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Cipher7071 February 20th, 2004 07:42 PM

OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
I received this e-mail from a close friend earlier today:

Quote:

Guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P charges 5-cents per E-mail sent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on every delivered E mail. Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay Online and continue using E-mail.

The Last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill E-mail Users out of "alternative postage fees." Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on every e-mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington, DC lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail, is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: "There is nothing like a letter." Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a day -- or over $180 per year -- above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is democracy and noninterference. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. Congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a $20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail charges. Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come" March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode away! Send this E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends and relatives to write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. PLEASE FORWARD!
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Considering that about half of what we already pay for telephone services goes to state and federal taxes and fees (examine your phone bill), if true and accurate, this measure represents another huge governmental grab for our wallets. Worth investigating?

[ February 20, 2004, 17:45: Message edited by: Cipher7071 ]

gregebowman February 20th, 2004 07:48 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
I wish it was just some wishful thinging on Congress's part, but as we all know, if Congress thinks it can get some more money in their pockets, they'll tax anything and everything. I'm still hoping this is all talk, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if e-mails get taxed. Not only by the feds, but maybe even the states and cities would want a piece of the pie. Let's hope not.

AMF February 20th, 2004 07:55 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
Isn't this an ongoing hoax?

Quote:

Originally posted by gregebowman:
I wish it was just some wishful thinging on Congress's part, but as we all know, if Congress thinks it can get some more money in their pockets, they'll tax anything and everything. I'm still hoping this is all talk, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if e-mails get taxed. Not only by the feds, but maybe even the states and cities would want a piece of the pie. Let's hope not.
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Cipher7071 February 20th, 2004 08:06 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
We can always hope it's a hoax, but it should not be too difficult to find out whether or not the mentioned bill actually exists.

narf poit chez BOOM February 20th, 2004 08:57 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
well, if the sender was billed and not the recipient, it could cut down on spam.

personally, i don't think much of that kind of money grab, i'm just argueing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

AMF February 20th, 2004 09:00 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
Hoax!

Go here:

http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/emailtax.html

Gryphin February 20th, 2004 09:11 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
BTW:
www.urbanlegends.com
is a great site anytime you get / see something where your first reation is:
"Oh my god!!!!"
Always check their first.

Suicide Junkie February 20th, 2004 09:14 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
Even if it were real, it would be impossible to enforce without revealing all that tech the guys with the tinfoil hats fear.

Krsqk February 21st, 2004 12:03 AM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
Another clue would be that House bills start with HR and Senate bills start with S. I've never seen a "602P" anywhere.

*shakes head, wondering what they teach in high school civics these days* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[edit]That should be HB, not HR.

*shakes head, wondering how early Alzheimer's can start* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ February 20, 2004, 22:25: Message edited by: Krsqk ]

Cipher7071 February 21st, 2004 01:22 AM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
Sooooo....it was easy after all. I marked that urban legends website for future reference.

Sabin February 21st, 2004 01:43 AM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
If an actual bill was to release, the price should be somewhat more reasonable, if it can prevent spam from continuing it's rather irritating progression.

I just used a computer calculator to see what the costs were if such a bill was passed to charge $0.01 for 1 email that is sent by one person for 365 days:

$0.01 x 365(once per day): $3.65
$3.65 x 100,000(emails, bulk.): $365,000.

That is quite a hefty charge if a person sent email in bulk, let's say they tried to send 1,000 emails for 365 days, at the same price:

$0.01 x 1,000: $10
$10 x 365(10 times per day): $3,650
$3,650 x 100,000(emails per day): $3.65e+008

Mind you, my calculation skills are rather horrible, so these may be inaccurate.

However, if they are accurate, then a 1-cent charge per email can reduce the amount of emails made by those who create spam, due to the enormous bill they would acquire.

However, how would this affect real companies? I believe if they send a large amount of e-mail, perhaps they can acquire licenses from the government to reduce/eliminate the costs.
(Though that would make them a major target for spam creators.)

However, the money the government makes can be placed into policing spammer activities, which can lead to a very profitable cycle.(Or disasterous, if the amount of spam creation gets too low, which may prompt the abandoning of the enforcement agencies, therefore leading to more spam being created.)

narf poit chez BOOM February 21st, 2004 01:51 AM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
how about 0.00001^2 per email? would cut down spammers, but not really affect anybody else.

Cipher7071 February 22nd, 2004 07:21 PM

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When I came in today from round 1 of scooping snow from my driveway, I put on some soup and decided to watch a little TV with lunch. 'The McLaughlin Group' (political discussion) was on PBS. Somewhere toward the end of it, up came a picture of our old buddy Bill Gates advocating what...? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

You guessed it: the very topic of this thread. It seems he is now advocating a 1 cent per e-mail fee as a solution to spam. The story said that about 58% of e-mail is spam, and Bill Gates seems to think that the problem will be solved in 2 years. He must see a buck in it for Microsoft somewhere.

Maybe that's what spawned the return of that urban legend. Just when I thought this thread was headed for the boneyard...

[ February 22, 2004, 17:23: Message edited by: Cipher7071 ]

Parasite February 23rd, 2004 06:51 PM

Re: OT: Charge / tax per e-mail?
 
I read a Sci-Fi book that seemed to have a good idea. Everyone could set the price for recieving Email. You would pay that price to send email to that address. If someone sent a message to your $100 box, you would tend to pay attention. If they sent it too your 5 cent or 1 cent less so. You could then do a reply to cancel the fee. This still has some problems like address spoffing, money landering, ect, but it does seem to be a possible start.

Why let the goverment in, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif can't we be greedy too. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

I don't remember the book name, but it was about a Beserker type device attacking earth every 5 years. Not a "Beserker" Beserker http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif , but a planetoid machine like the Saber...n kind.


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