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Because it uses the ball with the shape God choose for the Universe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3175352.stm

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That's not a football shape, it's a soccer ball. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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No, it is a football http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Football is a game played by kicking the ball. Your favorite sport is technically Handball http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 09, 2003, 15:56: Message edited by: oleg ]

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Actually my favorite sport is Baseball, but that's another topic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

So Soccer should be renamed Headball? Kneeball? Chestball? Maybe, "Everything but your hands, unless you are the goalie and then you can use your hands too, Ball" I saw all those being used in a soccer game once. Right before I fell asleep that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, with all the penalty delays, video replay for disputed ref call delays, commerical break time outs, ad infinitum ad nauseam, we can't really use the "boring" argument against soccer anymore. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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OK NOW!!!!

Let's get a profesional US Football team to play one of your football teams in a mixed rules game.
You may run, but your gonna slow down sometime... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, with all the penalty delays, video replay for disputed ref call delays, commerical break time outs, ad infinitum ad nauseam, we can't really use the "boring" argument against soccer anymore. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, the delays in Football are anoying at times, but they are strategically placed to allow snack/bathroom breaks without missing any of the action. In soccer you can take a 2 hour bathroom break and not miss anything significant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Whew, that line at the snack bar took forever. What'd I miss?

Uh, they all ran this way for a while, then they all ran back the other way for a while. Actually I am not sure about any more then that cause I have been sitting here doing my taxes to keep from nodding off. But the score is still tied, zero-zero.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, given this quote from the article:

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'd say He modeled the Universe after Dungeons & Dragons.

And if He's the DM, I say He's totally cheap when it comes to handing out magic items. I'm, what, an 8th level peon and not one +1 sword in sight.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, with all the penalty delays, video replay for disputed ref call delays, commerical break time outs, ad infinitum ad nauseam, we can't really use the "boring" argument against soccer anymore. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, the delays in Football are anoying at times, but they are strategically placed to allow snack/bathroom breaks without missing any of the action. In soccer you can take a 2 hour bathroom break and not miss anything significant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As opposed to the fast action, never boring game of baseball. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How wbout they play a European rugy team instead? Those woosies wouldn't even step on a field with out 100 pounds of bullet proof armour. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh no. I would never argue Baseball isn't a lot slower then the other games. I like it for other reasons. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

When I say soccer is boring, it isn't because there is no action. There is always something happening. It's just that none of the action has any relation to the ultimate outcome of the game. It's 90 minutes of your life wasted watching a bunch of guys running around before they do some penalty kicks to decide the winner. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I dunno. I kinda like the part when someone does make a goal and for the next hour you get to hear "GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!!!!"

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Edit- Removed a few letters to make it not scroll the screen. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

(Moderator Edit- It was still scrolling on my screen. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif )

[ October 09, 2003, 17:24: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">At least he's generous with experience and doesn't penalize you too much for multiclassing.

-Loser
4th level gamer geek
4th level phone-jockey
3rd level computer geek
2nd level programmer
2nd level carouser

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Well, if you want a fast game with some good contact too, then you need to watch some lacrosse.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's the only fun part I find in Soccer. I tried yelling that once watching football once and no one seemed to like it very much. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I say we mix Football, Hockey, and Soccer into one mixed rules game and she who wins. I can just see Warren Sapp, or Derrick Brooks chasing someone off a Soccer team with a Hockey stick and that evil look in his eye... It'd make me wet my pants, that's for sure.
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, what you are describing is that Lacrosse Game that Thermo mentioned a bit ago. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 09, 2003, 17:26: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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IMO Hockey is the game. 5 player with sticks smacking a hard rubber disk around on ice. The goalie (up untill very recently) is padded everywhere but his neck.

The object of the game is to hit the goalie in the neck with the puck going over 100 mph! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Seriously, what other sport (besides the obvious fighting sports) lets you beat the crap out of an opponent and just get a 5 minut penalty for "roughing"!!

If you've ever watched NHL playoff hockey, it is far from boring....a far cry from that "futball" thing... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Football is The Game because it's universal. It's played all over the world. There are more nations filiated with FIFA than with the UN. Football has been used to unite peoples and prevent wars. It is played wherever there is open ground and a ball. No need for $100 worth of baseball equipment, football armor or hockey gear. It has become a universal language with no words, like chess or mathematics.

Needless to say, it is the world's most popular, most widely played sport by far. So I'm sorry to be the one to break the news, but you hockey, American football and baseball lovers are the weird ones. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Moreover, football is an integral part of Humanity Heritage. Here is a test:
When I say 1982, France-Germany, surely there are dozens of old geezers ready to supply me with the details ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Now, name ANY US sport action 20 years old and see if anybody have any clue http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Well, money talks and bull doody walks. Show me a soccer team with an 80 million dollar payroll. Show me a soccer team that Forbes values at .98 Billion dollars. That $980,000,000.00 for you Brits. Show me any team other than Football that has sold out 85,000 seats through 2038.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Football doesn't even need to mention the year, just say Jet vs. Colts and super bowl.

Or show the picture of Riggins running over the Miami safety and ask what game it was.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Amen. Although I'm assuming you meant Ice hockey when you say hockey. Field hockey is quite popular around the world.

Edit: IMHO, I think Americans would get into soccer only if they were to ever win the World Cup. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 09, 2003, 23:28: Message edited by: TerranC ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So what ? You have one league with about 50 teams(sorry, don't remember exact number ) in 150M people market. In Europe, there are 30+ leagues with THOUSANDS of teams competing for about the same money. No wonder there is no such monopoly <shrug>.

In fact, in 2-3 years superleague may emerge if top football clubs get their way with UEFA . I hope it will never happen. Football is a people game still.

If American-style sport businees prevail, we will see Barselona moving to Turin, because of the LOW tax break for a new stadium http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Can you imagine this ? Just read Thermo' post again and get to grip that it is all about money folks, not about national pride or any such nonsense. Just pay, you suckers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif Or we will move Dodgers back to NY http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ October 10, 2003, 00:24: Message edited by: oleg ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">First of all the Dodgers are a baseball team. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Your point about the number of teams isn't really valid. The 30 Team NFL is just the top level of professional Football players. There is Arena Football and several smaller semi-pro leagues, many of which likely outdraw some Pro Soccer teams. Then there are several levels of College football. Some of the bigger schools there out draw NFL teams in attendance. And literally thousands of highschool and youth Football teams. That's even bigtime sport in some towns.

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[quote]Originally posted by geoschmo:

Quote:

First of all the Dodgers are a baseball team. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh, yes, I know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Just coul't resist because of the Bob Doyle' lowest point http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif . Not sure about NFL equivalent though . Rams may be ? or houston oilers (notice the low case please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif ) -> Nashville Titans ? NHL is even worse IMHO. I lived 5 years in US. At first I tried to affiliate with some professional team but soon realized it is a crap and pure bull**** (if one exist of course). I stick with college teams since. They just don't jump around in a search of long buck and dumping loyal fans http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Go Longhorns !!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ October 10, 2003, 01:21: Message edited by: oleg ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">At least our fans only paint themselves and make loud noises at games. English soccer fans are world-renowned for being listed as WMD's. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">At least our fans only paint themselves and make loud noises at games. English soccer fans are world-renowned for being listed as WMD's. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hmm. I do vaguely remember some disturbances after Detroit Pistons game not far ago?

Anyway, football is a modern equivalent of war. American football is a ruse to present leggy cheer leaders to the prudish customers.

Lads, can you imagine such a sceanary at Anfield ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif They' never walk alone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Sorry after having watched both games of "Soccer" and "Gridiron" I would have to pass on both of them.
At a nil-all Soccer game, you are lucky if you see just one brawl while leaving the match, while the padded Gridiron players, appear to be more worried about getting hurt than playing the game.

Now Australian Rules Football and its cousin, Gailic Football, now they are sports. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

I suppose I have to say how great the Rudby is too, since Australia is hosting the "Rugby World Cup" which starts later today.
Mind you I'm sick of their advertising - "Get your Rugby World Cup tickets now, and see a Once in a Life Time Event, that only happens every 4 years". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Possibly. But that's basketball. And even then, you don't see Pistons fans being rated as more deadly than the French Army.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's nothing. You should see what gets on the commericals during the games nowadays... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ October 10, 2003, 10:30: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which IMO is precissly the reason why I'm so turned off by professional sports in NA. Although never a football fan I used to be a big baseball fan. But when 99.99% of the players vote to go on strike with the wages they are making it really turns me off.

[ October 10, 2003, 11:43: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wish I could ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Channel5 has commercial ties with ABC and shows Monday Night and ESPN games. But during commercial breaks they go back to the studio and broadcast two babbling imbecile commentators whith less knowledge of the game than I do http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

[ October 10, 2003, 13:22: Message edited by: oleg ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It was a marvelious opening ceremony. Really good job. The game was tough. Argentina played rather well.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How wbout they play a European rugy team instead? Those woosies wouldn't even step on a field with out 100 pounds of bullet proof armour. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey! We play American Football over here too you know. Not widely know and not widely loved but the people playing the sport over here really love the game.
As for me, I also play in a team here in Belgium and starting my 3th season.
Woohoo! I'll never forget the rush (read: near cardiac arrest) when i stood on the field to participate in my first kickoff. Man, did my ticker go. Now, i'm a bit heavier so i'm the one giving hits http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Edit: Oh, i forgot to mention that i play soccer too. Indoor soccer to be precise. I'm not that super good but i defend well. That's why i started my own indoor soccer team. I get to play every time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I like to PLAY both games. But for watching: FOOTBALL BABY!

[ October 11, 2003, 00:59: Message edited by: minipol ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">First of all, what has money got to do with it? Nothing at all. And if you say "$980,000,000.00 for you Brits", make the effort and convert it to pounds instead of dollars http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What you have over here in Europe with Soccer is that you many many professional teams like Oleg mentioned but that are even more amature teams where people play. I always wondered if you have such teams in the US. I know you have such baseball teams.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">First of all, what has money got to do with it? Nothing at all. And if you say "$980,000,000.00 for you Brits", make the effort and convert it to pounds instead of dollars http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now you are just being naive. Money has everything to do with it. American football does not have much grassroot support outside of the states largely because of the cost to equip a team. And in areas where medical care is limited, it would be foolish to play such a game.

The money comes from the fans of the game. Directly or indirectly by way of advertising. No other sport generates the revenue that football does. Many universities use football income to support a large part of their athletic budgets. It should also be noted that at the collegiate level and above, football is not a game that can be played on Sunday and be fit for work on Monday. So there is not much club football for adults. Many of the high schools here in the states draw 10s of thousands of fans to a game each week. Some high schools draw 50K a game, that’s a lot of paying people to watch kids play. Around here the schools draw a couple of thousand paying and about an equal number of students. And counting the prep schools, that’s about sixty high school games a weekend in one county.

While soccer is more universally accepted, it has nowhere near the ability to generate income. Even here, there will be more youth soccer in my town than football. But as these kids get to high school, the soccer players drop way off...

As to converting to pounds, email me if you need it done for you, I do sterling converts all the time. Perhaps you would rather have it in euros so that you will have some idea of its purchasing power.

Actually here it is 589,154,743.30 GBP, so skip the email.

While we are on the subject, any of you guys know why it’s called sterling? You Brits are assumed to know.

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>While soccer is more universally accepted, it has nowhere near the ability to generate income. Even here, there will be more youth soccer in my town than football. But as these kids get to high school, the soccer players drop way off...

Maybe today. But let's see what whether that is still the case in 50 years or whatever. Soccer is still comparitively new to the States so your comparison is meaningless. When I walk past playgrounds these days in the US, they look like the ones I saw back in UK, everyone is playing football... err I mean soccer. In 50 years those kids will be deciding where the cash goes.

[ October 11, 2003, 02:03: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

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>When I say soccer is boring, it isn't because there is no action. There is always something happening. It's just that none of the action has any relation to the ultimate outcome of the game. It's 90 minutes of your life wasted watching a bunch of guys running around before they do some penalty kicks to decide the winner.

Geo, while I agree some soccer games are dull, you could say the same about any sport. Watch these games if ever you get the chance and tell me they are 90 mins of boredom...

England-Germany World Cup 1990
Italy-Brazil WC 1982
Argentina-Holland WC 1978
England-Turkey - tomorrow

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hhhhm. That's weird. Here in Europe, the amature teams play at sundays and then we all merely go to work on monday. Sure it hurts in the morning but hey, no pain no gain. It's really hard to imagine that you don't have average joes playing football over there.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And involving my country:
Belgium - Russia 4-3 WC 1986
Belgium was bigtime underdog in this tourney and they finished 4th.

[ October 11, 2003, 02:06: Message edited by: minipol ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's not true at all, I played prep school soccer in the 70's. And my dad did the same in the 40's. I will agree that it has become much more popular of late. But here the peak was in the early 90's, it has fallen off a lot since then.

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yes, Minipol, I remember that game now. Anything but 90 mins of boredom... :-)

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The peak in the early 90's wasn;t really a peak IMO. That started after the WC here in 94. The kids weren't really involved, not like they are now. Most of the guys I work with are in their late 20's and have never played the game, and they would have if the ealry 90's was the peak. All their kids play now. The times are changing...

[ October 11, 2003, 02:15: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">First of all, what has money got to do with it? Nothing at all. And if you say "$980,000,000.00 for you Brits", make the effort and convert it to pounds instead of dollars http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now you are just being naive. Money has everything to do with it. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I do hope your basing this claim on more than the payroll of a single time. Since I gather there are many many more pro socer teams in Europe than pro football in America the comparison is meaningless.
And no money has nothing to do with making a good sport. If 10,000 fans pay $50 to see a pro foot ball game in the US and 100,000 pay $1 to see soccer game does this mean football is better?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">First of all, what has money got to do with it? Nothing at all. And if you say "$980,000,000.00 for you Brits", make the effort and convert it to pounds instead of dollars http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now you are just being naive. Money has everything to do with it. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I do hope your basing this claim on more than the payroll of a single time. Since I gather there are many many more pro socer teams in Europe than pro football in America the comparison is meaningless.
And no money has nothing to do with making a good sport. If 10,000 fans pay $50 to see a pro foot ball game in the US and 100,000 pay $1 to see soccer game does this mean football is better?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your numbers tell the story. The NFL reports gate plus concessions to be about $180,000,000.00 a week during the regular season. Add to that the National TV money and the off site concessions, and your guys are going to need to be watching $1 soccer games for about 12 days a week. We have soccer on TV here, but it is a looser for the networks with the exception of world cup and Olympics. And the local pro soccer team can barely fill the lower deck of the old (small) football stadium. UMD just had a championship soccer game. They didn’t even need to use the stadium, and the tickets were given away.

I think the argument here is misplaced. Soccer is a sport for the masses to play. Football is a spectator sport for the masses. And while they are both sports, they really are like apples and oranges. Or lobster and shrimp. While of the same family, they have very little in common. And like it or not, in all but about 10 countries in this world, profit is the universal measuring stick.

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>And like it or not, in all but about 10 countries in this world, profit is the universal measuring stick.

Not amongst the kids it isn't .... they'll play what they consider to be the most fun, and they're the ones who'll determine what will be profitable for the next generation, like it or not.

The times are changing...

[ October 11, 2003, 02:52: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Bullcrap! They buy what is marketed to them. Sure there are always new trends, but dollar wise, they buy what is advertised.

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Bullcrap yourself. Who said anything about buying? I'm talking about playing.

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And of course, just to play devils-advocate of course, if soccer was so untenable profitwise, why are all the kids being marketed to to play soccer... just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Or maybe these markting guys know something you don't, or something you won't admit? You argue that soccer is profitless, then at the same time you say the only reason folk play in the states is because that is what is being 'marketed' to them, buy, excuse me if I'm worng, prople who are extemely profit-driven. Makes no sense to me...

[ October 11, 2003, 03:07: Message edited by: gravey101 ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Marketed how? Kids have always played sports. If soccer is such a draw, why is there so little of it on TV? There is more golf and car racing than soccer.