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boromeo January 5th, 2004 08:40 AM

Favorite Star Trek episode
 
What was your favorite original Star Trek episode ?

For me it was The Doomsday machine

I d like to hear what yours was.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Atrocities January 5th, 2004 08:44 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Balance of Terror (TOS)
Yestardays Enterprise (TNG)
Trials and Tribulations (DS9)
I have two for Voyager but do not recall the names.
I have none as of yet for Enterprise outside of the Priemer. Good series though.

Fyron January 5th, 2004 08:56 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
I liked the DS9 episodes where they had large fleet engagements... those are always good. Not as good as the ones in Babylon 5, but still good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

boromeo January 5th, 2004 09:04 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Well i have another favorite one apart the Doomsday machine...but i can t say the title since I don t know this title in english (I m a french canadian and i watched the original serie in french) but the episode was this one where the Enterprise crew were like the Klingon Empire.

As far as Voyager and the other Star Trek series are concerned they are not yet translated in french so i have to watch them in english...but they lack the flavor and taste of the original serie that was the best and will remain so i guess

I even saw a site where people didn t like how Kirk died ..for a hero dyin by fallin down a mountain (Is the way he really died since i ve missed somrthin about it) was not a way such a hero deserve

and i was astonished to the news that Deforest Kelly alias Bones died may he rest in peace !

and this question for you Atrocities ..Will The Star Trek mode be updated in the near future or is the mod already perfect to your eye ?

and for the others please give me your favorite episode for the original Star Trek since i m planning to create a Star Trek original (in french and english) site in the near future and would put this statistics in it !..Thanks .. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Atrocities January 5th, 2004 09:56 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
The episode your are talking about is named Mirror Mirror. It was later used as the basis for several DS9 episodes.

Kamog January 5th, 2004 10:01 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
I have two favorite episodes from the original series.

Episode 2: Where No Man Has Gone Before
(The one in which they go to the edge of the galaxy and two of the crew members get powerful psychic powers.)

Episode 37: The Changeling
(The one in which they encounter the powerful 'Nomad' probe)

Well, the third favorite is:
Episode 24: Space Seed
(They find Khan and his group in the ship S.S. Botany Bay)

Atrocities January 5th, 2004 10:02 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

question for you Atrocities ..Will The Star Trek mode be updated in the near future or is the mod already perfect to your eye ?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The mod will be updated as updates become available based upon bug reports and or player suggested improvement. Right now I have a few excellent player suggested improvements that are being hashed out.

The mod is far from perfect. You should read the Star Trek Mod Discussion thread for updated info as well as the early Posts in the Klingon Thread.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif www.astmod.com/startrek/stm.htm

Puke January 5th, 2004 11:33 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Lots of good episodes, lots of bad ones. Lots of mixed elements. I can think of good and bad bits of any of the episodes that I try to take seriously or overanalyze, so Im not going to call any of those my Favorites.

For the less serious episodes, everyone always picks the trouble with tribbles. The DS9 Version of it was much better than the original, though I enjoyed them both. Anyhow, out of all the serise, here is my pick:

Classic Trek. Favorite Episode:

Spock's Brain


Of course, the actress that played the android clone in "What Are Little Girld Made Of?" was darn hot. I tried to look her up to see if she was in anything else, but it does not seem like she had any other roles in film or television.

Maerlyn January 5th, 2004 01:19 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
my all over Favorites are the voyager episodes:

one year in hell (temporary technologies rox, yeah!) and the species 8579 vs Borg episodes.

Renegade 13 January 5th, 2004 04:58 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
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Originally posted by Maerlyn:
...and the species 8579 vs Borg episodes.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Umm, that should be 8472 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

My favorite episodes are definitly the DS9 episodes towards the end that had the massive fleet battles, and the final two Voyager episodes with the ablative armor, transphasic torpedos, and the transwarp hub. I just love to see them Borg get blown up by "inferior" species.

David E. Gervais January 5th, 2004 05:34 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
My Star Trek: ToS Favorite episodes are...

1) The City on the Edge of Forever.
2) The Trouble With Tribbles.
3) A Piece of the Action.

ST:TnG:

The episode where Wesly Crusher leaves the show.

ST: DsN:

I'm indifferent to the whole series.

ST: Voyager:

The episode where the ship is stuck in orbit and watch the planet go through centries of evolution. A very interesting show indeed.

ST: Enterprise:

I'm indifferent to the whole series. (Not fond of the opening music, it does not seem to 'fit' the show)

another $0.02 from me to you. Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ January 05, 2004, 15:35: Message edited by: David E. Gervais ]

Growltigger January 5th, 2004 05:53 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
My 1 pence for you all (about $0.02 given the current Sterling/Dollar exchange rates http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

Original Star Trek

Choice of two for me, the episode where they meet the Romulan warbird bLasting the federation base, or the episode where they meet the funny carpet-like creature which burrows through rock and murders people, but actually is a very nice evil minded murdering varmint

Next Generation

Dunno, any episode that doesnt revolve around Wesley having growing pains, or Ryker/Data/Geordie insert lead character of choice having some personal problems.

Personally, any episode with a high body count

Deep Space Nine

Better show for me, basically any of the Dominion War epsisodes with a high body count were fine with me

Voyager

Hmmmmm, not convinced on this one, but again, any episode with a bit of mayhem was quite entertaining

Enterprise

I quite like this one, if mainly cos the weapons officer is English. And T'pol does help on the eye candy front - basically, any episode where T'Pol wears a tight T shirt, and that Redneck person gets a "whuppin'" (is that how you say it?)

Imperial January 5th, 2004 06:42 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
my ToS favorite is Mirror Mirror I still enjoy watching it.

gregebowman January 5th, 2004 10:24 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Of the 79 episodes from the original show, I can only think of a handful that were my Favorites. The first one that comes to mind is Court Martial. Maybe it was my love of Perry Mason at the time, but this has been my favorite for a long time. Then there's Space Seed, The Trouble With Tribbles, The Balance of Terror and The City On The Edge of Forever. My least favorite, and the one I hate the most, is Turnabout Intruder.

As far as TNG, the one I like the best is the one where Picard lives the life of a man from a long dead planet. Can't remember the title right now.

Even though I watched DS9, there are a lot of gaps in my viewing, so I can't really saw which one was my favorite.

As far as Voyager, I liked the 2 parter where that one race took over the Voyager and had the crew go through all sorts of scenarios with the holodecks.

And I haven't been able to watch enough of Enterprise to get a grasp of the whole show, although I must admit I do like the title of the pilot episode, Broken Bow, since I am from Oklahoma. But I have no idea where Broken Bow is.

Iansidious January 5th, 2004 11:46 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
One of my favorite Star Trek episode from TOS would be "The Squire of Gothos". Who doesn't love little Trelane? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif There is a good Star Trek book called " Q Squared" that brings Trelane back during the TNG era to battle Q. Trelane gains MORE power than the Q continuum. If you want to read it keep sharp it can confuse lower life forms. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Geckomlis January 6th, 2004 12:07 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Original show: "Mirror, Mirror"
I.S.S. Enterprise
Evil Spock "... and some of my operatives are Vulcans."

DavidG January 6th, 2004 01:48 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Puke:
Classic Trek. Favorite Episode:

Spock's Brain


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ah yes. Origin of one of the calssic quotes of all time.

Kirk: Is he dead?
Bones: It's worse than that jim, they took his brain!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Atrocities January 6th, 2004 08:31 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
TOS had something that non of the other shows had. That being a sense of being. I can't specifically describe it, but for me TOS, not counting the lame episodes, had more of a real human experience to it. People died, sometimes without meaning, as in real life. I believed that Kirk cared about his ship and crew above all else, and the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy was real. You had humor, pain, love, action, drama, basically everything. There was no commanding the ship by committee, Kirk was in charge, and everyone knew it. It was more real to me as it was more military based and not so politically correct as TNG was.

I loved TNG because of the cast and stories. Indeed there were many fine episodes that really had heart to them. The Picard one where he lived a lifetime on a planet in 20 minutes was a true visceral classic. Yesterdays Enterprise was the closes TNG ever got to TOS in respect to military feel. Both shows had their own personality and I loved them both very much.

DS9 was, and is in my opinion, one of the best character driven series of the franchise. I loved this show because it had dealt with deep character flaws and human emotion on a grand scale, war. It was depressing, uplifting, challenging, strange, and fun all at the same time. DS9 was also the only series to truly keep a linear story line. They had continuity throughout the seven years it ran. And no one can deny the appeal of seeing a dramatic space battle can bring to a show on the scale that DS9 had brought it to us.

I enjoyed the characters, all of them, and felt that throughout the seven years DS9 paid more homage to the Original series than all of the others had combined. We had the Mirror universe revisited on several occasions, and we finally found out what happened to the four Klingons from TOS. Koloth, Kang, Kor, and the weasel one from Trouble with Tribles.

The series was a grand experience.

Voyager, well I really did not like this series. I felt that it had the greatest potential out of all of them, but it lacked continuity and attention to detail on a grand scale. It is hard to believe the credibility of a show that pays no attention to the finer aspects of plot lines and established fact. A ship lost in space for over seven years, constantly doing battle and losing crew members should look the part. They should have concentrated on that a lot more than they had. Voyager looked brand new in the end, and despite the loose of life they had to endure throughout the series, they still managed to have nearly a full complement of crew. (Trek Fans kept count and the official number of counted crew members is well over 200. Another credibility issue.)

Never the less, Voyager had some damn fine episodes and was in the end, Star Trek to the core.

Enterprise is a nice series. I like the music at the start even though I thought I would not. The series seems lost though with no direction. Even with this rip off story arc from Crusader/Starblazers the show still feels as if it is rudderless.

The nice thing about Enterprise is the cast. Well done. The stories are ok, although a bit boring. The special effects are by far the best of the all the series and movies. The continuity issues can all be explained away with the Temporal Cold War. For in the end, Archer's adventures may not have ever happened. We won't know until the end.

As for the movies:

STTMP - What a dismal depressing movie this was. Love the Enterprise and it was Star Trek so I will not complain further.

ST II TWOK - Hot damn fine movie.
ST III TSFS - A stepping stone and ground breaking movie. New ships, new possibilities, humor, and Nemoy at the helm.
ST IV TVH - I did not like it.
ST V TFF - Oh brother! Someone should have taken Shatner out to the back lot and smacked him around. There are not 200 decks on the Enterprise!
ST VI TUDC - Damn fine movie with some major plot holes the size of a super nova, but what the hell, still fun to watch.

ST VII STG - I loved this movie because it dealt with something close to my heart, loss.

ST VIII FC - I hated this movie from start to finish. Horrible story, dumb concept, dismally depressing. Nice Enterprise and some good humor though.

ST IX Insurrection - I enjoyed this movie because it was a well done movie. I hated it because it has no action.

ST X - Nemeses - Well now, Data died.

From the first episode, the Cage, to the Last book released Star Trek has been, and I hope will continue to be, one fantastic ride.

narf poit chez BOOM January 6th, 2004 08:42 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Ah yes. Origin of one of the calssic quotes of all time.

Kirk: Is he dead?
Bones: It's worse than that jim, they took his brain!!
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">BRAINS!! BRAINS!!

gregebowman January 6th, 2004 05:25 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Atrocities, I may have to disagree on your assessments on some of the movies. Granted, the first one wasn't the best movie ever made, but at the time it came out, 1979, it was the first new Star Trek for a generation who never saw it live and had to settle for the various edited cuts that were released in sydication. So I went and saw it 5 times. And I had to wait an extra 6 months to see it, because of the way movies were distributed back then, the movie didn't come to my home town until Memorial Day 1980!!

ST 2 - I think by far the best of the movies. I just wished that in the movie they had made a reference to that boy Scotty was holding in his arms. It was his nephew, but we were never told that in the movie.

ST 3 - Although not great, it was good. I just wish the trailers didn't reveal that the Enterprise was going to be destroyed. They should have kept that as much a secret as possible.

ST 4 - I liked it. Although it did seem like an overlong commerical for Save the Whales, it had its moments.

ST 5 - I agree with you on your asseessment of Shatner's directorial debut. It sucked, and it will be the only ST movie I will not buy on dvd.

ST 6 - a murder mystery in space. But it was still a good movie.

ST-Gen - My jury is still out on this movie. It's ok, but maybe it was the way they killed off Kirk that made me not like it. (Personally, I always thought he'd get killed off by a jealous lover of one of his female conquests!!)

ST-FC - This is another one I disagree with you on. I loved this movie, and it's my second favorite after Wrath of Kahn. I just wish they could have used the original actor for Cochrane, but I think he died quite a few years ago.

ST-I - It was ok, but it could have been better. Seemed like an overlong episode from the series, but at least Troy & Riker got back together.

ST-N - Too many questions about this movie that made me not enjoy it. First of all, WEsley was a Traveller Last we saw, so why is he there in uniform? How did the Romulans find a imperfect copy of Data? And why kill off Data? Sure, Brent Spiner may have been tired of the role, but if this was going to be the Last film of this crew, I thought it was unnecessary.

Fyron January 6th, 2004 07:09 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

DS9 was, and is in my opinion, one of the best character driven series of the franchise. I loved this show because it had dealt with deep character flaws and human emotion on a grand scale, war. It was depressing, uplifting, challenging, strange, and fun all at the same time. DS9 was also the only series to truly keep a linear story line. They had continuity throughout the seven years it ran. And no one can deny the appeal of seeing a dramatic space battle can bring to a show on the scale that DS9 had brought it to us.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

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A ship lost in space for over seven years, constantly doing battle and losing crew members should look the part. They should have concentrated on that a lot more than they had. Voyager looked brand new in the end, and despite the loose of life they had to endure throughout the series, they still managed to have nearly a full complement of crew.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You greatly underestimate the abilities of the replicator and the technology to manipulate matter on a molecular level. It would not be very hard to keep the ship looking like new when you can use a handheld device capable of repairing it (especially cosmetically) in mere seconds. Just look at the tools they have available in ST. Small little laser thingies that can patch holes in the hull, can weld dense metals together in seconds, etc.

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(Trek Fans kept count and the official number of counted crew members is well over 200. Another credibility issue.)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As I have said before, this is 100% irrelevant. It would be rather difficult and a waste of money to make sure that you have all of the same extras over a 7 year period. So they used different extras over time. Big deal. Only people without anything approaching a meaningful life would care enough about the number of extras used to take the time to count them up.

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The continuity issues can all be explained away with the Temporal Cold War. For in the end, Archer's adventures may not have ever happened. We won't know until the end.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That is a cheap cop-out for the crap they constantly pull with Enterprise. Don't make apologies for poor decisions of others AT.

[ January 06, 2004, 17:16: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

tesco samoa January 7th, 2004 02:25 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Over the break I finally got a chance to watch the directors Version dvd of the motion picture and wrath of Khan.

Wow were they ever fantastic....

The motion picture was redone. As was the music.

They based it on the old story Boards... The documentaries were really good.

And Khan. Well what can we say... Buried Alive...
Fantastic.

If you have been pondering picking up the director DVD's please do so.

Next up is star trek 3... Which I always felt had such a dark feeling for Star Trek. And a fantastic sound track

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 08:47 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"> DS9 was, and is in my opinion, one of the best character driven series of the franchise. I loved this show because it had dealt with deep character flaws and human emotion on a grand scale, war. It was depressing, uplifting, challenging, strange, and fun all at the same time. DS9 was also the only series to truly keep a linear story line. They had continuity throughout the seven years it ran. And no one can deny the appeal of seeing a dramatic space battle can bring to a show on the scale that DS9 had brought it to us.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

Babylon 5 was written years before DS9 was ever aired so to say it copied Babylon 5 is incorrect. Great minds do think alike, and to say that Paramout copied Warner Brothers is wrong.


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A ship lost in space for over seven years, constantly doing battle and losing crew members should look the part. They should have concentrated on that a lot more than they had. Voyager looked brand new in the end, and despite the loose of life they had to endure throughout the series, they still managed to have nearly a full complement of crew.[/qb]
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You greatly underestimate the abilities of the replicator and the technology to manipulate matter on a molecular level. It would not be very hard to keep the ship looking like new when you can use a handheld device capable of repairing it (especially cosmetically) in mere seconds. Just look at the tools they have available in ST. Small little laser thingies that can patch holes in the hull, can weld dense metals together in seconds, etc.

They can not repulate Titanium and dura steel. Those raw materials have to be gathered, refined, and processed into usuable material. Replicators have very little if anything to do with it. And besides, Voyager never had any Industrial Replicators on board. They just had standard crew and small part replicators according to the ship schematics.


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(Trek Fans kept count and the official number of counted crew members is well over 200. Another credibility issue.)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As I have said before, this is 100% irrelevant. It would be rather difficult and a waste of money to make sure that you have all of the same extras over a 7 year period. So they used different extras over time. Big deal. Only people without anything approaching a meaningful life would care enough about the number of extras used to take the time to count them up.

And as I have said nothing is irrelevant if it compermises the credibility of the show.

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The continuity issues can all be explained away with the Temporal Cold War. For in the end, Archer's adventures may not have ever happened. We won't know until the end.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That is a cheap cop-out for the crap they constantly pull with Enterprise. Don't make apologies for poor decisions of others AT. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Who's making excuses for others? This is my thoughts on how they will end the series, nothing more. No matter what I think, I know they will end the series in a comfusing, controversal, and down right dumb way. So don't chastise me for trying to come up with an intellegent way out for people who more than likely haven't thought that far ahead! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 09:09 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Oh don't get me wrong, I loved STMP for many years and steal feel that it was a good movie. I just didn't like the cold feel of the movie.

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ST 2 - I think by far the best of the movies. I just wished that in the movie they had made a reference to that boy Scotty was holding in his arms. It was his nephew, but we were never told that in the movie.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In the extended Version of the movie they do tell you who the boy was. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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ST 3 - Although not great, it was good. I just wish the trailers didn't reveal that the Enterprise was going to be destroyed. They should have kept that as much a secret as possible.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nemoy fought the inclussion of the material showing the Enterprise being destroyed, but Paramout said it was to stay in. ST 3 was a milestone movie for many reasons. It set the Star Trek into a whole new direction and gave people hope for a new series and more movies. It was the first movie to show us the Klingon BOP, Space Dock, Sarek, Vulcan, the Excelcior, and deal with the death of the Enterprise and Kirks son.

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ST 4 - I liked it. Although it did seem like an overlong commerical for Save the Whales, it had its moments.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It was a good movie, "double dumb *** on you!" But for me it was.. missing something. Albeit at the end that something was joyfully shown.

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ST 5 - I agree with you on your asseessment of Shatner's directorial debut. It sucked, and it will be the only ST movie I will not buy on dvd.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The overall movie was not bad. The story was interesting and all, but man there were a lot of plot holes that should have been plugged up long before the movie ever went to production. The whole Enterprise not working and stuff could have been rewritten to say the Enterprise was in for Refit. The climb up the turbo shaft should have been left out completely. The special effects should have been handled by ILM instead of that low budge place they used. Over all the movie was not that bad. It ties in very well with Shatners books.

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ST 6 - a murder mystery in space. But it was still a good movie.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Other than some minor lines about navy termenology that should have been rewritten, a few plot holes, and a lack of material the movie worked well. I loved the sound track and over all story.

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ST-Gen - My jury is still out on this movie. It's ok, but maybe it was the way they killed off Kirk that made me not like it. (Personally, I always thought he'd get killed off by a jealous lover of one of his female conquests!!)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I tend to agree about the Kirk thing, but again if you read his books, his death is explained. You see great people do "die alone." (This ties back to his stayment in ST 5 about dying alone.)

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ST-FC - This is another one I disagree with you on. I loved this movie, and it's my second favorite after Wrath of Kahn. I just wish they could have used the original actor for Cochrane, but I think he died quite a few years ago.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why I hate this movie is because of the way they did it. They never explained why they sent only ONE cube to Earth, nor why they came in the first place. They had a great oppurtunity here to make the Borg into something grand, but dropped the ball horribly. The whole concept of First Contact was lame as hell, and they never did tell us how they got the Warp Ship back down to Earth?

I just simply disliked this movie because it lacked a lot of what should have been good Star Trek.

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ST-I - It was ok, but it could have been better. Seemed like an overlong episode from the series, but at least Troy & Riker got back together.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't know why I like this movie so much. For me it must be the way it was shot. It is simply a well done movie, err two hour episode, that reminded me of why I enjoyed STNG so much as a series.

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ST-N - Too many questions about this movie that made me not enjoy it. First of all, WEsley was a Traveller Last we saw, so why is he there in uniform? How did the Romulans find a imperfect copy of Data? And why kill off Data? Sure, Brent Spiner may have been tired of the role, but if this was going to be the Last film of this crew, I thought it was unnecessary.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Again this movie could have been something special but instead it became something far less than it could have become.

All in all ST II The Wrath Of Kahn holds the top honor out of the 10 movies. Why you ask? Because it is a classic good vs evil, action packed drama with history, talent, suspence and a good honest story that simply was brillant.

oleg January 7th, 2004 10:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

Babylon 5 was written years before DS9 was ever aired so to say it copied Babylon 5 is incorrect. Great minds do think alike, and to say that Paramout copied Warner Brothers is wrong.


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"great minds do think alike" is a great excuse for the plagiat. And that is exactly what Paramount did, IMO.

narf poit chez BOOM January 7th, 2004 10:47 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
can i get an expansion of those acronyms? i'm not to good at converting acronyms into names. thanks.

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 11:03 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Atrocities:

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Seems to me that you should love Babylon 5... much of DS9 was a ripoff of B5 in the first place...

Babylon 5 was written years before DS9 was ever aired so to say it copied Babylon 5 is incorrect. Great minds do think alike, and to say that Paramout copied Warner Brothers is wrong.


</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"great minds do think alike" is a great excuse for the plagiat. And that is exactly what Paramount did, IMO.
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<font color=red>No offense to any one implied or intended, all opinions are equal here.</font>

There really is no connection between B5 and DS9. If you look at the stories and compare them episode to episode, there are no comparissions. The Federation never had a Civil War or a Psy Core. The only comparissions that can be made are the name Dukat, and wow, they both have a fricking space station. Whoop'd'do call the lawyers we have a lawsuit!

Seriously, B5 was the better series and we all know this. The two series were so far apart from one another that NO ONE at paramount or Warner Brothers ever said anything about the other copying anything from the other.

This comparisson is ubserd at best and ridiculous to even be discussing IMHO.

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
can i get an expansion of those acronyms? i'm not to good at converting acronyms into names. thanks.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ST 1 = (ST I) Star Trek The Motion Picture
ST 2 = (ST II) Star Trek The Wrath of Kahn
ST 3 = (ST III) Star Trek The Search For Spock
ST 4 = (ST IV) Star Trek The Voyage Home
ST 5 = (ST V) Star Trek The Final Frontier
ST 6 = (ST VI) Star Trek The Undiscovered Country
ST 7 = (ST VII) Star Trek Generations
ST 8 = (ST VIII) Star Trek First Contact
ST 9 = (ST IX) Star Trek Insurrection
ST 10 = (ST X) Star Trek Nemesis

TMP = The Motion Picture
FC = First Contact
I = Insurrection

TOS = Trek Original Series
STNG and TNG = Star Trek The Next Generation
Ent = Enterprise
DS9 = Deep Space Nine
Voy = Voyager

B5 = Babylon 5

STTMP = Star Trek The Motion Picture
STTWoK = Star Trek The Wrath Of Kahn
STTSFS = Star Trek The Search For Spock
STTVH = Star Trek The Voyage Home
STTFF = Star Trek The Final Frontier
STTUDC = Star Trek The Undiscovered Country
STG = Star Trek Generations
STFC = Star Trek First Contact
STI = Star Trek Insurrection
STN = Star Trek Nemesis

narf poit chez BOOM January 7th, 2004 11:24 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
thanks.

*join the FAAA and help end the madness! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif *

oleg January 7th, 2004 12:01 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
<font color=red>No offense to any one implied or intended, all opinions are equal here.</font>

There really is no connection between B5 and DS9. If you look at the stories and compare them episode to episode, there are no comparissions. The Federation never had a Civil War or a Psy Core. The only comparissions that can be made are the name Dukat, and wow, they both have a fricking space station. Whoop'd'do call the lawyers we have a lawsuit!

Seriously, B5 was the better series and we all know this. The two series were so far apart from one another that NO ONE at paramount or Warner Brothers ever said anything about the other copying anything from the other.

This comparisson is ubserd at best and ridiculous to even be discussing IMHO.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">JMS himself implied that authors of DS9 plagiarized his work. Fragment of the discussion with JMS posting:
http://lists.cs.columbia.edu/piperma...ay/003950.html

narf poit chez BOOM January 7th, 2004 12:07 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
personally, i think all tv shows should be distributed via internet. that way, we could pay for the shows we like and no commercials.

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 12:10 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
I think George Lucas made the same claim about Battlestar Galactica.

The point is, simularities do not mean plagerism occured. I can understand JMS's position, but he has no proof that it occured. Besides, even it if they did steal from him, and I yes it is possible, he never filed a complaint or lawsuit over it.

To stand back 10 years after the fact now and say they stoled from him, well whats the point really? To prove me wrong and shut me up? If there is no proof, there is no proof. It all becomes speculation and accusation, and that is something I simply could careless about.

If they stoled from him, then shame on them. I don't like the people who produced DS9 for the most part as they all think they are the greatest thing to ever walk the earth. So ya it is possible that they did steal from JMS, and if they did, I sincerely hope that someday he proves it and makes them all look like the arse holes they are.

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 12:15 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
personally, i think all tv shows should be distributed via internet. that way, we could pay for the shows we like and no commercials.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Narf they tied that twice before. Cable and then later Satellite TV. Pay for a subscription on the premis that there will be less or no commericals, but guess what, they lied.

Eventually they will offer such a service, but again it will have commericals. IF they say it won't, remember they hold doctorate degrees in lying to people.

I wonder what an employer would think if you applied for a job and your Doctrate was Lying?

gregebowman January 7th, 2004 03:05 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
I agree. Even though there are some fairly minor similarities (whoa, a space station, whopee!!), the storylines and backgrounds were so dissimilar that I could never see any plagiarism. But I must admit, there are some episodes on both shows I never saw.

Also, Atrocities, I agree that ST 2 was the best of the movies, but there's one thing about the movie that's been bugging me for 22 years now. Who were Khan's crew? They looked way too young to be his original co-fugitives; and they looked too old to be 13 or 14 year olds, as this movie happened about 15 years after the Space Seed episode. And Joachim wasn't the original actor either; they used a younger actor. Anybody got a clue?

Cipher7071 January 7th, 2004 03:55 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

personally, i think all tv shows should be distributed via internet. that way, we could pay for the shows we like and no commercials.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">narf, isn't that what they said when cable TV first came out?


Must have seen all of the original Star Trek episodes three times at least, but do you think I can remember the names?

The ones alredy mentioned that I like best are "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "Spock's Brain."

Not mentioned is the episode where they come upon a planet where there are no adults, and find out that it's because a disease kills everyone as soon as they reach puberty. The catch is that it also slows down the aging process.

Another one I like is "Skin of Evil," from the 'next generation' series.

oleg January 7th, 2004 03:58 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by gregebowman:
I agree. Even though there are some fairly minor similarities (whoa, a space station, whopee
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Simililarities !? Do you know the history how DS9 come to life at the first place ?
Here is another JMS post on the subject:
_______________________________________________

IslanderUK wrote: "I seem to recall reading in one of the B5 magazines that when JMS was
first trying to sell the idea of B5, he was aware that DS9 was also in
the pipeline, so to say that DS9 is a knock-off is not strictly true
although some of the later story lines are similar."

Negative. We began trying to sell the B5 series to everyone in
town, including Paramount, 5 years prior to getting a Go order. The B5
series was announced in early November of that year. There was NO set
ST series by that point. Over the following Christmas weekend, I got a
phone call from someone very closely involved with Trek, who said,
"They just decided what the new Trek show is going to be. It's about a
space station that's a center of commerce, with a travel gate nearby."

So your information is quite incorrect. Nor did it come from
the B5 magazine (there's only one).

"Still JMS must be quite pleased if it is a knock-off, as to copy ones
ideas is the greatest form of praise."

Let me steal your car and see if you feel the same way
afterward.

jms

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 04:05 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by gregebowman:
I agree. Even though there are some fairly minor similarities (whoa, a space station, whopee!!), the storylines and backgrounds were so dissimilar that I could never see any plagiarism. But I must admit, there are some episodes on both shows I never saw.

Also, Atrocities, I agree that ST 2 was the best of the movies, but there's one thing about the movie that's been bugging me for 22 years now. Who were Khan's crew? They looked way too young to be his original co-fugitives; and they looked too old to be 13 or 14 year olds, as this movie happened about 15 years after the Space Seed episode. And Joachim wasn't the original actor either; they used a younger actor. Anybody got a clue?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I honestly don't know the answer to this. It has been debated for many years, but I personally think that the crew we saw in ST II were primarly made up of crew members that we did not see in Space Seed.

Ever wonder why Kahn recognized Chekov even though he was not in the episode?

Walter K. explained this once at a convention that I attened for work. (News Pass)

He stated that he was working the night shift and was not feeling so good. On his way to the bridge he had to stop and use one of the Crew restrooms. Khan in the mean time could not get his toilet to work and you know after being frozen for 200 years, he had to go pretty damn bad. So he ran out of his quarters and went right to the same crew restroom that Chekov was using. Needless to say Chekov told him to wait and Kahn being Khan ripped the door open, grabbed poor Chekov lifting him into the air and said, "I will never foget your face!" Then threw him to the corridor deck and stepped into the restroom and closed the door.

If he said it went down this way, who are we to argue. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ January 07, 2004, 14:08: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

gregebowman January 7th, 2004 05:24 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by gregebowman:
I agree. Even though there are some fairly minor similarities (whoa, a space station, whopee!!), the storylines and backgrounds were so dissimilar that I could never see any plagiarism. But I must admit, there are some episodes on both shows I never saw.

Also, Atrocities, I agree that ST 2 was the best of the movies, but there's one thing about the movie that's been bugging me for 22 years now. Who were Khan's crew? They looked way too young to be his original co-fugitives; and they looked too old to be 13 or 14 year olds, as this movie happened about 15 years after the Space Seed episode. And Joachim wasn't the original actor either; they used a younger actor. Anybody got a clue?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I honestly don't know the answer to this. It has been debated for many years, but I personally think that the crew we saw in ST II were primarly made up of crew members that we did not see in Space Seed.

Ever wonder why Kahn recognized Chekov even though he was not in the episode?

Walter K. explained this once at a convention that I attened for work. (News Pass)

He stated that he was working the night shift and was not feeling so good. On his way to the bridge he had to stop and use one of the Crew restrooms. Khan in the mean time could not get his toilet to work and you know after being frozen for 200 years, he had to go pretty damn bad. So he ran out of his quarters and went right to the same crew restroom that Chekov was using. Needless to say Chekov told him to wait and Kahn being Khan ripped the door open, grabbed poor Chekov lifting him into the air and said, "I will never foget your face!" Then threw him to the corridor deck and stepped into the restroom and closed the door.

If he said it went down this way, who are we to argue. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">IIRC, I heard the similar story from George Takei at the only Star Trek convention I've ever attended in Phoenix. It is a funny story, even if it may not be true.

Fyron January 7th, 2004 06:58 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by gregebowman:
I agree. Even though there are some fairly minor similarities (whoa, a space station, whopee

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Simililarities !? Do you know the history how DS9 come to life at the first place ?
Here is another JMS post on the subject:
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Gotta love speculation based directly on fact... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Electrum January 7th, 2004 08:08 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
What do you think about the making of New TOS series with for download. go to:
http://www.5yearmission.com

As far as the ST Franchise, I've enjoyed it all. So they mess up the continuity. So what! Just enjoy the ride!

gregebowman January 7th, 2004 08:20 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Most people don't know this, but there was going to be a second Star Trek series featuring the original crew. They went so far as to have models made and some scripts were written. But for whatever reason, they made ST:TMP instead. One wonders what that series may have been like.

JurijD January 7th, 2004 08:23 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
TNG: I like the whole series but I like the Offspring (Data makes another android) and The first one with Hyu .. (the borg... I don't know how its spelled) best.

Voyager: Endgame http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

DS9: Whole show, prolly the ones at the end best.

Enterprise: the one they meet the Romulans for the first time, don't know the title.

Electrum January 7th, 2004 08:25 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
OK! I can't type well. Let me clarify my Last post. go to the mentioned link. A number of people have gotten together to make episodes of TOS. They got different actors and it's low budget. These will only be available for download

Puke January 7th, 2004 09:07 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Electrum:
What do you think about the making of New TOS series with for download. go to:
http://www.5yearmission.com

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hey, that looks like it could be really cool!

Atrocities January 7th, 2004 10:25 PM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by gregebowman:
Most people don't know this, but there was going to be a second Star Trek series featuring the original crew. They went so far as to have models made and some scripts were written. But for whatever reason, they made ST:TMP instead. One wonders what that series may have been like.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Out of all the scripts they commissioned for Series II, only one made it to STNG. Any one remember the episode where the women changes into the Klingon devil and trys to claim ownership over an entire planet?

Loser January 8th, 2004 01:10 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Out of all the scripts they commissioned for Series II, only one made it to STNG. Any one remember the episode where the women changes into the Klingon devil and trys to claim ownership over an entire planet?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yeah, that was a great idea. "Any sufficiently advanced technology..."

Paul1980au January 8th, 2004 01:21 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
ANy sufficent technology is that which allows space flight.

Fyron January 8th, 2004 02:21 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Erm... no it isn't. The Aztecs thought that the first Spanish conquistadors were ancient gods returned to them, because they had sufficiently advanced technology for it to look like magic. Gunpowder muskets compared to bows and spears, anyone?

Cipher7071 January 8th, 2004 06:20 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Fyron...I like the range.

Fyron January 8th, 2004 06:22 AM

Re: Favorite Star Trek episode
 
Huh? What range? I am confused. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif


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