Do you like Klingons?
 

The Klingons are coming!

http://www.astmod.com/startrek/korrportrait.PNG
http://www.astmod.com/startrek/korrportrait2.PNG
http://www.astmod.com/startrek/vortchaportrait.PNG
http://www.astmod.com/startrek/kvortportrait.PNG

To see more Klingon ships being developed, visit The Star Trek Mod web page. Comments welcome.

[ December 31, 2003, 16:55: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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Wow, those look beautiful! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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i don't know...none of them, except the Last one, struck me with menace.

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They are fairly similar to Klingon ships though...

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Fyron, they are Klingon ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The Kor Class is by far my favorate to date. It just looks cool. I wish DOGA was better at rendering images, without that asemetrical crap. (Closer objects look bigger) The model is quite detailed and is very nice looking.

Add to the fact that it does look like the logical progression for that class to have taken if actually being built. Very sleek, powerful, and dynamic looking.

http://www.astmod.com/startrek/klingonbattlefleet.PNG

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The ships seem a bit too shiny IMHO.

Have you considered using the Rough scheme in your textures?

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I liked the old title of the thread better... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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Veddy, veddy nice! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Have you considered exporting your models to something different for texturing and rendering?

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Models are beatifull for sure, but Klingon ships _must_ be green and rough, not shiny sky blue ! Just MHO.

P.S. With so many nice Klingon ships (including old sets) why not make a rebelion Klingon shipset - with the Sisters in charge ?

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Those classes of Klingon ships are blue though, not green. Not sky blue, but blue nonetheless.

[ December 30, 2003, 17:47: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yeth i do. they hav roketh an blathterth an mithithe an they go wooth!

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nice work, 10 thumbs up--from myself and my LAN crew--heh

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They look nice, although I'm a big fan of the traditional "D7", K'tinga, etc. hull. If the one that is closest to a D7 is supposed to be one, then I miss some of the complexity in the hull. I don't like the style of Next Generation designs much.

PvK

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">All that Next Generation did was to make the ships bigger, since they had to look menacing to an Enterprise that was 10 times the size of the original ship. I like what Atrocities has done. All ships don't need to look menacing; they just HAVE TO BE menacing!! Remember, a book can't be judged by its cover.

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Seems to me that the TNG "Galaxy" class Enterprise doesn't look any bigger than the TOS Enterprise, especially because of the glowing rectangles all over it (windows?), which give me the impression of it being about the same size, even though I know (from the Web) it's supposed to be bigger.

At any rate, I quite disagree that "All that Next Generation did was to make the ships bigger". It also changed the style of the ship designs quite a bit. I personally don't like the new aesthetics used after the TOS films. They look computer-generated and lack the flavor of the earlier hull designs, at least to me. I guess some others like them though, so I suppose it's a matter of personal taste.

PvK

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's what I said!! But I guess I was wrong too.

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Thanks for the comments, no one is wrong about the color, I like the blue color of the Vort'Cha class ships and decided to go with that color sceme for a few other ships because it sets them apart.

The shiny reflections are dilibrate lightening effect to cast shadows on the underside of the hull for the fleet image. Kinda like someone took a snap shot as they went buy.

I have considered exporting the files, but they are SUF and not compatible with other programs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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I like it!! Can't wait for the entire shipset to be completed.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That's because you are a mouse and mice don't know about space ships.

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How do these look Green?

http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmimages/koraltport.PNG
http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...dosaltport.PNG
http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...ortaltport.PNG
http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...essaltport.PNG

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dark and menacing.

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Tacky. Go blue!

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Ya know what, I think I will just keep the set a private set for my use only.

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um...to much advice? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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No, not to much advice, just conflicting interest on my part. I want a Klingon set for myself made by me. In fact this is why I made all of the sets I have. I wanted to truly own the images so that I can have control over looks and such.

I have no problem making two Version of one set for those who want them. I care more about demand for the set over anything else. I want a nice looking set that has matching orientation, color, look, and feel. I like the current sets, I know where each and every image came from, but that is simply not enough. I have always wanted to have my own images of these ships. Granted they are not 100% accurate or even 75% cannon, but they are good looking images that I made. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif And frankly that counts for something to me.

If people want to use them great, if not, oh well, I tried. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif That being said, my latest beta Version of the new Bird Of Prey.

http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...rtalt2port.PNG http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...ortalt2min.PNG

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Atrocities, I shouldn't question the master of shipset making, but why, may I ask, do you insist on making the minis all take up the full 36x36 pixels? I know it shows off your fine artwork, but it also totally destroys the sense of scale in the game, so you can't tell which ship is supposed to be which size without clicking on it to get the tonnage, or remembering which is which http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Oh, and BTW that thread title scared me, for a minute I thought someone sent Paramount after you again! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">again?

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These are prototype images Ed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif They are not scaled yet.

Narf tis a long story that cost me a web site about two years ago.

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http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...vort2bport.PNG http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...vort2bmini.PNG

NOTE: Expect NASY to go off line as Spaceports screws me even though I am a paying customer.

[ December 31, 2003, 16:24: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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Ooh, nice paint job! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Looks more Romulan than Klingon, though... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Believe me when I say it is modeled after a Klingon Bird of Prey. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">again? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You mist all the fun then ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Not much fun for Atrocities it was though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Clue: search the old archives for "man of the war"

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It appears the movies really confused Romulan and Klingon ship designs when they made the Star Trek III film. I read the original story called for a Romulan ship, but typical Hollywood pandering to the lowest denominator decided it should be Klingon. Meanwhile the design's abilities (cloaking device, powerful central torpedo, green paint job, name "Bird of Prey" - since when (before ST3) did Klingons care about birds?) remained Romulan-like. I suspect this simplification is probably responsible for a low of post-ST3 Klingon ship design.

PvK

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">again? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You mist all the fun then ! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Not much fun for Atrocities it was though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Clue: search the old archives for "man of the war" </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Better yet, search the old archives for member number 3174. I just spent about 2 hours looking at the old Posts and I must say that guy who caused that whole mess was not such a nice guy. (It was an interesting read though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True, ST 3 was to have Romulans, but Paramount opted for Klingons instead. ST 3 was a ground breaking movie for many reasons. It was the first movie that we saw:

Klingon Bird of Prey
Grisson Class
Ingram Class (Excelsior)
Space Doc
Humor
Vulcan (in some detail)
Surek (Spokes dad)
etc.

I think it was a very good movie given the limited budget and Nimoy's limited director experience.

But up until that time there was never an offical Bird Of Prey ever listed for either the Romulans or Klingons. (However I have read that the Romulans and Klingons did continue to swap designs up unitl the battle of Khitomer which led to the destruction of the Enterprise C.)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Maybe not official (?), but I see the classic TOS Romulan ship design called "Bird of Prey" pretty consistently - for example, on this modelling web page.

Moreover, all the TOS Romulan ships had hunting birds painted on them, including the ones which used Klingon D7 hulls. I don't remember any Klingon allusions to birds at all in TOS.

PvK

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Does it really matter? The ships look good (in blue). Who cares if they are strictly canon?

[ January 01, 2004, 01:06: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">i don't. i just like the green better.

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I don't really care if they're canon or whatever. In fact, I don't care about anything post TOS / Star Trek VI. I was just chatting.

PvK

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Your right, there was a Romulan Bird Of Prey. My apologies. The Romulan BOP was from TOS. But in TOS they established that the Romulans and Klingons traded technology and ships. So it is entirely likely that both the Romulans and the Klingons in the TOS movie era had simular BOP designes.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Yes, and I've seen several conjectures to that effect, most saying that the Klingons got the BOPs from the Romulans.

PvK

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http://www.astmod.com/startrek/stmim...vort2bport.PNG

This would be interesting as a Romulan ship. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I would say the Klingons got the better end of this deal. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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which brings up the question of why the romulans and the klingons would use a human idiom to name their ships... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Well that is just how you say bird of prey in english... surely there are birds on Romulus, and then there are hunting birds...

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but still, my point stands. they might have 'birds of prey', but there's a good chance they wouldn't call them 'birds of prey'.

and i would vastly perfer it if everything in the world didn't get anglicized.

- Narf, who wrote up two much more angry Posts before going with this. rants, actually. why must humans be any greater than the aliens in the books? why are humans almost always portrayed as greater?

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Narf, I don't know if you know this but Star Trek was created by a human.

Star Trek is not real.

I make the models based on other movie and television work I have seen. I like the designs, and enjoy using these images in my game.

As to the names of things, well that gets back to who wrote the episode or came up with the name for the class of ship. Again human writers and model builders.

Additionally, if you look at things as if Star Trek were real, then it could be argued that the name Bird of Prey is in fact a human translation of a Romulan/klingon phrase.

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I remember watching that Original Series episode where they encounter the Romulan ship, and it looks like a Klingon ship.

"That's a Klingon ship!"
"But it couldn't be, not in this area."
"Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design."

My friend and I joked about this. We thought this is what happened when they were filming the episode:
...
Gene Roddenberry: "OK, now let's show the Romulan ship on the main screen, approaching the Enterprise."

*William Shatner accidentally knocks the model Romulan ship onto the floor, smashing it.*

William Shatner: "Ooops!"

Gene Roddenberry: "Hey, that's our ONLY Romulan ship model! What are we going to do?!"

Leonard Nimoy: "Um, we have this Klingon ship model. Let's just use that and say that the Romulans got the design in a trade agreement with the Klingons."

Gene Roddenberry: "All right, I guess we have no choice, we'll do that."

*William Shatner accidentally drops the Klingon model ship and wrecks it*

William Shatner: "Ooops!"

Gene Roddenberry: "Oh, no! NOW what do we do?"
...
So in the episode.... "Sir, the Romulans are now using Federation design!..."

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Please keep in mind that these are just prototype images only. I am still working on them all. The Romulan image is just something I threw in for sport. All images are 1024 x 768

Romulan Bird of Prey (Prototype)

Vort'Cha

Klingon BOP

Klingon D - 16 Battle Cruiser

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yeah, i know there made by humans. i am a human. and i don't see why earth has to be the center of the universe in most sci-fi. it wasn't a comment on the ships you make, just a semi-random outburst.

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Simple: the shows are made by humans and for humans, so making shows about humans makes the most money.