Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Anybody ever wondered why the colony ship didn't move although it was surely ordered? It has happened to me a few times but now I know why.

If your ship has an order to load something and it has no cargo space left, it will clear all its oders. That means if you order a colony ship to colonize a planet, orders will be: load population, move to location, colonize planet. If you manually load the ship full of population after giving the order, the colony ship will clear all its orders when it reach the "load population" point, thus not moving at all.

Orders won't be cleared if there is any cargo space left, even if the unit in question doesn't fit to it.

I will email this to MM.

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hm that's strange. I have done that a lot of times before and never noticed the colony ship to clear its orders http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

I always load the population manually (usually maximum possible) and then hit the colonize button and the orders are not cleared. This may though happen if foe example you load the full cargo of population from 1 planet then give orders to load some more from <u>another</u> planet and then colonize.

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No, the key is as Asmala says you give the ships colonize orders before manually loading the ship. If you give an empty ship the colonize order, what it actually gets is three orders. Load population, move to, and colonize. If you give a ship that already has pop in cargo the colonize order you only get the Last two, move to and colonize. The game is smart enough to see that there is already people on board.

However, if you give the empty ship the colonize order, and then fill it's cargo, it still has all three orders. When the turn gets processed it tries the first order and stops. If you were playing in turn based mode this is where you would see a "Ship cannot load cargo because it is full" message and you'd have to click ok. In simultaneous games though you can't click ok so it just cancels any subsequent orders and waits for the next turn when you can give it orders it can carryout.

This is a very old bug that's been mentioned before. Hopefully it will get fixed this time around. Did you send a savegame with your email Asmala?

Geoschmo

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

There's no problem if you first load the colony ship full of population and after that hit the colonize button, since colony ship won't get the load population order if there is any population on board already.

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Strange it's not fixed if it's a old bug. I'd think it's not very difficult to fix.

It was so late yesterday when I found the bug I decided to send the email later so I haven't sent it yet. Perhaps I should include a savegame to it.

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Is there a new patch history.txt beyond 1.86?

Slick.

[ January 08, 2004, 14:55: Message edited by: Slick ]

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Yeah, this horrendous bug ruins Proportions and AIC AIs in classical turn game (due to the very large population mass) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif According to the next patch history.txt it is going to be fixed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oleg, how is AIC ruined by this bug, what are you talking about; as it applies to AIC http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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Start a classical turn game, then after while switch one of the AIs to your control. Check the message log. You will see "can't load cargo.." Messages. Notice colony ships and population transports hanging around the HW despite many uncolonized planets in the system. Now, save the game and compare two scenarious: 1) continue to play this race with all ministers "on" but with you watching its turns - all those ships will magically start to move as they should. 2) turn this race back to computer, play few turns and then go back to this race - all those ships are still on the orbit and a bunch of "can't load cargo.." http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Oleg you are saying the AI can not Colonize Planets in Standard mode? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif


Thats funny, the AI in my AIC games Colonize very many Planets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And when I compare POP in the score screen they look like they are doing very well with total pop and planets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

True some times the Transports pick up some other units but there is usually room for a pop or two http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It is easier to follow up on the total picture... If the players refer to the Score Screen {f5/scores} - they will see that the AI TOTAL Population and Planet Colonization totals are fine and constantly growing.And are in fact very competitive

[ January 21, 2004, 14:33: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

It will colonize in the beginning but after while it often gets into this "can't load..." mode and stop sending colony ships and transports. Take a closer look after turn ~30 in standard move game and you should see what I mean.

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Oleg, it is after turn 30 that the AI increases its Pop transfers even much more then before this AI actually has Ship Construction 4 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Depending on the AI Race, it is also after Ship Construction 5 that the AI increases its Planet Colonization by one third or more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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As you may recall; with AIC http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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[ January 21, 2004, 15:09: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oleg are you saying "when playing classic movement with a standard set-up" and if we look at the se4 Score screen {f5/scores} - We will no longer see the AI increasing its Planets or Population after turn 30?

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[ January 21, 2004, 15:20: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Please, just start a new game and do what I suggested http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif You will see what I mean. This bug does not kill AIC/Proportions AI completely. Some ships to to fall to this trap and transfer population succesfully. But large portion don't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

Thanks Oleg, will do; as soon as I have a chance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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However, if I or we; track the AI increases from the F9 {key} in-game Score screen and see that they are still in fact " increaseing in population " with increases that are in addition to the standard yearly 10 turn repro increase, and go as far as to say the AI POPULATION score totals is near, even or above my own; should this not be sufficient if they are very competitive and increase in AI competitiveness’ as the game evolves beyond the "third year" ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ January 21, 2004, 16:28: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Bug: If a ship full of cargo tries to load more it will clear all orders
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oleg, how is AIC ruined by this bug, what are you talking about; as it applies to AIC http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

With starliner option it is very tough for Human Players to keep up with any of the AI Pop growth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

With-out the star liner option (ON) it is about even for the Human Players with the AIC AI Pop growth http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

For a 1000 mass mod, the AI for AI Campaign handles population growth in most if not all variations of the se4 game and will out pace Human Players on average http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 21, 2004, 13:12: Message edited by: JLS ]