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Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Maerlyn:
Hi guys, since the Last time I was wondering about something so many of you replied so fast, I thought that it would be worth another try. so here it goes

Here we go, I don't promise to answer every query though. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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1. is there a way of deploying fewer sattelites from a ship with sat launching components than 4 sats per component?

If you are playing with "normal" movement, the answer is easy enough, use the "Launch/Recover" button. However, in simultaneous movement (I assume you are playing with this movement), you will have to use two ships to do that. One of them stores the satellite(s) you want to launch, the other the satellites you want to keep. Or play a mod that features a component launching only a satellite per turn.

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2. is it possible to cloak the sattelites BEFORE I launch them? otherwise they would be visible for at least one turn which I need to cloak them.

I don't believe you can do that, but I may be wrong. (I never found a way to automatically cloak these cloaked ships/units)

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3. Is there a way to choose which units to be launched first? f.e. first deploy these sattelites than the other kind of sattelites?

I would believe they are deployed in the order they are stored in the ship. You will have to use a cargo ship I'm afraid if you want to change the order. (In simulatenous move)

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4. About long range scanners, I build some of them only to realise, that they dont scan. I thought they would scan the entire system, but they dont. what are they exactly doing?

They allow you to scan in detail a ship/unit/planet at the indicated range.

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is the lvl 1 longrange scanner really only scanning the surrounding sectors?
if this is true, am I right that it makes very little sense to build lvl 1 "long range" scanners (btw: what does "long range" mean in this case http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Yes, they allow only a scan of the surrounding sectors. However, keep in mind a sector is 10 light-years in SE:IV, which definitively qualifies as long range in my book. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif The main advantage of the first level scanner is that they are much cheaper to research. (100,000 points after the prerequisite research, which is Physics if memory serves right) The other levels are not worth it IMO.

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are long range scanners worth it at all?
how do you use them?

It is worth it if you like to spy on the enemy fleet. Could be useful to know if they are lacking, say, PDC, or if they have a "secret plan" ready. However, the Scattering Armor prevents you to use long range scanners, and the Scattering Armor is widely used because of its +15% defense bonus. So I fear you will have to use another way to gain their designs in the long run.

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is a ship scanned with long range scanners copied in my "enemy ship design" data file, or do I need to battle those ships first?
how long do know the scanned data about a ship, as long as it is in range of my scanners? as long as I stay in vision contact to it? forever?
can I also scan the cargo of a ship/planet?
does anybody use scanner jammers?

The designs should be copied in your data file, at least it works for ships. (Never tried with units though) I used them against Loser recently, I learnt he was lacking PDC, but he didn't give me the time to put a few seekers and fighters to "welcome" his fleet. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I digress.
You know the data about the ship forever. Except if the ship is retroffited obviously. You can scan the cargos and the planets, you can even know what is being built at a space yard.
I have yet to see a use for scanner jammers when Scattering Armor does the same thing, with a +15% defense bonus.

I don't know about question five.

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6. why does it so often fail if I try to gift a ship/starmap of whatever to another player? is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

Are you talking about the AI? It doesn't always accept your gifts. It worked fine in multiplayer when I tried a trade with someone.

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7. in a simultanous turn game, which units are deployed, can be deployed, during combat? drones? mines? fighters? sattelites?
what do I have to do to get this units deployed?

Fighters and drones are launched during combat, automatically I believe. You can only specify the number of drones that are launched against a target, and the size of fighter squadrons. But as you won't launch all the units at the same time, it is best if you launch them the turn before the battle, if possible.

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8. there is no way of getting a talisman equipped ship to NOT hit me, right? so it makes little sense to equip ships with ECM jammers in order to fight Talisman ships, right?

You are unfortunately right. The talisman does NOT follow the usual formulas, and automatically applies a 100% chance to hit no matter what. (While the regular maximum is 99%)

I don't know either about question 9, as I don't know about the mechanisms of ground combat. I would say fighting milicia is not a problem usually, and I am more in favour of weapons than armour on units. (How much damage can the small armour withstand? Three? Four? While a ground cannon does 15 damage every turn. Or is it only true for fighters?)

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

Filling in the blank for question 5...

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Originally posted by Maerlyn:
5. the amount of damage my space ships take when they travel through a "strange" warp point. is this damage totally random?

No more random than any other damage. It gets applied to defenses, then internals (I don't recall if it skips shields or not).

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does it (also) depend on the size of the ship? does it also depend on the number of ships entering such a warp gate at the same time?

No and no. Each ship, of whatever size, receives the same amount of damage.

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what is the maximum damage these ships could be dealt to by a warpgate?

Depends on what is specified in the terrain text file. If it's Fyron's Quadrant mod, I think the scurvy dog set the damage on some of them as high as 200 points. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by General Woundwort:
No more random than any other damage. It gets applied to defenses, then internals (I don't recall if it skips shields or not).

It should skip the shields according to the newbie FAQ among other sources. (Shields do not protect against mines and damaging warp points. Armour does) But I never checked, as I am not keen on shields to begin with.

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Originally posted by Maerlyn:

6. why does it so often fail if I try to gift a ship/starmap of whatever to another player? is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

Yes it is a know bug.

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Maerlyn:
8. there is no way of getting a talisman equipped ship to NOT hit me, right? so it makes little sense to equip ships with ECM jammers in order to fight Talisman ships, right?

Easy to avoid being hit by a talisman equipped ship. Exterminate that race before it can build the talsiman. Otherwise, prepare to die.
No, I am not talismanophobic http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . It is Ruatha who is http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Maerlyn:

2. is it possible to cloak the sattelites BEFORE I launch them? otherwise they would be visible for at least one turn which I need to cloak them.

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Yes, they allow only a scan of the surrounding sectors. However, keep in mind a sector is 10 light-years in SE:IV, which definitively qualifies as long range in my book.

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The benefit of long range scanners is that it allows you to see the components, cargo, supply, etc. of another players ship.

If the ship is within range, you can right click on it and get this info, just like you right click on your own to get this info.

In simultaneous, the greater range for higher level is all the more important, since you can't move your ships into range.

This info doesn't arrive automatically, and is never copied into your enemy designs. Only combat and treaty shares result in that.

[ November 03, 2003, 16:08: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

re: jammers
On racial tech ships (crystallurgy/organic) it makes sense to load up on racial armor as benefits stack, and that extra 10kT can be fitted with the Jammer. Might not be the most efficient way, but it works for me.

A few questions from a Newbie

Hi guys, since the Last time I was wondering about something so many of you replied so fast, I thought that it would be worth another try. so here it goes:

1. is there a way of deploying fewer sattelites from a ship with sat launching components than 4 sats per component?
f.e. I build some spying sattelites and I only wanna drop one sattelite per system, is this possible?

2. is it possible to cloak the sattelites BEFORE I launch them? otherwise they would be visible for at least one turn which I need to cloak them.

3. Is there a way to choose which units to be launched first? f.e. first deploy these sattelites than the other kind of sattelites?

4. About long range scanners, I build some of them only to realise, that they dont scan. I thought they would scan the entire system, but they dont. what are they exactly doing?
is the lvl 1 longrange scanner really only scanning the surrounding sectors?
if this is true, am I right that it makes very little sense to build lvl 1 "long range" scanners (btw: what does "long range" mean in this case http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )
are long range scanners worth it at all?
how do you use them?
is a ship scanned with long range scanners copied in my "enemy ship design" data file, or do I need to battle those ships first?
how long do know the scanned data about a ship, as long as it is in range of my scanners? as long as I stay in vision contact to it? forever?
can I also scan the cargo of a ship/planet?
does anybody use scanner jammers?

5. the amount of damage my space ships take when they travel through a "strange" warp point. is this damage totally random?
does it (also) depend on the size of the ship? does it also depend on the number of ships entering such a warp gate at the same time?
do always all ships in a fleet that enter such a warpgate at the same time receive the same amount of damage?
what is the maximum damage these ships could be dealt to by a warpgate?

6. why does it so often fail if I try to gift a ship/starmap of whatever to another player? is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

7. in a simultanous turn game, which units are deployed, can be deployed, during combat? drones? mines? fighters? sattelites?
what do I have to do to get this units deployed?

8. there is no way of getting a talisman equipped ship to NOT hit me, right? so it makes little sense to equip ships with ECM jammers in order to fight Talisman ships, right?

9. about troops, does it make sense to equip them with armor if they only battle population?
should I build my troops with weapons dealing "more" damage or rather with weapons with an increased range?

lots of questions, I know, thanx for answering them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif , but you dont need to answer all of them, whoever feels like answering one, please go ahead.

[ November 02, 2003, 12:43: Message edited by: Maerlyn ]

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Ruatha:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maerlyn:

2. is it possible to cloak the sattelites BEFORE I launch them? otherwise they would be visible for at least one turn which I need to cloak them.

If they have stealth armour they will be automaticly cloaked when deployed, altough it doesn't seem like it, the enemy won't see them unless he has sensors. <hr /></blockquote>Are you sure? I think you have to activate stealth armor, too, so you can see the satellite one turn.

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Yes, they allow only a scan of the surrounding sectors. However, keep in mind a sector is 10 light-years in SE:IV, which definitively qualifies as long range in my book.

No... a sector is one square on the system map. It is 1/12th the width of a system. The squares on the galaxy map are not sectors, they are just squares. A sector is nowhere near 10 light years. <hr /></blockquote>Hmm, what is 10 light years wide then? I read something along these lines in this forum, but it is likely I misundersoot the post. Is that the width of a system? And yes, you are right, as you can see by looking at the distances on the galaxy map.

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Mephisto:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ruatha:
If they have stealth armour they will be automaticly cloaked when deployed, altough it doesn't seem like it, the enemy won't see them unless he has sensors.

Are you sure? I think you have to activate stealth armor, too, so you can see the satellite one turn. [/QB]<hr /></blockquote>This was a bug noted with stealth armor on sats. Once installed on one sat in the stack, the enitre stack is cloaked - activated or not.

This is seen as a bug because a cloaked sat stack at the warp point no longer attacks when an enemy comes through.

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

ok, so I was wrong in at least one point: the discussion aint settled yet!

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

Maerlyn, Welcome to the Shrapnel Games' Space Empires Intel forums. You'll find that a discussion is rarely settled in here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Taera:
... You'll find that a discussion is rarely settled in here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

But that is a bad sign. Why have it in the first place if you are seeking answers not futher confusion ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Arkcon:
... a cloaked sat stack at the warp point no longer attacks when an enemy comes through.

Not at all. It is just french satellites http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Alneyan:
Hmm, what is 10 light years wide then? I read something along these lines in this forum, but it is likely I misundersoot the post. Is that the width of a system? And yes, you are right, as you can see by looking at the distances on the galaxy map.

That would be one massive system! I think our solar system is about a light hour or so across. It is ~8 light minutes from the Earth to the Sun. A system is a tiny portion of the 10 LY x 10 LY square on the galaxy map.

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thanx a REAL LOT guys!!! just 24 hours have past and you answered all my questions, had a little discussion about them and settled them. wow, this is great!

so what does this mean? two possibilties:

1. this community is great!
or
2. none of you has got anything to do in his sparetime since seiv.pbw.cc is down and so you hang out on this forum hunting for newbie questions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

but nevermind, what ever might be the reason, thanx a lot http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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2. none of you has got anything to do in his sparetime since seiv.pbw.cc is down and so you hang out on this forum hunting for newbie questions

of course. that's it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

i like poking fun at all those people with nothing to do but PBW. truthfully, most newbie questions are answered fast.

Re: A few questions from a Newbie

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Originally posted by Arkcon:
This was a bug noted with stealth armor on sats. Once installed on one sat in the stack, the enitre stack is cloaked - activated or not.

This is seen as a bug because a cloaked sat stack at the warp point no longer attacks when an enemy comes through.

Well, there is a caveat -- if the enemy fleet has an anti cloak sensor, then they initiate combat after warp.

It happens with cloaked fleets too, it's just that you can turn on and off the fleet cloak. The bug is the sat stack.

[ November 04, 2003, 19:14: Message edited by: Arkcon ]