Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Then there is the old African proverb (Often erroneously tributed to Teddy Roosevelt):
Speak softly and carry a big stick and you will go far.

Equally true for PBW:
If you don’t have a big stick, speak loud http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Originally posted by Atrocities:


"A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective."- Sun-tzu, The Art of War

Basically put concentrate on your game, and role play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif


I'd think it would mean that you'd like your opponent to underestimate you.

For example, start with beam ships only, and when the opponent adjusts switch to fighters.
Or try to look weak, making him attack so that your superior fleet can get first shot at a worm-hole, those loosing lessser ships and pave the way for a counter-attack.

"One who sets the entire army in motion to chase an advantage will not attain it." - Sun-tzu, The Art of War

Look at the big picture and consider your options, if you focus your fleet chasing one ship, your opponant gains the advantage and can attack your systems while your fleet is off chasing its prey.


I'd think he means that you should make your own plans and stick with them, don't be lured by what might look like an easy opportunity. It might be a set-up.

[ March 03, 2004, 14:09: Message edited by: Ruatha ]

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is a great quote, but I am not sure your annotation relates to it very well. It's talking about using deception to achieve tactical and strategic advantage over your enemy. Very crucial and an invaluable tactic in SE4. But it doesn't relate to concentration or role playing at all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you like Sun-Tzu and Se4, here'e a link to a page you might like.

The Art (and science) of SEIV War by Master Belisarius

That document is two years old, and I think the tactics suggested by MB have stood the test of time. If there are any points that maybe are out of date, don't hold it against him though. I am sure his game play has evolved some, even if I haven't gotten with him to revise his treatise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ March 03, 2004, 14:13: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Sure it does Geo, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

SEIV is about role playing and communicating with your oponent. If you do not communicate then deception becomes a lot harder to achieve. You have to do it mechanically rather than verbally.

Communications can really work well for deceiving an opponent and eventually giving you the upper hand.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Carry a big stick? Wow! Sun Tzu knew that SE4 would have weapon mounts! OMG! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

PvK

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ROFLMAO

Good one!

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

I don't know how well this thread will do, but I do hope that some of the more experienced players will post some of their secrets here.

“nothing is more difficult than the art of maneuvering for advantageous positions.”- Sun Tzu ‘The art of war’

This was true in Sun Tzu's time and it is still true today. The practicality when a game is first started most players focus on colonizing as rapidly and as far out as they can. Thus they gain control of more territory, discover more ruins, and have access to better planets while providing a buffer zone around there home system.

"A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective."- Sun-tzu, The Art of War

Basically put concentrate on your game, and role play. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

"Invincibility lies in the defense; the possibility of victory in the Attack." - Sun-tzu, The Art of War

If you do not protect your planets with mines, satellites, and weapon platforms, then expect to loose them. If you have the advantage, either in ships, technology, or resource production use it or loose it.

"One who sets the entire army in motion to chase an advantage will not attain it." - Sun-tzu, The Art of War

Look at the big picture and consider your options, if you focus your fleet chasing one ship, your opponant gains the advantage and can attack your systems while your fleet is off chasing its prey.

"Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster." - Sun-tzu, The Art of War

I think that this is why the TOP players are the TOP players.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Tactics are useful to the game.

The AI is pretty dumb you can isolate 1 enemy take em out then move on.

When attacking a system make sure you have some troop ships for invasion, missile ships for weapons platforms. Beam weapons for satelites and smaller ships. Make sure you have some shields and point defense weapons to counter their weapons.

Propulsion isnt as inmportant if you have good point defensive weapons. If you have superior weapons go for the main bulk of that systems fleet and main planets - capture ones with shipyards and other important resource and research facilities to reduce their ability to fight back. Launch simutaneous across several systems - diVersions also.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is a great quote, but I am not sure your annotation relates to it very well. It's talking about using deception to achieve tactical and strategic advantage over your enemy. Very crucial and an invaluable tactic in SE4. But it doesn't relate to concentration or role playing at all. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If you like Sun-Tzu and Se4, here'e a link to a page you might like.

The Art (and science) of SEIV War by Master Belisarius

That document is two years old, and I think the tactics suggested by MB have stood the test of time. If there are any points that maybe are out of date, don't hold it against him though. I am sure his game play has evolved some, even if I haven't gotten with him to revise his treatise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif After read it again, still think you did the true work fixing my pathetic english and including the very interesting Sun-Tzu quotes! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

I think those tactics remain relavent but should be updated with the new patches.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you're talking about the Geo's link, well, would say the only big update should be: "the Ionic Dispersers are mostly useless now!"

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">*sigh* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

There is an entrenched view against any new patch oh well guess im gunna be shouted down by all lol.

Ionic dispersers maybe need strengthening.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Gain Intel early. Gets the jump on Intel gathering. I rarely use Intel for active offensive projects. I'm way more interested in information gathered.
example:
1)Find a space port.
2)Target and destroy.
3)Hold, and regroup in-system.
4)Repeat

Use the Notes in the Galaxy Map to keep track of static information gathered on various systems (build queues, space ports, resupply bases, etc)

[ March 04, 2004, 02:06: Message edited by: bearclaw ]

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, people are just getting tired of the constant nagging. More patches would be nice, but MM has stated that this is the final one. So, it does no good to keep suggesting there be more patches in every other thread.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Fyron, you know what we need? We need another patch! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I find the more amusing approach, as it pertains to deception, is the following:

Walk softly and don't tell them what kind of stick I have behind me. Imply that its a good thing that I am 6 feet tall and that being any shorter would possibly reveal the stick. And don't make me prove how big the stick is or is not!

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Maybe we could get the Official Beta Testers to do a MOD.
A balance MOD that will be popular on PBW?

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Already tried. To whit: its a LOT harder than it sounds, and the results were to my knowladge never used on PBW anyway.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

OK, how about a balance patch?

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

bah my GUTB class escorts rock.

They destroy all.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Bah. It is all about GUTB Colony Ships! After they decimate each planet, they can colonize them right away!

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

i heard that the GUTB colony ship even carries 100 mines and 6 Huge Weapon Platforms which house 100 large fighters !!!!!!

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

Damn it now my secret is out! I will get you Tesco, and your little doggie too!

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

/me starts building organic armor ram ships with the talisman to counter the GUTB threat.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

too late... researching all that other stuff is your downfall... and your dog too.

GuTB takes over your puny coutry America.

it is now GUTB backwater.

Re: Theory Behind PBW Tactics
 

my GUTB escort has real ultimate power