: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

Atrocities October 14th, 2003 10:29 PM

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We should point out in all fairness that the first year for any series generally suck.

gregebowman October 14th, 2003 10:33 PM

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We should point out in all fairness that the first year for any series generally suck.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Generally that's true. I think the only ones I've seen that started out well and then sucked over time was Star Trek and The 6 Million Dollar Man. Both great 1st and 2nd years, and then tanked after that.

narf poit chez BOOM October 14th, 2003 10:34 PM

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john doe. didn't suck first year.


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