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Ruatha December 12th, 2003 09:08 AM

Can\'t retrofit.
 
I have 300 000+ of each resource, every resource is in a positive balance.
i'm not using resource converters and I'm not trading/gifting any resorces.
And I can't retrofit a single ship, none!
I get the message:
You do not have enough resources to finance this retrofit!!

Oh yes I do!!!
If it should be a to large retrofit I'm used to getting a mesage telling me that we can't build an entire new ship, but i don't get that message now.
I've tried severeal turns with several ships but: nothing!

The Last retrofits I've tried was from
13 kt minerals
1 kt orgs
3,6 kt rads
to
14 kt minerals
1 kt orgs
3,6 rads.


What's up??

[ December 12, 2003, 07:12: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

ghrialton December 12th, 2003 09:11 AM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
I could be wrong, but I think you can only retrofit a ship up to 150% of it's original value.

One way to get around this is to retrofit a ship multiple times. Just do it in smaller increments, and the appropriate repairs will add on at the end.

I'm sure that by doing a search on the forums you'll find a better answer.

Roanon December 12th, 2003 10:11 AM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
From 13 to 14 kt minerals should hardly be more than 150%. Also, Ruatha mentioned that he did NOT get the message "can't build an entire new ship" which hints at that mistake.

300k+ of every resorce - stored? Remember, retrofit happens *before* income.

Ruatha December 12th, 2003 10:18 AM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Roanon:
From 13 to 14 kt minerals should hardly be more than 150%. Also, Ruatha mentioned that he did NOT get the message "can't build an entire new ship" which hints at that mistake.

300k+ of every resorce - stored? Remember, retrofit happens *before* income.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep 300 000 of each stored, and positive income on each resource to boost!

I guess that is 300 000 KT as it only says 300 000 on the Empire status screen.

[ December 12, 2003, 08:19: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Vezzra December 12th, 2003 11:13 AM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ruatha:
I guess that is 300 000 KT as it only says 300 000 on the Empire status screen.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, of course it's kT, resources are always given in kT. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Looks like a bug to me, a very annoying one http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . May be a good idea to report it to MM, hoping that this will be fixed in the upcoming patch.

Slick December 12th, 2003 06:06 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Puzzling. All retrofits are not happening? or just the one design. Try redesigning the ship under a different name and dumping the first one. Sounds like maybe the new design is corrupted somehow.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Slick.

geoschmo December 12th, 2003 06:09 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Is this a mod Ruatha, or stock? What components are you changing in the design. Any chance we could look at the gamefile, or is this a MP game you don't want people to see.

Ruatha December 12th, 2003 06:38 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Hi.
It's all designs, Tried different designs different turns.
Changed differnet components.
Thi sturn I'm trying a retrofit with only changing ECM1 to ECM 3, will see if it works on next turn (in two days or so)..

It's on PBW - Newbie Galactic Combat 3, using the No-Ai mod.
As PBW admin, feel free to check out the latest turn.
My password is registred on PBW, or if you want I can mail it to you.

[ December 12, 2003, 16:39: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

geoschmo December 12th, 2003 06:57 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Ruatha, I have looked at the turn. I have a couple questions but I don't want to give away game info. I will PM you.

Geoschmo

Ruatha December 12th, 2003 07:57 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Yep.
I think Geo has the answer.
Will try the solution and if it's valid I'll post it here in a couple of days (After the orders I submit in the next turn has been carried out).

geoschmo December 12th, 2003 08:27 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Actually, I was wrong. I thought maybe it was rejecting all teh retrofits because you were doing too many at once and the total amount was more then you could afford. But I tested it out and that's not the problem.

I also tried as Slick suggested and took the original design and upgraded it to a completely new design thinking that maybe it was corrupted or something. No joy. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

It's definetly reproducable, but it doesn't seem to make any sense. I have emailed the files to Aaron along with a description of what I tried to workaround it. Maybe he can fix it for the next patch if nothign else.

Geoschmo

Ruatha December 13th, 2003 10:17 AM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
NGC3>
Old outdated ships, almost never used are for sale!
Need something to guard your backwater systems, we have a special prize right now, come and see!

Roanon December 13th, 2003 11:51 AM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Maybe something similar to the trade/gift bug, maybe try to do only a few retrofits, and as Last thing of the turn? Just a weird idea...

Or did you already reach the maximum ship limit? Maybe you really should scrap one of these old escorts with a single DUC I http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ December 13, 2003, 09:53: Message edited by: Roanon ]

geoschmo December 13th, 2003 04:26 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Roanon:
Maybe something similar to the trade/gift bug, maybe try to do only a few retrofits, and as Last thing of the turn? Just a weird idea...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nope, tried that. Didn't work.
Quote:


Or did you already reach the maximum ship limit?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nope, ship limit had not been readched. And even if it had that shouldn't prevent retrofits.

President_Elect_Shang December 13th, 2003 05:27 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
I had this problem once a long time ago when SE4 came out. Aaron said that I had a problem with the installation (I did not get an error message) and that I should first remove than install again. I can’t remember though if I was able to pick the game up again after reinstalling or if I had to start a new one. It did fix the problem. Given that you are not working with SE4, SE4Gold and it has probably been on your hard drive for some time, but maybe it will still work in your case. Sorry I couldn’t be of much more help. Maybe if you emailed the save game file to me with info on the mod you are using (if any) I can look into it a little more, although I certainly am not an expert.

Ruatha December 13th, 2003 07:29 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by President Elect Shang:
I had this problem once a long time ago when SE4 came out. Aaron said that I had a problem with the installation (I did not get an error message) and that I should first remove than install again. I can’t remember though if I was able to pick the game up again after reinstalling or if I had to start a new one. It did fix the problem. Given that you are not working with SE4, SE4Gold and it has probably been on your hard drive for some time, but maybe it will still work in your case. Sorry I couldn’t be of much more help. Maybe if you emailed the save game file to me with info on the mod you are using (if any) I can look into it a little more, although I certainly am not an expert.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanx for th ereply.
Yes, it's been installed a long time...
Retrofits worked intially in this game but not now.
The turns aren't executed on my computer but on PBW.
Geo has already looked at it and contacted MM so I'll just build new ships, no worry.

President_Elect_Shang December 13th, 2003 08:14 PM

Re: Can\'t retrofit.
 
I feel bad that I was not more help, maybe next time.


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