The Battle of the Baltics
 

After a difficult (slow at first) game against the USA (and unfortunate ending) we were declared victorious... But we want more! Any country willing to take the challenge for a team vs team game? Chicken?
One at a time, please http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 02, 2004, 10:30: Message edited by: Pablo ]

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

I could be in the Finnish team if we get enough players (I will ask my friends). You know, our name comes from the fact that we always finish the arguments... or everything for that matter http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ February 04, 2004, 09:38: Message edited by: Karibu ]

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Nice to hear a voice for a challenge! Just make sure that your friends are 'finnish' too and will not leave the game in the middle without a replacement. Get the players (5-6) here if possible and we will discuss the details.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

This sounds cool, lets see if we get enough Finnish players. I can't promise for others but I won't drop out of the game.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Suggested conditions as in the game against the USA:
----------------------------
Game name: LT vs FIN
Max Players: 14 (7/7) 10 (5/5)
Turn duration: 72 hours
Turn automation: Timed turns only
SE4 Version: Stock v1.84 (Gold Patch 3)

Starting resources: 20000
Starting planets: 3
Home planet value: Good
Score display: Allied
Technology level: Low
Racial points: 3000
Quadrant type: Custom design
Quadrant size: Large
Event frequency: None
Event severity: N/A
Technology cost: Medium
Victory conditions: Last Alliance Standing
Maximum units: 5000
Maximum ships: 5000
Computer players: None
Computer difficulty: N/A
Computer player bonus: N/A
Neutral empires: None

Other game settings:
- Intelligence - YES
- Players can colonize all planet types
- Gifts\Tributes - YES
- Technology Gifts\Tributes\Trades - YES
- Ruins - YES
----------------------------
Rules agreed by LT team. FIN is everything fine for you?

Edit: Asmala, it will be the pleasure to meet you again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[ February 04, 2004, 11:03: Message edited by: Pablo ]

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Stats are fine with me. I asked couple of my friends to join. I will tell here when I receive their answer. Asmala, do you have any finnish friends to join in this game?

Pablo, how the player location is made? Totally random, so the team members would be scattered around in the galaxy or are you able to make them group in one part of the universe?

Also I am able to start the game earliest at march 1st, because I am travelling the Last week of february and unable to be Online during that time.

Lastly, I would like to know who are our future enemies (do they hang in this board?) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks. The game where we meet was Space 3:Expansion if I'm right. It was a nice game (and BIG, I've neither before nor after have over 20M overproduction per turn or build a sphereworld http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ) and you had quite a big empire but the end wasn't good, Vienetai shouldn't have surrendered to me.

About game settings, I'm not sure if ruins are good. In team game they aren't so important but they can still unbalance the game. And I really suggest banning religious trait.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nope, sorry.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Asmala, I do not think that ruins may so much overpower the game to be Banned when they add some unpredictability.
About the talisman - we are for letting it in. If you're afraid of it - use it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

I'm not afraid of it (because I can take it too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) but I've played one 3vs3 team game before and in that game both teams had two talisman players and one support player. IMO it makes the game less interesting. I'm curious how many talisman players there were in Lithuania vs USA game?

The other thing we should consider is ancient trait. It is absolutely sure both teams will have one ancient player and that would make exploring useless, thus removing one game aspect.

And what about colony/atmosphere types. Should a team pick one colony type so others must be researched or no limits.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Simplify are ready and willing. And if you didn't knew that before, I am Finn.
I have played (too) many thalisman games before, so I vote to drop that too. And if we talking about good playing (in team), maybe we should drop Ancient race also.
When I saw the racial points: 3000, I was sure that this game is religious, so if we are going to allow talishman I will suggest to use max 1000 racial points, maybe even 0.

Cheers

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

every time i read the title to this thread i see

lithuanian teen wants more !

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

LOL http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Okay. My friend Hese has agreed to join in this game. Now there is 4 finns: Asmala, Simplify, Hese and me. Do we need more? I don't know any other finns around here... I would like to know our opponents.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Well, we'd like at least 5 vs 5 or even better 7 vs 7 as both countries are small enough to get the number of players. From my experience - the bigger the country the harder it is to find team players. Haven't you ever played a Finland only game? We had a couple 20 player games. Asmala was accepted into the third one (and won it!). So we have some unfinished business with him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
Talisman and ancient race - we would like to leave it in the game as well as ruins and intel. This is our team's wish. If all FIN players are against it - we will have to come to a compromise somehow. Anyway it is nice to see that Finland has some players ready for battle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

One of our team players came up with an idea about Lithuania vs. Scandinavia game in case there are no more players from Finland. What do you think?

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think 4 Finns beat 7 Lithunians, anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cheers

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think 4 Finns beat 7 Lithunians, anyway. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cheers
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey! That's not ice hockey! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

yeah find at least 5 or 6 players and we can start the game. we already found 6 players and waiting for competitors.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

BBegemott, you're in Lithuanian team? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Surely I am http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

I don't think we find any more Finnish players. At least I don't know any who are able to participate this game. Perhaps some Swedish or Norvegian but I don't know any of them either.

Or we can just start 4 vs. 4.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

how about we just create a game and wait players to join it? maybe some of finnish players dont use this forum and don`t know about this game? we just need to arrange the rules of game.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Or you could change the title of this thread from "lithuanian team wants more" to "Finnish team needs more players!"

That might help...

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Done.

Edit: anybody willing to be a GM or make a custom map for team vs. team game with the teams on the opposite sides? If there are only 4 or 5 players maybe a Medium map should be used?

[ February 10, 2004, 05:41: Message edited by: Pablo ]

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Primitive is norwegian, ask him.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Primitive is norwegian, ask him. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry guys.
Too many games and not enough time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

BTW:
Ruatha is Swedish, ask him http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

So ruatha what about you? wanna join your scandinavian friends against evil lithuanian team? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nah, I'm to afraid of these evil balts.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

There is fifth player coming to Finnish team. Since we can start only on the 1st of March there is still time to get the team full.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nice! Can you tell us who that going to be?

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

At the moment there are 6 Lithuanian players and 5 Finnish. In case of 5 being a maximum number - LT team will drop 1 player.
Still we need a map and a GM for our game. Anybody?

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

I suggest we wait until 3rd of March because I have one another game starting 1st day and because I haven't done my empire file for this game and propably settings are not done by this friday and I am travelling from 20th feb to 29th february. I need some time when I come back home.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Karibu, no problem starting the game when you come back but from our experience in the LT vs USA game it is very difficult to get things going. That's why I suggest starting the game on PBW and joining it. You can upload your empire when you're ready. By that time we should have everything prepared (map, other emp files etc.). Hopefully...

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That would be me.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

I'd like to hear players opinion about following issues:

-storm creators (if the game starts before the new patch is released)
-deeply religious trait
-ancient trait
-same atmosphere and colony type for all
-3000 racial points

I suggest banning first three and lowering racial points.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

i dont have an opinion on acient race and storm creators, but i preffer to keep 3000 racial points, it lets to create stronger empires and makes the game faster , and i would like to use all kind of colony tipes and all breatheble planets. Dont make the game complicated because both sides have some inexperenced players.As for the the talisman i think most of our players would like to use it, so i am with them.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Yeah, storm creators should be Banned.

deeply religious- in this team game empire without this trait would be in serious disagvantage. So we have 2 options: everybody *must* take talisman or nobody does it. Personally I would like to go with first choice.

ancient race- i'm fine either way.

I would like no restrictions on planet type & atmosphere. Deathmatch should be quick.

racial points- i'm fine either way.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If there is no restrictions each player would take different atmosphere and colony type. That means no research required to get all colony types and lots of extra job when players trade population and transports to proper planets. Easier if all team members have to choose same atmosphere.

That is the reason why I asked the same atmosphere for all players but I have no problems whatever we decide.

With 3000 racial points it's sure everyone will take the talisman. So the question is whether we want it. And ancient, it's up to you if you want to explore or not. It's also absolutely sure one team member picks ancient trait.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

we don`t need to research colonization tipes, we can just trade them among us. So we could use all planets and moons.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yeah I know and that's the reason I suggested all team members should pick same colony type so trading isn't possible and other colony types have to be researched.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Is the map FQM or standard?

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

This is not my game so my input is really unimportant. I really like the Deeply Religious trait beyond the talisman itself, and much like the max aggressiveness/defensive/bezerker design, I think it gets over-used and limits planning and thinking that can make the game much more enjoyable.

I suggest you limit each team to one religious player. With a 5-on-5 match, the religious trait becomes useful but not overly dominant in the game. Chances are many religious ships will be focused near each team's respective player, but there will be too many places for it to entirely dominate. The religious player will probably supply talisman ships so that each player will have some, so they become part of the strategic game but not the only part. It would make the game much more interesting.

I gather this was a no intel game? That would prevent each side from merely focusing on the other team's religious player.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

This isn't no intel game.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Hi there,

I have promised to play in Finnish team, but I need to say that I have played TOO many religious games. I hate the situation that I need to take religious cause my opponents takes it too... So I will vote NO for religious.
I will vote YES for intelligence.
Everything else is fine with me.

Cheers

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

This is getting to the point of LT for religious and FIN against. We will rediscuss this issue and maybe decide to leave the talisman out. Everything else should be left as stock game settings.
I am not aware of the issues about the storm creators so some info would be helpful.
Choosing same atmosphere is not our point as the game should be team-based so trading is frequent and management of colonies is also team-based (organization is more important than speed).

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Yes that is the point, i want to see which of us are more organized. I know you asmala are good player, but are you a good team player? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Can somebody post what kind of game conditions we have so far. It's much easier to figure this out after that. I will also say that Ancient race should be Banned (if we are talking about team playing) and how about if we can allow only 1 of kind special trait / team. F.e you can have 1 religious player one organic and so on... If you like?

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

Nah, whats the point of the team if they cant even coordinate their research because of different advanced traits?

known conditions:
storm creators: Banned
talismans: i think it will be Banned
3k racial points: i think most of players would like to have 3k racial points
acient: dont know, i think it will be Banned
same atmosphere tipe: lithuanian team doesnt agree with it.

Re: The Battle of the Baltics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you use "repeat orders" when creating storms you can create up to 250 storms in one turn. Since storm creators are cheap it's easy to create hundreds of storms over each of your planet and sun. You can imagine the game will Last long then. This will be fixed in upcoming patch.