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I just watched a very interesting documentary on black holes that proposed a fascinating theory as to why we haven't been visited by alien life forms yet.

If we take into account the scales of the galaxy and the number of planets there ought to be at least some alien civilisations. And these would most likely be millions if not billions of years ahead of us in terms of technological development. And on that time scale they should have been able to develop some sort of faster than light travel. (and even if they didn't...just by jumping from one star to the next slower then light one could colonize the entire galaxy in a few million years). So why haven't we seen any evidence of aliens comming to visit?

Well recent calculations on the development of black holes have revealed that just before their formation as the star starts to collapse into themselves a HUGE SCHOCKWAVE or Gamma radiation is shot out into space. And the intestity of this radiation is such that it equals 10^9*10ˇ9*10^9 = 10^27 the ammount released in the most powerful hydrogen bomb we have.

So these guys went on to calculate that if such a black hole were to appear up to several hundred light years away from our solar system it would practicaly STERILISE all advanced life on our planet. (perhaps those bacteria deep inside the earth mantle would survive). quote: "It would be the equivalent of Hiroshima type bombs going off all over the planet."

As they can track these Gamma ray "explosions" via a sattelite in orbit (only with a delay of the time it takes for the light to come to us) they began to calculate the probability of something like this happening in our "backyard".
And the recent results (not very accurate yet) say that is possible that these events are frequent enough to sterilise entire regions of the galaxy in short enough time scales to really make it improbable for advanced lifeforms to develop often. ... so I guess we're pretty lucky http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 06, 2004, 11:20: Message edited by: JurijD ]

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Seems a bit flawed to me. There are enought backyards in our galaxy to have a few aliens somewhere.

But we haven't seen any martians yet...
May be they are waiting that our specie don't produce anymore the Saddam/Hitler type anymore to consider us as sentient ?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your surely mean Bush/Blair right?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Even if these calculationa are correct, you underestimate the effect of 100 LY. Simple calculation reveals 10^30 attenuation factor. At worst it will be like radiation 1000 km away from the bomb. Extensive hydrogen bomb tests in 50s and 60s proved that there is nothing to fear http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Besides, the time duration odf star collapes is surely much longer than H-bomb explosion and the _intensity_ of the radiation will be very small indeed.

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Maybe these events are not enough to sterlize every habitable planet but it sounds like they'd do a good job of screwing up attempts to make interstellar journeys and colonize new worlds. This might be a good explanation for why there aren't space-faring civilizations everywhere.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your surely mean Bush/Blair right? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That is ridiculous, and partisan politics at its finest. Waging one small scale war (relative to the size/power of the country waging it) is NOTHING compared to what Saddam and Hitler did. What they did is not good, but certainly there is no valid basis of comparison with Saddam or Hitler.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why do I get the sinking sensation that a black-hole has just formed nearby?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I beg to differ. Are 50.000 Iraqi lives less a value compared to 6.000.000 jews or 50.000 Kurds?
Either one is commited to peace or one isn't. How many people a stupid leader (like Hitler or Bush or Saddam) kills really isn't up to him/her but is decided by other influences at the time.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I beg to differ. Are 50.000 Iraqi lives less a value compared to 6.000.000 jews or 50.000 Kurds?
Either one is commited to peace or one isn't. How many people a stupid leader (like Hitler or Bush or Saddam) kills really isn't up to him/her but is decided by other influences at the time. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So we should give France back to the Germans with profuse apologies and reparations for that day/night strategic bombing campaign?

I mean they were rude to use an army to take it over, but to your logic we had no right to use an army to take it back and instead should have "committed to peace" and simply used stern language to reprove Hitler for his deeds...
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JurijD... the loss of life in this war is nothing compared to the amount of blood on Saddam's hands, or to the amount of blood that would have been added in the future. Stern words with Saddam have failed for 8 years. Stern words with Hitler failed. Appeasement to tyrants is proven to be a BAD (strike that, horrendous) idea, by the events leading up to WWII and the war itself. We should learn from history so that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past.

Regardless of whether the war was "right" or not, you can not argue with the fact that with Saddam out of power, Iraq will become a better place. War is sometimes a necessary evil so that greater peace may be possible. You also can not argue with the fact that every nation that the US has knocked down and then rebuilt has become a rather successful, peaceful nation. Japan? Germany? Our worst enemies in WWII, yet allies and trading partners nowadays? It is only when nations are "rebuilt" by the UN that they have failed (not in all cases, but in some). Or when the Soviets or European colonial powers got involved... East Germany? Nearly every nation in Africa? Many in southern Asia? India? Well, India is (slowly) progressing, but it is still on the whole a very impoverished nation. Now, why does the US do this? Is it because we are nice and want to help people? Probably not. More likely it is because it is more profitable (and much safer) to build them up as friends and trade with them than it is to subjugate them. I'll take US imperialism over European imperialism any day. Iraq will (hopefully) be no exception.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You are so wrong Oleg... As I said they calculated that the intensity of the radiation over a couple hundred light years will be enough to kill us. I didn't underestimate the distances and neither did they. You on the other hand seem to have underestimated the ammount of gamma radiation that is released when all the outer material of a star if transormed into pure energy...

And u obviously didn't do those simple calculations you mentioned either. Lets assume this:

1. at a distance of 10km from the center of an explosion of an H-bomb the radiation IS LETHAL (we can all agree to that).

2. Lets say that the density of radiation comming from that H-bomb explosion at 10km distance is J1 = P/S1 (J1 being the density, S1 the surface area of a sphere at 1km and P the power output of the bomb)

3. At a distance of 100 Light years from the H-bomb the Density of radiation would therefore be J2=P/S2 where S2 is the surface of the radiation sphere at (9,4608*10^14 km = 100 light years)

As J2*S2=J1*S1, J2=J1*S1/S2, J2=J1*R1^2/R2^2
R1=10km
R2=9,4608*10^14 km

J2 is about 10^28th smaller than J1. that means that if we had an explosion 10^27 biggeer than that H-bomb we postulated could kill us at 10km, our dosage at 100 light years would be something like 10% of the dosage we get standing 10km from an H-bomb explosion.

To put it another way... if a back hole goes off somewhere in the distance of 100 light years we get the same ammout of radiation as if we were standing 30km from the center of a H-bomb explosion. (do the math yourself if you want).

And we musn't forget that these explosions don't stop in a few hours or days but can Last up to several decades or even more... The cumulative effect of that kind of radiation on the biosphere over so long would be devastating to say the least. And I was calculating for 100 light years... the systems at less than 50 or so would get totally fried anyway.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No France belongs to the French ... but an appology for the hundreds of thousands of women and children that were killed by the fire bombs in Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin etc. would be appropriate much the same way as the german administration apologized for bombing London and killing all those civilians.

But you prolly didn't learn about this side of teh conflict Sinapus... In war there are no bad guys and good guys, there are only soldiers each fighting for what they thing is a just cause... and whoever wins gets to decide who's cause was realy just.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">1. No country has the right to attack another if not for self-defence(Read up on your international law).

2.The US has SCREWED up every country it ever tried to "build-up". Germany succeded because the Germans knew what needed to be done and didn't need the Americans to tell them anything. Same story with Japan. Now lets take a look at Liberia ... or maybe Sout America? How many government cues did the CIA start down there?? I lost count at 5 or 6. Argentina, Columbia, Salvador... it goes on and on.

3. The US killed off almost every other living being on their continent except the english speaking settlers... At least in Europe we were able to preserve our differences and keep peace for the greater proportion of history. Sure there were wars but only because people like the original american settlers wanted to wipe everyone else out but themselves... BUT they all failed and now we have a culturaly diverse Europe that is peaceful.... Which is more than your people were able to do... just look at your cities for gods sake... you people are divided into regions based on your skin color... come to Paris or Berlin and we'll give you Equality.

"All men are created equal..." yeah right tell that to all the native americans and black slaves you imported to your country.

And at a time when the world was going through a revolution in science and art your people actually brought back slavery and build up your country on that. Mucho gracias...

4. You people are so paranoid that Bush actually managed to persuade you that attacking Iraq is imperative. And now... your administration is begging for European countries to bring in troops of their own to help bare the costs of your GRAND PLANs not working out... The Iraquis would kick you out ina second if they could.

In conclusion:
1. The War in Iraq was WRONG it was the most disturbing turn of events since the war in Bosnia. And Bush & co. should be put to trial together with Saddam for what they have done.

2. If the US wanted to to the RIGHT THING they should have lifted the embargo and let the Iraqis breathe. But noooo... every time that was proposed you gave veto. But as Mr. Bushes EGO was to big he couln't swallow it and say: ok saddam lets work something out... we'll lift the sanctions and you'll let the inspectors in... no he had to go kill off something like 50k of soldiers in iraq.

3. The inspectors were in Iraq, Saddam didn't have one single piece of Nuclear or Bio or Chem warfare agents and the whole case Powel presented in the UN was laughable. Sure Saddam is an evil dictator but it is not our (or the USes) place to judge another country. It is it's own unit protected by international law and must be respected as such. Sooner or later the Iraqis would deal with Saddam on their own AND create a country based on what they think is right. Every time another country got involved and tried to modify another one by fore it led to DISASTER. And Iraq will be no different. At least they had water to drink some food to eat and electricity in their cities before. But now... half a year has gone by and we still hear the same old stuff.
The US should get the hell out of Iraq and let the UN sort things out.

4. Tell me this. If The Us is so concerned with evil dictators. Why in gods name were you allies with SADDAM UP TO 1991 ????

[ January 06, 2004, 18:41: Message edited by: JurijD ]

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Take this for example... If say in a distant future a powerful islamic country were to attack the US because they thought your ways are perverted and your rulers are inhumane forcing every woman to work for her living and your health and education systems for creating getos.

wouln't that be fun... its the same thing with iraq just turned upside down.

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I sense the shockwave from this thread imploding into another political argument. No wonder they seem to turn off intel so often. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I sense the deep wisdom of your words http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Hmm... where or where did my post go? Must have been an internet glitch. Oh well. *kicks DSL* Not worth retyping it, as this isn't going to go anywhere.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">alright, im not going to get into the political pissing match with you guys, as neither of you seems to have any interest more than a fraction of one side of the story, but the above comments on peacefull Europe are just absurd. Thanks, I actually got to laugh out loud.

You have a 60 year reprieve after over 2000 years of bloody conflict, and you think you've invented utopia? did you even think about that before you typed it?

Western civilation suffered a thousand year decline after the classical period, technology and philosophy was lost, and only at the turn of the 20th century were we just rediscovering the Last of the principals of calculus invented by Aristotel, who was killed by Romans in 322 BCE!

Give yourselves a few years, you'll be at war again. Theres constant war just to the east of you, and you're funding plenty of wars in Africa.

Im not going to tell you that anyone else is any better, but dont be so quick to pat youself on the back while youre taking a **** on someone else.

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1. Noone is funding wars in Africa apart from the US.

2. The "classical period" lol, yeah just another word for a time when 40% of the population were slaves... but hey your "classical" period was only 200 years back (50 years in some parts... oh and still is in others) no argument there.

3. Every US administration since the late 1970s was scared ****less that Europe might unite, kick them out and now that that is finally happening no wonder you people are paranoid about every little dispute in the security concil... I mean having 2 vetos and 1 more on the road is a big deal.

4. Anyone who says that Europe will get into another war is either stupid or thinks april fools is comming earlay this year. The old disputes over teritory and so on are irrelevent if you don't have any borders. Its like thinking Texas will invade Arizona or whatever to gain a few acres of land.

The historical development of Europe and the US is not at debate here anyway. I'm sure we each had our ups and downs. What is at debate however is the arrogant nature by which the US is trying to shape the world by its standards.

I mean why the hell isn't North Korea allowed nuclear weapons, is the US any better? Or Pakistan or India for that matter? The only reason why the US is trying so hard to "control" nuclear weapons is so they can BULLY everyone else into complying with their politics. And Since the unfortunate failure of Soviet Union, the US seems to think they'll be #1 for ever...

[ January 06, 2004, 22:25: Message edited by: JurijD ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I always knew your schools don't give you much knowledge of history but I never suspected it was this bad... Don't judge the entire history based on the events of the first part of the 20th century.

I know there is no convincing you people that we did in fact ... inspite of all opposition and backstabbing by the US ... invet a sort of "utopia". Because for the first time in history countries have join together and eliminated borders, differences but retained cultures, Languages and all without a drop of blod.

I'm proud of it and I think our children will be too. I'm proud that I can say that this union wasn't born of war but of peace. If you can say the same about the US with a straight face be my guest.

[ January 06, 2004, 22:35: Message edited by: JurijD ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">alright, im not going to get into the political pissing match with you guys, as neither of you seems to have any interest more than a fraction of one side of the story, but the above comments on peacefull Europe are just absurd. Thanks, I actually got to laugh out loud.

You have a 60 year reprieve after over 2000 years of bloody conflict, and you think you've invented utopia? did you even think about that before you typed it?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Worse: the profile says JurijD is from Slovenia.

Yes, people in Europe have had decades of peace devoid of icky people wanting to wipe out anyone but themselves. Especially the Balkans. Yep. No wars there for decades. Nope. Saw nothink. All is peace and calm. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif (...used since there is no vomit smiley I can find.)

Quote:

Originally posted by JurijD: I always knew your schools don't give you much knowledge of history but I never suspected it was this bad... Don't judge the entire history based on the events of the first part of the 20th century.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">....

Your ignorance is amazing. Your neighboring country of Croatia was invaded barely a decade ago and... nevermind. There is obviously no point in discussing things with you.

[ January 06, 2004, 22:41: Message edited by: Sinapus ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't need someone from the far side of the globe telling me about what happened in my back yard. You poeple are amazing, I never said there weren't any wars here. I said that we kept peace FOR THE GREATER PART OF OUR HISTORY! (calculate years of war for a country and divide by total time).

And another thing I was born in Sarajevo so I don't need you telling me what the difference between war and peace is and who did what in what war on the Balkans.

The reasons why you Americans are posting back and quoting only specific things is because I HURT YOUR EGO by saying the US wasn't such a nice country your great leaders claim it to be and you're responsible for a PILE of **** all over the globe, especially int he Last few decades when you got your courage back since those big ol Russian missles aren't targeting your cities any more.

[ January 06, 2004, 22:50: Message edited by: JurijD ]

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Now lets cut the crap and leve it as it is as we obviously won't get anywhere with this. Its like trying to make the Cardassians appologize to the Bajorans (for a lack of a better example:).

Try to really elect a president this year, don't go to the courts again... thats another thing the classics taught us... separating the 3 pillars of power.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Look here kid, you didnt hurt me ego, so dont be quite so proud of youself. I dont want any part in your political arguement. Yep, we're bullies. Yep, we dont want anyone else to have the weapons and power we have. Yep, we want to be the only superpower. A bit concerned about China and all the smaller fringe Groups that can pose a decentralized threat to our supremacy, and a touch worried about the unified European economy, but basically happy to be the top dog during this brief moment of history.

So now that I've gone an agreed with all the evil things you'd like to accuse us of over here, I'll repeat the reasons why I think you're being silly. First, you seem to think you've discovered some great secret, or that what we're doing is contrary to human nature, or that what you're doing is the next step of evolution. Get over your self. Neither of us are that special.

Second, you are plainly ignoring history. The dark ages Lasted hundres of years. The Pope begged kings and warlords to stop using crossbows and to stop killing other Christians. The Germans invaded Rome and put puppet popes in the Vatican on numerous occasions. France and England were at war for 100 years. Spain was conquered by Arabs and then took Iberia back, and started an inquisition to burn out the Last traces of forign religion. Its not the Last century im judging you on, its human history. And its not just you. im not just looking at the first half of this century, im looking at the history of our species.

China fell to the barbarian hordes, whom became the leaders of new dynasties. Japan underwent centuries of constant warfare. The age of exploration and the age of imperialism saw the bloody conquest of the entire globe by European superpowers. less than 200 Spaniards butchered 80,000 Incas without losing a man, and that was just one battle. England fought wars in China to force them to continue to buy opium. The Aztecs conquered and enslaved their neighbors. The plains indians of north america had mass graves where they burried the entire tribes of their enemies. Islanders from New Zeland conquered almost every other island in the pacific, reshaping them in their own image.

Cave men had sharp sticks

Monkies had rocks

If you still have your peacefull and borderless society in 200 years, you will have a reason to brag. Right now, the only thing you are telling me is that you are a hapless victim of propoganda. Which is okay, if most of the world didnt believe what they are fed by the media, how would the powers that be stay in control?

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Good one, Puke. Not too rough, not at all apologetic.

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I have little to add to what Puke said (though he was being his usual pukey self there... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). My post that disappeared in the transition from notepad to internet touched on several of the issues he addressed anyways.

Now is the perfect time for all of you that have not yet rated Puke to give him the 1 that he so wants! (and according to Puke, deserves) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

(and you can go do a search to find the several threads (or many) in which he has specifically asked to be down-rated to a 1)

[ January 07, 2004, 00:44: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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I can't tell any more if this is a discussion of or an argument for galactic sterilization. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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Argument for perhaps...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">can you point to the original paper you got all this crap from. There are so many flawed and overly hyped "models" publish these days one can hardly believe all this doomsday nonsense.

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But he can bash the US and its citizens... what more could he ask for? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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I searched around for more information about gamma ray bursts, and I found some articles discussing the bursts and the possibility of danger to life on earth:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/seti-99a.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gamma/milkyway.html
http://www.nature.com/nsu/030922/030922-7.html http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEMV...D_index_0.html

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">and how! moderate me down before someone mistakenly places credibility on anything i say!

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note one P-reading: ignore the insults. ignore the junk. concentrate on the points. their there.

oh, and if you really feel he needs it, i'll lend a hammer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">and how! moderate me down before someone mistakenly places credibility on anything i say! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Fyron that is just cold man. Cold. I rated him 5 some time ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif and stand by it. And Narf, there will be no hammer lending here! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif We use mallets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">hey, if it's got a handle and a blunt head, i'm all for it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Puke... you're someone that want to appologize the actions of your stupid leaders by saying:

" hey! we're not so bad if the Europeans did it a few centuries back."

Its the AGE OLD EXCUSE the Nazis used... "please don't blame me for killing all those jews... I was ordered to do it"

Or the murderer:"Don't blame me for killing them, It's in my NATURE, its in my blood... I couln't help it"

Way to go:) You really convinced me that the actions of your beloved county were justified with that. yeah right...

I mean come on watch something else besides CNN and FOX. Talk to other people, ask someone from Iraq what he/she thinks about Bush or someone from Europe for that matter or India or China or whatever.... don't take my word for it, take the worlds word.

If then you'll still think that the majority of the world approves pf what you are doing I'll take all I said back.

By your logic its ok that you killed off all those native americans because HEY... they had mass graves of their own. And its ok that you killed something like 50k of Iraqi soldiers in the two gulf wars because hey... their leaders were killing them anyway so lets kill a whole bunch more and we'll make it all better for them.

But since this board is dominated by people from the US I didn't even think for one minute you'll be able to see past the mistakes your country is making these days....

cheers

P.S.: Its too bad really you people could learn from the mistakes European countries made all those centuries ago when they tried to divide the world between themselves. But no... you have to have it the hard way. Ok fine by me:) We'll see how things stand in 200 years ... lol

[ January 07, 2004, 11:10: Message edited by: JurijD ]

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*dogscoff uses his stellar manip components to trigger a black hole event in the middle of the thread. Those people actually reading the thread for the on-topic stuff are prepared for the burst of Gamma radiation and manage to shield themselves in time. Everyone else is too busy discussing politics to notice and gets fried instantly. Sorry guys.

One thing about this whole black hole sterilisation theory is that it assumes that alien life-forms are as (un)resistant to radiation as humans. There could be life forms out there that would are highly resistant to this stuff and would therefore survive.

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*Narf tries to eat Dogscoff's brains*

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Interesting how you read what you wanted to hear out of Puke's post, and not what he actually posted JurijD. Though, I suppose that was to be expected.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Fyron that is just cold man. Cold. I rated him 5 some time ago http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif and stand by it. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">People like you make me sick. Can't even give a guy the rating he requests. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif j/k

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">no, you are still not paying attention. i'm not appologizing for anything. im admitting that we're on top, and behaving badly. theres no excuses here.

im telling you that you are downright stupid (i said silly before, but you keep dragging it out) for glorifying yourself, vilifying those whom you think are your enemy, and ignoring historical realities in favor of your own rose-colored worldview.

people are animals. wake the hell up, and stop crying about it to me.

you want to argue politics, do it with someone else. if you haven't noticed, im not disagreeing with anything besides your propoganda about one group of people (which has never been one unified group) being a peace loving, brotherly, pillar of civility.

So go ahead, continue your political discussion as if I hadnt interupted. Just dont complain when I poke my head in and make fun of you, when you are ignoring everything we know about history from written accounts, verbal traditions, and archeological evidence. Dont worry, I'll make fun of the Americans, too.

definitly an arugement FOR galactic sterilization. crimeny, i hope it happens sooner than later. preferably after a good night on the town, and before the hangover.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">okay, maybe i was saying that. but i stand by it. people are killers, its what we do. im not telling you our way is the right way, or that we are so great, or that people love us, or that we're helping anyone, or even that most people in our country like what we are doing. thats why i try not to get into these things. Our empire will probably be over in a few hundred years. I doubt we have anywhere to go but down. Thats the way history is. There will be someone else after us, and someone else after them.

You cant just choose not to participate, and have your peaceful society on the sidelines - those are the people whom are crushed and exploited by whomever is in power at the time. The Incas would have been happy to have not participated, so would have the Japanese in the 1500s. So would have China. So would have the tribsemen in the Congo, and the Inuit, and the Maori. But 'opting-out' isnt a valid option, its eat or be eaten. Thanks to modern society, we have stopped evolving biologically - but cultural evolution continues. Yeah, lots of people would like to live in peace - but unless there really is a divine hand in the universe, they're not going to get to.

[ January 07, 2004, 18:08: Message edited by: Puke ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">oh yeah, lets see how clever you think that is, when the space ship of Giant Mutant Radioactive Cockroaches actually LANDS. good thing we had 50s 'B' movies to prepair us for the day...

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Puke... we seem to be talking about two different things. Thats why we don't see eye to eye, Fyron you have no clue what we're talking about but that was to be expected.

1. Ok you admit that you people are wrong for what you're doing. We agree on this.

2. You're saying we're the same as you are because people are pigs. NO I dissagree! We did make mistakes in tha past but the political stand Germany&France took on the Iraq issue is the right one and that is that.

3. Everything else that was said is irrelevant.


Astrocities... banta poo.. I like it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif hehe. But you're forgetting that the black hole in the center of the galaxy has already formed and won't produce a Gamma ray explosion. Phew.

Oleg... noone said this was a proven theory and it was all 100% true. What I gave here was a theory that was proposed by several scientists that are obserbving these gamma reay bursts. And since you obviously ignored my claculation that clearly showed that is is possible for an Gamma ray explosion of 10^27th power of an Hbomb to kill us 100 yight years away I won't waste another word.

About life forms that are resistant to radiation... yes that is a valid point we don't know how radiation will affect other life forms but yopu gotta admit that if you're something like 10 light years from this excplosion and you get 100x the dosage you get at an H-bomb rexplosion... well that can't be good for anything. I think its only a function of the distance.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">no, i dont. i didnt say anything of the sort. stop trying to get me into this. i just said we aren't RIGHT. because there is no right and wrong, its all subjective. you dont like it, so its making you mad. fine, be mad at someone else, i dont care about politics. or be mad at ME because im a nasty person, just stop trying to put words in my mouth.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ooooOOOOooooh, im so glad you're "right." Is god on your side too? god was also on the cananites side, the egyptians, the mohamadians, the jews, the eastern orthodox, and danm near everyone else whom was "right." Congratulations on being "right."

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You know, the scariest thing is that if most of the world is wiped out, we probably have the technology to breed the human race back to health, even with very little stock. The problem is that the people whom survive would be those who spend their time in bunkers like NORAD, so the future generations of the human race would be made up entirely from CAREER GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. Career MILITARY employees, if being government wasnt bad enough.

unfortuneatly, the military tends to be a vicious cycle of stupididy, much like the vicious circle of poverty, but slightly different. higher ranks are often full of dipsticks, so the smart people dont re-enlist. so only morons advance, thus perpetuating the cycle.

So there we have it. the future of SE4 style galactic combat will be fought out by inbred military morons, vs giant radioactive cockroaches. glorious.

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New tech trees for inbred cockroach races that are military reps.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Aye, but for some damn reason, The milky way, just like the rest of the universe is apparently dispersing rather than being sucked into the hugh black hole at the core of our galaxy.

Pretty "soon", the Magellenic clouds and the milky way galaxies will collide, creating one huge galaxy that will still keep dispersing.

[ January 07, 2004, 23:50: Message edited by: TerranC ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That is an extremely ignorant and naive statement. Too bad that long post I had written disappeared. Oh well. Return to your fantasy world.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">no, i dont. i didnt say anything of the sort. stop trying to get me into this. i just said we aren't RIGHT. because there is no right and wrong, its all subjective. you dont like it, so its making you mad. fine, be mad at someone else, i dont care about politics. or be mad at ME because im a nasty person, just stop trying to put words in my mouth.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is exactly what I was talking about JurijD. You are stereotyping people here and reading what you want to read, not necessarily what was posted.

[ January 08, 2004, 00:09: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Could you explain this one again?

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Isn't the center of our galaxy some super mega black hole? I seem to recall a show on the Discovery channel that talked about this. They figure that in about a billion years we are bantha poodo.

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alright, i was partially joking, and partially basing the statement on what all my friends from the armed forces tell me, so dont take it personally. So forgive me for repeating, I will take your request as an honest search for explaination due to my poor verbalization, rather than incredulity.

1 - military enlistees enter the armed forces for a tour of duty.

2 - short 5-year tour of duty ends, smart enlistees decide that its a bunch of bull**** and decide to go make something else of their life

3 - not-so-smart enlistees re-enlist, and go on to become officers

4 - future smart generations of enlistees see that only morons have made it through to the top ranks, and leave after their first tour, again leaving only the morons to reinslist

5 - cycle repeats ad-nauseam (much like the vicious circle of poverty, where poverty leads to fewer opportunities which leads to more poverty - a well known academic sociological concept)

6 - radiation from a black hole wipes out all the human population, save those senior military people (distilled from generations of moron re-enlistees) whom are in deep bunkers, such as NORAD

7 - with limited gene stock and advanced technology, we repopulate the world with inbred incompetants

8 - elsewhere in the universe, giant mutant radioactive cockroaches are immune to sterilization from blackhole radiation, and somehow achieve spaceflight.

9 - your race options for SE4 suddenly look alot less apealing.