Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

Or even better the "obtain password to stalk ex-girlfriend and orchestrate awkward confrontations while she is out with, of all things, other men". That one sounds real promising. I see a thriller or two coming out with that for the plot.

She leaves him because he's creepy.

She goes to the beach, he's there.

She goes to a concert, he's there.

She goes to secluded location with her new boyfriend, he's there and kills the new beau.

She goes to the police, he heads her off and tries to kill her.

She kills him.

The End.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

Kids'll just pull the battery when they don't want to be tracked.

"Gee Mom, I don't know, it's been working fine all day..." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Would wrapping it in foil act as an antenna or block the signal?

Excuses:
"It was in my purse, I didn't hear it"
"We were in a church. I turned it off"
"We were in a dead zone"
"I don't know" :: Angelic face :: "Please don't tell daddy"
"The mall filters it out"

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Excuses:
"I killed it! That's right, I broke the little leash. You won't bind me to the groupmind that has been running western society since 1956! Oh yeah, I know about that. And I know about the way the radio waves get in my mind and make me more like the rest of you drones. Well I'm not going to be like you! I'm freeing my mind! I'm freeing myself from the tyranny of the little clever eight-bit ring tones! I'm freeing myself from the Theme from Batman and Fur Elise and goddamn Sandstorm in eight-friggin'-bits! You want to know where I am!? You don't need the damn phone. Just ask the guys in that windowless white van that follows me every where! They know where I am!"

[ January 02, 2004, 15:28: Message edited by: Loser ]

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

the problem is, that's not communication. that's a leash. kids aren't dogs, and they know it.

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It is also a trust issue. (narf is that what you were alluding to?). If you can't trust your child to be where they should be then I think you have bigger problems that won't be solved by that system.

I do like how my sweetie uses her cell with her daughter who does not live with us, (16 going on 21). It was given to her to make mommy more available not vice versa. Last night it was used for: "Please come pick me up. I'm frezzing at the bus stop"

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

One day they might start implanting chips inside kids so they can always be tracked. At first they'll say it's for finding lost children, but soon the government might try to track and monitor everyone.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's already being done: Tracker implant {link}

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">got it in one.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's all hype and (fortunately) unfeasible. If you think about it, you'd have to have an object implanted in the girl's arm with the same kind of tranmission capabilities as a mobile phone. Implanted under the skin. People are worried about the health risks of regular phones, what do you think this would be like? What if the battery leaks? How would you recharge it anyway?

Take a look at this:

http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?b=02002-09-06&l=57#l

and this:

http://www.kevinwarwick.org.uk/

IMHO this child-tagging lark was the stunt that tipped Kevin Warwick from harmless publicity-muppet to Orwellian bull****ter bastard.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

There are no health risks with cellular phones. They do not transmit any radiation with enough energy to cause any mutations of DNA at all. It is simply not the right wavelength of EM radiation to be cabaple of doing so. People in general are stupid and worry about everything.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">as far as we know.

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Which we do know for a fact. EM radiation has to be in the x-ray or smaller range of wavelength, or be operating at many orders of magnitude greater in energy than cell phones operate at, to even have a chance of mutating DNA.

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what about prolonged exposure?

besides, we don't know everything that can go on in a cell, how do we know it can't?

but all that is beside the point. simply study the incidentes of brain cancer in cell-phone user's versus non.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

I don't know if cell phones cause cancer, but I do know that they do cause retardation in drivers who use them while driving.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well that is from distraction, not from anything harmful from the cell phone itself.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Prolonged exposure to something that can never induce mutations does not matter. It will not cause mutations over a long period either.

[ January 02, 2004, 20:13: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">i say we hold a kangaroo court and charge you with overuse of the definitive article. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

yeah, i know the word 'radiation' tends to induce paranoa. but a study wouldn't hurt. like i said, we don't know everything about cells.

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Cell phones are evil and evil things cause cancer. (According to Rossie O'Donald.) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

dna causes cancer. dna must be evil.

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You must be right Narf, DNA made Rossie fat, no wait, that was the spoon. Man I am so confused! Does Rossie use a cell phone? Perhaps that would explain it.

Back in 1986/87 I wrote an essay on things that would happen in the next 20 years. I had to do it as a final for my writing class. I still recall everyone laughing at me when I read it.

I said that by 2000 everyone would have hand size wireless phones. Laughter.
That money would be phased out by credit card type system. Laughter
That Communisium woud fail.
Another shuttle disaster (Actualy I said two and we still have 3 years to go)
Lawsuites agaist Tabocco, Firearm, Car, fast food, and Porn industries alleging damages and other tort thingys.
I also predicted the escalation of youth violence.

These all seemed like likely things to happen in the future.

I also mentioned computers, satellite tv and radio, war in the middle east - Over oil, and increasing terrist attacks here in the US.

That was 16 years ago, and I had no crystal ball to see the future. Like I said, these were things that logic dictated would come about. Technology improves, people still get angry, and lawyers will sue.

I now predict that in the next 20 years, lawyers will sue the Cell phone industry for causing cancer.

That Microsoft will loose it standing in the PC industry as something better comes along.

That as population continues to climb, we will see an increase in the reductions of our rights.

SE V will be a smash hit and sell well for years. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">uh...it's past 2000.

very good predictions. any you got wrong?

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

Oops, the predictions were for the next 20 years from the time I made them. So 2000 was 13 years into it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I should have made that clearer.

Yes, I have missed on a lot of things. There were about 50 predictions total, and I am batting about 50% thus far.

I predicted that we would have another moon landing, would land people on mars, and have a fuctioning space station. None of those have happened yet.

I predicted that cars would be running exclusively on syntetic fules.

Things like that.

I predicted that North Korea would again attack the south, but that has not happened. I predicted that the Arabs would gang up on Isriel (sp) and take them out. No so.

That the US would loose a Nuclear sub. We did not, but the Russians did.

Most of it was guess work based upon logical deductions. (And a lot of ... um .. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif leasure time mind expanding medicinal research.)

Drugs are bad! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">that false!
uv is a source of skin cancer and thats a longer wavelength than xray!
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5215a1.htm
http://www.ipac.caltech.edu/Outreach...ave/links.html

uv still way shrter than radio, but its not xray or smaller. you cant be so sure of the dividing line. a simple study may be a good thing.

[OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...123103X,00.asp

Use their cell phone to track them.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now, how long will it take for a smart kid to figure out how to evade or trick this system?

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

Well, wouldn't the solution be "don't take your mobile unless you want to be tracked"? Or even meaner, "hide your mobile at the other end of the town to trick the system". Or am I missing something obvious here?

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The problem with the whole "Cell phones cause cancer!" scare is that it is impossible to get accurate numbers at the moment. To get a (relatively) definite answer would require a small number of independently run studies spanning over around 15 to 25 years. They would have to take into account the amount of mobile use, the power of the output of the mobile, and any other factors that would increase the chances of a subject getting cancer (family history, exposure to carcinogens, etc.) As of now, there is no legitimate study into the risk of getting cancer from cell phone radiation.

Personally, I think that any results from a properly conducted study of this kind would yield results showing a statistically insignificant difference between the group of mobile Users vs. non-mobile Users. A large part of the concern about cancer is due to the general public having no clue what radiation is, and the fact that it was made into a boogieman for every generation in developed countries since the 1950s.

It's actually kind of fun, when people use the words "radiation" and "cancer" in the same sentance, to point out all the things that emit radiation. Like television, computer monitors, light bulbs, speakers, power lines, the Sun, the stars, the Earth, etc, etc, etc. All of them give of at least a little bit of radiation. After telling people this, there are usually one of two reactions: complete disbelief of everything I just said (sometimes even including the Sun), or extreme paranoia and the urge to make a tinfoil hat.

--edit: In Fyron's defense, he did say that the longer wavelength radiation would have to be orders of magnitude more powerful than that emited by cell phones. The UV radiation from the Sun is several orders of magnitude more powerful than the output of a cell phone.

[ January 03, 2004, 01:08: Message edited by: Will ]

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

and that's why we're not going to have solar power beamed down any time soon.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't quit your day job man.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

The January issue of Scientific American has an article entitled "RFID: The Promise and Peril of Talkative Chips." Merchandisers use the chips to track their goods from factories to stores, but there is nothing to stop the same sort of technology from being abused, i.e. tracking people by the tags in their shirts, pants, etc. One company actually abandoned plans to implement such a system because of pressure by watchdog organizations....

Also...It wouldn't surprise me if the same people who are worried about radiation from cell phones, are the same people who regularly sunbathe. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

I recall reading about something simular that nano chips would be embedded in our drivers license, credit cards, cash, just about anything we might carry and that those chips would be registared each time a person entered a building. This way they could target advertising specifically at an individual on a global scale.

Additionally I recall reading about auto finger print takers via optical glass in handles, door pains, check out counters, etc that would scan your finger prints in 1000th of second of contact and registar your location for tracking purposes.

These things are all very bothersome, yet we 20 years ago the thought of having cameras in stores, in the intersections, hidden at work, or hidden just about any where would have been cause for nation wide public alarm. Big Brother is wathcing now, and we accept it because we, the inocent, have nothing to fear if we are doing nothing wrong. I recall reading that it is the inocent that often made to pay and are the most exploited.

So despite how scarry this new technolgy is, it will become common place in our lives just like video cameras and credit cards have become.

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

eternal vigilance...

Re: [OT] "It is 10:00. Do you know where your children are"
 

As long as we are kept feed, have our TV and electricty we are happy little slaves to the ways of those who get rich off of our backs.

When we have no food, no freedoms, no hope, then then will begin to change. I won't live to see it, nor will many of you, but one day over population, under production of food, no fuel, and oppressive laws will drive this nation into another civil war.

It has been written about in many books, and they all paint a very depressing picture for the future of this country and indeed the planet over the next 200 years. But your right Narf, interal vigilance is our only salvation. As long as we have hope we have something.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't quit your day job man. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Read my profile.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You may be surprised, but better child control in China and India, declining birth rate in developed countries and shift of the population from rural to urban areas in developing world (also lead to lesser childbirth) all indicate to the reversal of population growth. I'm not making his up. I got it from a reputable paper in New Scientist that predicts the XXI century will be the first century since XIV (black death pandemy) with fewer people at the end of it than at the beginning http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif And you say XX century with two world wars and all other stff was genocidal !

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I don't know about any of you, but I'm not going to contribute to the population decline. I plan on still being around when the 22nd century roles on in. But hey, this is Canada, one of the least populous countries in the world. We need some more people.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Least populous in terms of population density. We're actually 36th in the world in terms of total population only.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And they will watch and track all our vehicles so that we will be caught every single time we go over the speed limit.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Keep in mind that the US alone could currently feed the entire population of the world continuously several times over, with only a portion of the arable land in the nation. This is not done, of course, because there is no profit in feeding people that have no money.

Now, grow food in other places in the world, and it would be possible to feed trillions of people. Modern farming techniques can grow huge amounts of food on small plots of land.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">that false!
uv is a source of skin cancer and thats a longer wavelength than xray!
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5215a1.htm
http://www.ipac.caltech.edu/Outreach...ave/links.html

uv still way shrter than radio, but its not xray or smaller. you cant be so sure of the dividing line. a simple study may be a good thing. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What Will said.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Allied to the ability to recognize what you see and the courage to act upon upon that recognition?