It\'s time for a new Tournament...Ratings Bash I
 

Announcing the start of the Ratings Bash I

This will be a simple four round, invitational tournament. Players will be seeded according to their current standings in Slynky's Space Empires IV Ratings Page.

This tournament is by invitation to the top 16 players currently listed in the Ratings. If any of the 16 choose not to compete, alternates will be chosen in order from the remaining players after the top 16. If 16 of the players in the current Ratings are not interested in competing, unranked players will be seeded at the bottom on a first some first serve basis, but the tournament will not be expanded beyond 16 players.

Here are the current rankings. The Ratings change constantly as games finish, but for tourney purposes these will be the rankings used.

<table spacing=1><tr><th>Tourney Seed</th><th>Current Ranking</th><th>Player</th><th>Rating</th><th>Games</th></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>Asmala</td><td>1047</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>Bbegemott</td><td>1032</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>Primitive</td><td>1030</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>Slynky</td><td>1029</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>5</td><td>RexTorres</td><td>1018</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>Gecko</td><td>1016</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>Alneyan</td><td>1015</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>Baron Grazic</td><td>1015</td><td>3</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>10</td><td>Gandalph</td><td>1015</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>Parabolize</td><td>997</td><td>4</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>Joachim</td><td>985</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>13</td><td>Roanon</td><td>985</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>14</td><td>Steal Dragon</td><td>985</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>Georgig</td><td>984</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>18</td><td>Lord Chane</td><td>984</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>16</td><td>Gozguy</td><td>984</td><td>1</td></tr><tr><td>Ranked Alternates</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>Geoschmo</td><td>974</td><td>6</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>Chronon</td><td>969</td><td>2</td></tr><tr><td>22</td><td>Deccan</td><td>953</td><td>3</td></tr></table>
Want's to play, Unranked, but in the rankings alternates: (first come first served)
00 Tesco Samoa

Want's to play, Unranked and not in the rankings alternates: (first come first served)
None yet

Unable to participate at this time:
7 Phoenix-D
17 GrandpaKim
19 Loser

Here's the current bracket: This is subject to change if any of the invitees choose not to compete.

Check the bracket here.


All games will be one on one, Koth style. Game settings can be tweaked if the players both agree to it, but I will encourage no changes that will cause the games to go on too long. The idea is to get through this in a reasonable amount of time.

All players will agree to have the results of their games used for ranking purposes.

I will contact everybody by email, but feel free to state here if you are not interested.

Geoschmo

[ February 13, 2004, 18:14: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Something I just noticed. The bottom of the rankings has a cluster of four players at 984 points. These are arbitrarily ranked alphabetically as:

15 Georgig 984 1
16 Gozguy 984 1
17 GrandpaKim 984 1
18 Lord Chane 984 1

This is fine for the rankings, but not really fair to leave someone out of the tourney based on the letters in their name. Probably at least two of the top 16 won't play and then it won't be an issue. But if it is I will take these four players in the order they respond either in the thread or by email to notify me they wish to play. The alternative would be to have a play in game, but I really don't want to add another round.

Geoschmo

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count me in :-) and i really don't care who will kick by butt but i prefer not to face rextorres or asmala which will be humiliating :-P

what about grid expand? i mean losers to face each other so we all can play four games? and i will know that i am at.. say.. 19th place

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah, we can do that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Georgig, how could you be 19th out of 16 players? I believe that will be a bit hard. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (In the tournament that is, there can be only 16 players)

I support your idea though, it will be useful for us who do not stand a chance of winning more than one game. (Even if I do pass against Grazic, I will likely face Asmala. So. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

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ahh i thought this is an 18 players tournament :-P

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strange... i joined the Ratings system... and i am in a few rated games... but not on the page...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Unless you have completed a rated game you won't show up on the list. If you are interested I'll put you down as the 7th alternate. That's not as bad as it sounds. I figure you got a decent chance at making it in.

I have updated the bracket with consoloation brackets. Everybody gets four games now, win or lose.

Geoschmo

[ November 25, 2003, 19:03: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Tesco, all the people with an uncompleted Ratings game start with a 1000 points. Since we don't "really" know their ability, it seemed unfair to list players with the starting 1,000 points AHEAD of those who had completed a game, yet lost. So, we have over 30 members, I think, and 22 have completed at least one game.

Since Geo started the tourney, I'd hate to step on his feet but he might consider letting those with no games completed yet a member of the Ratings system act as alternates. Just a thought.

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I'm in.

Now...REALLY back to yard work this time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif .

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Good idea. Done.

Slynky, can you give me a list of people who are in the rankings now but have not completed a game yet?

[ November 25, 2003, 19:12: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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A Ratings tourney! Yes, that rocks! A new vehicle to lower my rating... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I'm in!

Gecko

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Great tournament idea. Count me in.

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Can't miss this one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I'm in.
Even if only to restart and finish the KOTH game Alneyan & myself were in. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Good idea. Done.

Slynky, can you give me a list of people who are in the rankings now but have not completed a game yet? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep (alpha):

Alneyan
Asmala
Baron Grazic
Bbegemott
Chronon
Coregonas *
Cybersol *
Deccan
E3 *
Excimer-500 *
Fire *
Gandalph
Gecko
Georgig
Geoschmo
Gozguy
GrandpaKim
Jimbob *
Joachim
Lord Chane
Loser
Parabolize
Parasite *
Phoenix-D
Primitive
RexTorres
Roanon
Slynky
Steal Dragon
Tesco samoa *
Tia *

[ November 25, 2003, 22:16: Message edited by: Slynky ]

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Me Too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cant play too many games.....

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When someone gets a chance could you explain how seeding works? I don't watch tennis http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

I thought 1-8 played 9-16 (1 vs 9, 2 vs 10, etc.).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I based it off the NCAA basketball bracket, but I suppose tennis is handled the same way. The idea is that you reward the better players performance leading up to the tourney by giving them the "easiest road" into the final game. So the best player plays the worst player in the tourney. The second best plays the 2nd from the bottom, etc. The bracket is arranged to that at each round assuming the "right player" wins you will always have the best player playing the worst player left. So in round 2 you have 1 playing 8, round three you have 1 playing 4. Of course the better ranked player does not always win. You still have to play the games. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Well the good news is this seems to be getting a lot of response. The bad news unfortunatly is that this means it's likely that some of the alternates may end up disapointed. Myself included. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Lord Chane responded a couple of hours before Gozguy, so he snagged the 16th seed for the moment and Gozguy is now 1st alternate. However, there are still four people that haven't responded so Gozguy still has a chance of making it in I think.

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Oh, rated tourney! I'm in of course!

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Gandalf had to leave (at least for a while) if I remember correctly. So you still have a chance Geo to make it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Grazic, that is exactly what I thought when I saw the bracket. The next thing I noticed was that Asmama is just above, and Slynky and Rex just below. Do you believe any of us stand a chance against one of them? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I suppose if there is enough interest in this from the alternates and other unranked players I could do a second tournament bracket for those people. Any opinions?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hehe, with that kind of name change, Asmala could then start saying, "Who's yer mama!?" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Oh, by the way, don't worry about me so much. Rex and Asmala are the real problems http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif .

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*Grumbles* Sorry Asmala about the typo, I was... erh... I was sleepy as it was two when I wrote this post. Yes, two pm, but still.

Of course not, I shouldn't worry about you, after all I won my Last game with you. Or did I? Well, perhaps I only succeeded in making you doubt as if I had some trick right under my sleeve. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (While it was a defeat in all other fields obviously) But for now, Grazic and then Asmala are my real concerns. Good luck to you Slynky! I do hope we play again in this tournament, as it would mean we both made it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif (Or that we both lost our games during the same round eh)

[ November 26, 2003, 14:39: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

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Only three players left to accept the invitation. That means the games will start soon http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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sounds good geo as i am in the disappointed cat.... Hey if you have another 16 players then you can have two brackets ... just mix them up a little more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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or even if you have 8 more.... take the bottom 8 and the the unranked and have them pair off in a pre round http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif then the 8 make it.....to meet the big 8 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

hmm.... or i have 20 dollars with your name on it

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I know I'm new here, but it might be done the way we play our year-end Sunday tournament in horseshoe league. The field is broken into two divisions, so that the folks who are new to the game have half a chance to escape rapid elimination. That way your alternates might even get a chance to play. Eligibility could be determined by some kind of "seeding" within the divisions as I saw someone else suggest....just a thought. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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The key idea of the tourney for me was to have the players seeded by rank. That kind of breaks down if you have a bunch of unranked players mixed in. If there are enough players for an other 8 or 16 player bracket I'll set it up. I will keep it separate from the Ratings Bash I bracket though and give it random seeding.

Phoenix-D had to beg off playing in another game, so the bracket has been shuffled up a bit. Gozguy is in.

Still waiting to hear from Roanon and Gandalph. I guess Gandalph won't be back on line at least till next week so I can probably jsut skip him over. That will put me in the tourney. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Haven't heard from Chronon or Deccan if they are interested or not. If Roanon doesn't reply I can use one of them if they reply, or Tesco will get the Last spot if they don't.

Geoschmo

[ November 26, 2003, 16:08: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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In fact, the more I think about it, I am going to set up the games tonight. If I don't hear from Roanon, Gandalph, Chronon or Deccan by then I will put myself and Tesco in as the Last two seeds. If one of more of them email me or post then I will set them up accordingly.

After I set up the games I will come back here and start a new thread taking names for a random seed bracket. That I can leave open till next week and if any of those guys that missed out for not responding want to play they can join that one.

Geoschmo

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Geo, I'm pretty sure Deccan will be leaving and unavailable for about a month pretty soon. So, I'm not sure his plans would permit him to play. Of course I don't speak for him...but I wouldn't place much reliance on his ability to join up.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's good. If they don't reply today they are probably so busy they would slow down the game.

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Also, I certainly don't want to throw a wrench into all the hard work you've done and plans you have made so, as a suggestion for a future "Bash", I'd suggest Swiss System Chess pairing. The good thing about this sort of matching system is that it does the same (nearly) as your NCAA system does in that it seeds people similarly (if 16 people, then 1 plays 9, etc.). After that, all the people who won the round are then paired in order of rank, the list broken in half again with the top half playing the lower half till eventually, all the people who have the most round wins have to play each other. To get a clear tourney winner, 4 rounds (I think) will handle 16-20 people. 5 rounds for 40 people or so. Chess tournements rarely have 7 rounds since 6 rounds handles around 100. So, besides being similar to the bracket type pairing (you start off playing players weaker than you if you are in the top half), it doesn't have any dependancy on a set number of people. With Swiss System pairing, 17 could show up, 27, or 22 or whatever. If an odd number, there is a method for cmputing who gets the "bye".

Anyway, just something to consider for the future "Bashes" (then there wouldn't be any need to set it up for a certain number of people...whoever wanted to enter could enter).

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Okay, here is the final offical Ratings Bash I tournament bracket. I will begin setting up the games shortly. I will assign you to a game and then you just need to upload your empires after touching base with your opponent to see if there will be any non-Koth standard settings.

Check the bracket here.

[ December 10, 2003, 18:42: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This type of bracketing can have byes as well. And I could throw in "Play in games" if I want to make an odd number of players. I prefer the even number though regardless of bracket type. A player with a bye in a chess tourney has to wait, what an hour for a game? With an Se4 tourney it more like a week minimum, and perhaps much longer.

Re: It\'s time for a new Tournament...Ratings Bash I
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This type of bracketing can have byes as well. And I could throw in "Play in games" if I want to make an odd number of players. I prefer the even number though regardless of bracket type. A player with a bye in a chess tourney has to wait, what an hour for a game? With an Se4 tourney it more like a week minimum, and perhaps much longer. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, I don't watch sports, so I'm not aware of all the ins and outs of bracket stuff, it just seems like I always hear in the news about 64, then 32, then the final 16, etc. If there is a way, then that's fine. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

As to a person getting a bye? It's better to be in the tourney and get a bye than to not be in it at all.

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Hey Tesco, we're enemies now, first time ever http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
In two games I've been your ally but never your enemy so this will be interesting.

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Good luck Tesco, you will need it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif I wish you good luck Geo, I rely on you to defeat Rex (and Parabolize as well I gather) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Grazic, it seems like both of us are cursed, as we won't play together for now. I don't know, but there is something that prevents us from being in the same game. Thus I am afraid for the Pairs game. *Smirks*

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Hey, guys, how do you think I feel? I got paired against my best friend. We've been playing for years (PBEM before PBW). He knows me inside out! We discuss strategy all the time as we discuss our games with each other. How do you think it feels to be in a game like that? I think I'd rather play the "Finnish Fiend" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Finally, as things get under way, I'd like to start off the "Thanks" to Geo. It's a lot of aggravation doing this sort of stuff and it takes time to run things. And trying to find a way to get as many players in who want to play as can be done. I'd give him another 5 rating but I can only do it once.

So, THANKS, Geo, you put the "Play" in PBW! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Be careful what you pray for, you may very well get it. (I don't remember the exact phrasing as you can see) Asmala isn't too far from you Slynky in the brackets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And I am convinced Gozguy would welcome you to take his place against the Dweller of the Chilly Land known as Finland. *Smirks*

I second Slynky thanks to Geo, what else could I add? You could add another 5 stars rating Slynky, all you need is another account just for this purpose. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

(Edited because of poor syntax)

[ November 26, 2003, 21:38: Message edited by: Alneyan ]

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Alneyan, we seem to be fighting....

Standard Koth, no Ancient?

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Hi Alneyan.
I guess if we both want to go head-to-head we both just have to win every match and be in the finial against each other. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Good luck Parabolize. Standard Koth settings?

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Just to liven it up a bit (evil grin) and to be like all the betting places one can check the odds on, here are my predictions for the first round:

Asmala vs Tesco: Asmala
Baron Grazic vs Parabolize: Toss up
Slynky vs Lord Chane: Lord Chane (he has my "number")
RexTorres vs Georgig: RexTorres (though I wonder a bit)
BBegemott vs Geschmo: I would say toss up but I gotta go with BB's KOTH record and say him
Alneyan vs Joachim: Toss up
Primitive vs GozGuy: Primitive (I don't think Goz can stop the steamroller)
Gecko vs Steal Dragon: Toss up (can't say I know much about each)

Just to add some "juice" to the fun...please (!) no hard feelings http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

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I've gotta disagree with you in some of them.
My predictions - Player 1 in every game of round 1.
Sorry, Parabolize, I've gotta back myself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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baron grazic- could we play with no intel? other than that i am happy with KOTH settings.

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Asmala has beaten me before in Koth...

I think I will give him a run for his money.... I have taught him a few things... He has def'n taught me a few things...


well i wanted a rating game I got the hard one....

Worse case would be you must face Primative and Asmala.... partnered...

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nice game description

If you don't know why I stuck you in this game I must have made a mistake. Send me an email and let me know.

hehe.... so what are the settings for the game ??

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Can I bet against myself http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif