New Victory Condition
 

sorry if this has been discussed before......with all the talk about "stacking" systems above one another,even creating a maze as one person described it gave me an idea for a new type of game. someone creates a map,in this map he creates a system with say,just one planet(can be something else), then he hides for example 5 of these systems within stacks throughout the quadrant. The game starts with let's say 5 people (just for example). The object of the game is to find,conquer,maintain all 5 "hidden" systems. Just for kicks,and to ensure someone fulfills the requirement (since i don't see anyway to fit it into an actual game victory condition) the game/map maker is also a player,but not out to capture the sytems,but rather to stop everyone else from doing so,kinda playing the spoiler. this would add another interesting element and since he knows where the sytems are would know when someone captures them to declare a winner. I'm sure this idea could use some tweaking,like maybe only giving the spoiler certain resources so he can only build certain ships( to reduce advantage ) or something like that,but anyways,there is the premise,was just an idea of mine.Take from it what you will http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: New Victory Condition
 

interesting. sounds like it would work with the old hypermaze quadrant mod. basically, it gave you a randomly generated quadrant with a tightly meshed grid of systems (6 or 8 warp points per system, i think). most systems were random movement or damaging, or otherwise harmfull. a few normal systems were scattered in there, but not very many. it was hard getting between habitalbe systems, especially in the early game. and because some of the systems were harmfull or damaging, you cant rely on automatic path finding, you have to plot your course jump-by-jump, or use the 'avoid system' options.

check it out. very cool.

Re: New Victory Condition
 

Speaking of victory conditions, there is one from Galactic Civilizations that I do like. If you acquire enough cultural points, you can win the game. And if you have enough points in a system, other planets may rebel and join your empire. That's one aspect of that game I do like. I wonder is something like that can be developed for SEIV or SEV?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It warms my heart to see someone remember Hypermaze. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I've been thinking I should update it for v1.91; I have a couple ideas that I could add.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I hope not. There is a disturbing trend to have these silly "cultural victory" options in mainstream strategy games of late... People don't get seditious and break away from their nation to join a nation with better playwrights! Ridiculous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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before this heads too far off my thread topic....how about my suggestion? any comments,ideas,suggestions?

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yes, good suggestion. try using the hypermaze mod to make it work. you can find it on capnq's link

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes they do.

The Soviet citizens that rebelled did so because they wanted what they thought western culture was.
But that its not a good example, since they didn't go over to another country, though the ex-republics became independent, and some have now US air bases, which are really pissing off the "Bear reborn" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Better examples:
1- England asked Prince William III of Orange to take the British throne because he was protestant and the actual king of England, James II, had converted to catolicism.
2- Several small German states joined Prussia on their own. (Oh well, half on their own) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

3- The Kingdom of Pergamo went over to Rome. (By its king will. Does it count?)

4- Texas!!!

5- Eastern Germany after the fall of the wall.

6- Hong Kong.

7- Bangladesh's independance?

8- Sicily, from Spanish to Naples.

9- Not sure about Calais.


Ok, you got a point, most of the cases above were influenced by a lot more than culture.

I'll check on the ancient world to see if any case can be blamed solely on culture.

Still, cultural influence its a very strong force. Just look how in every election in Puerto Rico they decide to remain an "American colony". http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

On the other hand look at the influence that Islam its having on SouthEast Asia these days.
Though no city have changed hands, as far as I know.

Maybe cultural influence should be important in making alliances, but not in planets going over to the other side.

Independentist rebellions might also be considered as a possible result of culture.

[ March 05, 2004, 20:52: Message edited by: SB ]

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well i don't want to use any specific mod to make it work or anything,like i said someone creates thier own map or something, and this isn't for me really.I just threw the idea out there in case it interested anyone and they wanted to use it,with thier own tweaks and mods or what not.

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Right. Cultural influence is never the whole story as it is treated in games like Civ 3 and GalCiv. Such games use overly simplified systems. Military stength, for example, is usually a huge factor in such situations. It is not considered in these games though. :-\

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This would spoil SEIV, I personally did not like Galciv and especially civ3 using this method of game play. It makes both games way to easy, civ3 thats another story, but Galciv culture victories are considered a weak way of winning. (NO OFFENSE to players who went for this way of winning) Points are much lower for cultural victories for this reason. I agree 100% culture should not be brought into SEIV IMO. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 06, 2004, 11:43: Message edited by: Desert Fox ]