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Atrocities December 21st, 2003 08:50 PM

OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
I found this program that can tell you about your compter far more completely than any I have seen thus far. SiSoft Sandra (www.download.com)

Here is the running Temp on My PC. Is this to hot? And if so, what would be a good way to help cool it off? Drill holes in the case?

Quote:

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 62.0°C / 143.6°F td
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is just the system summery, it has many, many more features than this.
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SiSoftware Sandra

System
Host Name : MYCOMPUTER
User : Owner
Domain : ASYLEM

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+
Speed : 2.00GHz
Model Number : 2400 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR2896 (estimated)
Type : Standard
L2 On-board Cache : 256kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte line size)

Mainboard
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
MP Support : No
MP APIC : No
System BIOS : American Megatrends Inc. 3.06
Mainboard : ASUSTeK Computer INC. A7N8X-LA
Total Memory : 767MB

Chipset 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 AGP Controller
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 133MHz (266MHz data rate)

Video System
Monitor/Panel : Plug and Play Monitor
Adapter : NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 Ultra

Physical Storage Devices
Removable Drive : Floppy disk drive
Hard Disk : SAMSUNG SV8004H
Hard Disk : WDC FireWire/USB2.0 IEEE 1394 SBP2 Device
Hard Disk : eUSB Compact Flash USB Device
Hard Disk : eUSB SD-MS-SM USB Device
CD-ROM/DVD : ATAPI DVDROM 16X
CD-ROM/DVD : SONY CD-RW CRX215E5

Logical Storage Devices
1.44MB 3.5" (A:) : N/A
Hp_pavilion (C:) : 70.5GB (46.8GB, 66% Free) (NTFS)
Hp_recovery (D:) : 4.1GB (756MB, 18% Free) (FAT32)
CD-ROM/DVD (E:) : N/A
Sc4deluxe2 (F:) : 641MB (0MB, 0% Free) (CDFS)
Removable Drive (G:) : N/A
Removable Drive (H:) : N/A
Wdc combo (I:) : 74.5GB (30.4GB, 41% Free) (FAT32)

Peripherals
Serial/Parallel Port(s) : 1 COM / 1 LPT
USB Controller/Hub : Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Root Hub
USB Controller/Hub : USB Mass Storage Device
FireWire/1394 Controller/Hub : OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Keyboard : HP PS2 Keyboard (2K - 3)
Mouse : Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Explorer
Human Interface : Microsoft USB IntelliMouse Explorer

MultiMedia Device(s)
Device : Realtek AC'97 Audio

Communication Device(s)
Device : Lucent Win Modem

Printers and Faxes
Model : HP DeskJet 820Cse
Model : Fax

Operating System(s)
Windows System : Microsoft Windows XP/2002 Home (Win32 x86) 5.01.2600 (Service Pack 1)

Network Services
Network Drivers Enabled : Yes
Adapter : NVIDIA nForce MCP Networking Adapter
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[ December 21, 2003, 18:58: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

Fyron December 21st, 2003 09:07 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
That is about twice as hot as my motherboard runs... but at any rate, it is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as it still runs smoothly. AMD CPUs tend to run a lot hotter than Intel CPUs. More case fans will definitely help. So would installing a liquid cooling system.

[ December 21, 2003, 19:08: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Atrocities December 21st, 2003 09:21 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
I had considered adding more case fans, that is the cheep thing to do. But liquid cooling, now that would be interesting.

I think the temp issue is why HP products are not that reliable.

Suicide Junkie December 21st, 2003 09:54 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
You could also move up here to Canada http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Narrew December 21st, 2003 10:05 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
I am running the same CPU but on a MSI MB, right now it is running 42c/105f. I will qualify that with this, I am cheap and have no heat on in my APT, I let the old lday below heat my place, so my ambient is helping. During the summer it gets up there. I went and bought a new Case, I decided to go with Antec, I paid around $100 or so for ir, but it has a dual speed power supply, plus has a 120cm fan at the spot where the cpu is, what I did was turn that fan around so it blew into the case right over the cpu fan and it helped alot.

If that case had not have helped, then it would have been liquid cooling next.

Atrocities December 21st, 2003 10:21 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Suicide Junkie:
You could also move up here to Canada http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL Good one. But it being an HP and all, the Canadian Mounties wouldn't let it into the Country. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I have thought about adding extra fans, but I have seen in the past that they really do not make that much of a differance. I am running it now with the side cover ajar and that has lowered the temp a bit but not by much.

I am considering putting a mini fan down there and blow air onto it. This might be bad because it will increase the dust collection factor.

I could swap cases and go with a new case, but if I did that, I would void the warrenty at the moment.

I just added a new video card, a GeForce FX 5700. so when I shut the PC down to add the card, and pulled the case off I was amazed at how warm the air was inside. This prompted me to find out how hot the system was and the rest is forum history.

(OBTW, avoid Deus Ex IW for the time being, the graphics engine they have is really, I do mean this, Really bad. Looks like a cheap port from an X box game. The Graphics just don't look right. I'd wait for a few more patches before buying the game. Not that you guys would ever buy a game like this.)

SimCity 4 runs on it like a dream now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ed Kolis December 21st, 2003 11:12 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
That program told me my dad's cheapass eMachines computer, with the advertised as 1GHz processor, was rated at only 650MHz but running at 1GHz... I wonder if it's even legal to overclock out of the box without telling the customer! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Baron Munchausen December 22nd, 2003 12:43 AM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
A mainboard operating at 62 Celcius? Are you absolutely sure that's the board and not the CPU? I can see an Athlon 2400+ running at 62 C. You'd probably need an 'overclockers' cooling system to keep it much below 60, I'm sure. But the MB at 62 C is a shocker if that's true. I'd be afraid your CPU is running at 80 C or more and is in danger.

Cooling can be accomplished many ways. First of course is to make sure the case is not boxed in too tightly. There needs to be some space, especially at the back, to let air circulate. Some people resort to drilling holes or cutting huge gaps in the case, yes. Some people open the case (or don't put the cover on, if the case is designed in a single piece) and simply point a big box fan at it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Lots of SETI@HOME people do this with their dedicated SETI machines. The temperature of the room around the machine makes a big difference even with a normal 'closed' case, though. You don't say what sort of case it is, but I'd bet it's a normal 'mini' or 'mid-size' tower, and those aren't very well designed. For your next system consider investing a bit extra in a case especially designed to have good air-circulation and help keep your system cool.

Narrew December 22nd, 2003 02:14 AM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
A mainboard operating at 62 Celcius? But the MB at 62 C is a shocker if that's true. I'd be afraid your CPU is running at 80 C or more and is in danger.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">When I saw that, I figured that it was a typo, hopefuly it is, otherwise he will be getting a new CPU and MB soon.

Gryphin December 22nd, 2003 01:35 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
One more note about fans:
Make sure you have as many blowing out as you do blowing in. Include the powersuplys fan in your count.

narf poit chez BOOM December 22nd, 2003 07:30 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
motherboard moniter is also a good program. gives continuos updates on your comp.

Atrocities December 22nd, 2003 11:57 PM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Narrew:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
A mainboard operating at 62 Celcius? But the MB at 62 C is a shocker if that's true. I'd be afraid your CPU is running at 80 C or more and is in danger.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">When I saw that, I figured that it was a typo, hopefuly it is, otherwise he will be getting a new CPU and MB soon. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No it was not a typo. That is the actual temp verified by another program.

Currently:
Temperature Sensor(s)
<font color=red>Board Temperature : 59.0°C / 138.2°F td</font>


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SiSoftware Sandra

System
Manufacturer : HP Pavilion 06
Model : DF247A-ABA 725N


System Chassis
Manufacturer : Chassis Manufacture
Type : Desktop
Can be locked : No
Version : Chassis Version
Serial Number : Chassis Serial Number
Asset Tag : Asset-1234567890
Boot-up State : Safe
Power State : Safe
Thermal State : Safe
Security State : External Interface Locked-out

Mainboard
Manufacturer : ASUSTeK Computer INC.
MP Support : No
Model : A7N8X-LA
Version : 1.04
Serial Number : X312345678

On-board Devices
To Be Filled By O.E.M. : Video Adapter

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 2
Maximum Installable Memory : 1GB
BANK0 - DIMM0 : Manufacturer0 PartNum0 SerNum0 AssetTagNum0 DIMM 512MB/128 @ 100Mt/s
BANK1 - DIMM1 : Manufacturer1 PartNum1 SerNum1 AssetTagNum1 DIMM 256MB/128 @ 100Mt/s

Chipset 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 AGP Controller
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 133MHz (266MHz data rate)
Width : 64-bit

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

Memory Module(s)
Memory Module 1 : Smart Modular SM5643285D8N6CLIBH 256MB 8x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)
Memory Module 2 : Kingston 70074C15 512MB 16x(32Mx8) DDR-SDRAM PC2700U-2533-700 (CL2.5 up to 167MHz) (CL2 up to 133MHz)

Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
<font color=red>Board Temperature : 59.0°C / 138.2°F td</font>

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 4.08V
Aux Voltage : 4.08V
+3.3V Voltage : 4.08V
+5V Voltage : 6.85V
+12V Voltage : 15.91V
-12V Voltage : 4.01V
-5V Voltage : 4.05V
Standby Voltage : 6.85V
Battery Voltage : 4.08V

AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 3.00
Speed : 8x
Fast-Writes Enabled : Yes
Isochronous Mode Enabled : No
Addressing Enabled : 32-bit

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.20
Number of Bridges : 2
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 1 : PCI (1x PCIClk)

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 ISA Bridge
ACPI Power Management Enabled : No
Random Number Generator Enabled : No

USB Controller 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 OHCI USB Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 3
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 OHCI USB Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 3
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 3
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 6
Companion Controllers : 2
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 32-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

FireWire/1394 Controller 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 FireWire Controller
Version : 1.10
Interface : OHCI
Enhanced Support : Yes
Channels : 64
Speed : 400MHz

System SMBus Controller 1
Model : nVidia MCP2/3 B0 SMBus
Version : 0A.02
Slave Device Enabled : No

System SMBus Controller 2
Model : nVidia MCP2/3 B1 SMBus
Version : 0A.02
Slave Device Enabled : No

Expansion Slot(s)
AGP : AGP-4x 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Used
PCI1 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Available (ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 ISA Bridge)
PCI2 (2h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Available (ASUSTeK Computer Inc nForce2 OHCI USB Controller)
PCI3 (3h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Half-Length Used

Port Connector
J1A1 - PS2Mouse : Mouse - None / PS/2
J1A1 - Keyboard : Keyboard - None / PS/2
J2A2 - USB1 : USB - None / USB
J2A2 - USB2 : USB - None / USB
J4A1 - LPT 1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - None / DB-25 pin male
J2A1 - COM A : Serial Port 16550A - None / DB-9 pin male
J6A1 - Audio Mic In : Audio - None / Mini-jack
J6A1 - Audio Line In : Audio - None / Mini-jack
J6B1 - AUX IN : Audio - CD-ROM Sound Input / None
J6B2 - CDIN : Audio - CD-ROM Sound Input / None
J6J2 - PRI IDE : None - ATA / None
J6J1 - SEC IDE : None - ATA / None
J4J1 - FLOPPY : None - Floppy Disk / None
J9H1 - FRONT PNL : None - 9 Pin Dual Inline / None
J1B1 - CHASSIS REAR FAN : None - None / None
J2F1 - CPU FAN : None - None / None
J8B4 - FRONT FAN : None - None / None
J9G2 - FNT USB : None - None / None
J6C3 - FP AUD : None - None / None
J9G1 - CONFIG : None - None / None
J8C1 - SCSI LED : None - None / None
J9J2 - INTRUDER : None - None / None
J9G4 - ITP : None - None / None
J2H1 - MAIN POWER : None - None / None

Performance Tips
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Warning 2507 : Mainboard has too few memory slots. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive.
Warning 2508 : All memory slots are full. Upgrading the memory may be difficult or expensive.
Warning 2545 : Large memory modules should be Registered/Buffered.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
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[ December 22, 2003, 22:01: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

mottlee December 23rd, 2003 02:05 AM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
I think I will D/L this whan I get home!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Narrew December 23rd, 2003 04:10 AM

Re: OT: Found An Interesting Program
 
Ok, do you have any idea what your CPU temp is?

If that MB temp is right, not that I doubt you, I mean that the MB is reporting it wrong, then I say you dont have long till you go get another MB/CPU set soon. I would open the side of your case to help out. Also, just wondering, is your comp near a heating duct or some such? My MB temp never has been so high, even in the summer when the ambient air temp is high.


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