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Fyron

March 6th, 2004 11:11 AM

Soy Bad?

Dunno, but read this article! And no, I do not Subscribe to Testosterone Magazine or anything like that. This link was given to me by a friend.

Poison Protein

narf poit chez BOOM

March 6th, 2004 11:20 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

well, if i ever went off meat, i'd be eating more donuts.

that's my philosophy. eat a somewhat balanced diet and not to much of it and only stuff that tastes good and get some exercise*.

* Before another month disapears! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Atrocities

March 6th, 2004 05:59 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:
Dunno, but read this article! And no, I do not Subscribe to Testosterone Magazine or anything like that. This link was given to me by a friend.

Poison Protein

Beef is bad, milk is bad, sugar is bad, its all bad!

TerranC

March 6th, 2004 06:04 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Fyron, as an east asian, I've been eating soy all my life, and if there is one thing I can tell you about soy or soy-derived products is that Soy is anything but poisonous.

David E. Gervais

March 6th, 2004 06:49 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:
Beef is bad, milk is bad, sugar is bad, its all bad!

Don't forget,.. Air is bad and getting worse, Water is bad and getting worse and the population bomb is going to hit during our very own lifetime.

"The end is near, The end is near! Oh my dear God what have we done? How could we be so stupid as to contaminate the very thing that we require to live?

hmmm, did someone mention donuts? Good idea, and it's best to eat them before they go bad. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 06, 2004, 16:49: Message edited by: David E. Gervais ]

geoschmo

March 6th, 2004 07:28 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Soylent Green is made from...SOY BEANS!!! SOY BEANS!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

DavidG

March 6th, 2004 07:44 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
Fyron, as an east asian, I've been eating soy all my life, and if there is one thing I can tell you about soy or soy-derived products is that Soy is anything but poisonous.

Based on what? that you are still alive? Not all poisons kill.

Krsqk

March 6th, 2004 07:52 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

We want more Soylent Bean!

oogs	March 6th, 2004 07:53 PM

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if everything's so bad, maybe we should build a couple colony ships, find a warp point and warp outta here! hopefully we won't run into any enemies armed with APBs - our colony ship won't have shields.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Wardad

March 6th, 2004 07:55 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Yes, but does your wiener work?

sachmo

March 6th, 2004 08:19 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Soy tastes like poop.

Fyron

March 6th, 2004 09:14 PM

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Quote:

Yes, but what kind of soy product? Did you read the whole article, or just the title?

Captain Kwok

March 6th, 2004 09:15 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

That article had a lot of "bad stuff" but absent was any real facts, figures, or general proof.

I'd suspect it's just some person pushing their agenda.

However, anything in large amounts can be harmful. As usual, the good 'ol balanced diet works best.

Fyron

March 6th, 2004 09:20 PM

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Well it was an interview more than a scientific article... there is a link to the web site for the book to be published...

Captain Kwok

March 6th, 2004 09:30 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

The site was just a promotional vehicle for her book.

To be honest, you can come up with the same scary stuff about diary products or meat, or whatever.

The bigger problem is people wanting to get "healthy" and then overloading on some "healty" food/diet of their choice, i.e. low carbs (Atkins diet). Balance is the real key.

I do agree that they sure put a lot of soy into food stuffs these days. Especially the fast food industry. Most places will add soy protein into their burgers/nuggets/etc. to act as a filler for meat, since soy protein provides the same kind of texture and is much cheaper.

DavidG

March 6th, 2004 10:05 PM

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Wait.... Now it's good again.

Soy Good

DavidG

March 6th, 2004 10:12 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Damn now it's bad again

Soy Bad

TerranC

March 6th, 2004 10:30 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

To DavidG:

On the fact that I am alive, healthy, and that none of my vital organs have suffered some kind of shock.

To Fyron:

Soy sauce, soy beans themselves, tofu, korean condiments (made with soy most of the time), and other foods.

To WarDad:

I'm quite virile thank you very much.

TerranC

March 6th, 2004 10:35 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by sachmo:
Soy tastes like poop.

Not when properly and tastefully prepared.

Although if you're talking about soy milk and/or tofu meat substitutes, I have to agree with you.

TerranC

March 6th, 2004 10:36 PM

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Edit: aww crud; I pressed the reply with quote button instead of the edit button. Please ignore.

[ March 06, 2004, 20:37: Message edited by: TerranC ]

DavidG

March 6th, 2004 10:52 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
To DavidG:

On the fact that I am alive, healthy, and that none of my vital organs have suffered some kind of shock.

Not exactly a scientific study. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Actually sounds a lot like the logic some people used to use to prove smoking is not unhealthy.

After reading a few more articles on Soy I'm not about to change my eating habits to avoid it. But I think I would avoid giving it to an infant or taking it in massive quantities.

spoon

March 6th, 2004 10:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
I'm quite virile thank you very much.

I want proof. This comment just sounds like a vehicle for your (black) book.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

TerranC

March 6th, 2004 11:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by spoon:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TerranC:
I'm quite virile thank you very much.

I want proof. This comment just sounds like a vehicle for your (black) book.
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif <hr /></blockquote>I'd rather not show you people proof, and I am quite sure that none of you would rather see my proof. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

March 7th, 2004 12:48 AM

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Quote:

yeah, but aren't all east asians short? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

TerranC

March 7th, 2004 12:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
yeah, but aren't all east asians short? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

What's that supposed to mean NPCM?

[ March 06, 2004, 23:05: Message edited by: TerranC ]

se5a	March 7th, 2004 01:57 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

I might point out that that artical did say that less procesed soy products (like tofu etc) are not as bad as other soy products.

David E. Gervais

March 7th, 2004 12:14 PM

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I tried a soy product once and didn't like it, I won't make that mistake again. The same thing goes for Tofu, yuk! When I want something with little to no taste, I'll take mushrooms any day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Wardad

March 7th, 2004 10:36 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by David E. Gervais:
I tried a soy product once and didn't like it, I won't make that mistake again. The same thing goes for Tofu, yuk! When I want something with little to no taste, I'll take mushrooms any day. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

or Potatoes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ March 07, 2004, 20:37: Message edited by: Wardad ]

Baron Munchausen

March 8th, 2004 05:07 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TerranC:
Fyron, as an east asian, I've been eating soy all my life, and if there is one thing I can tell you about soy or soy-derived products is that Soy is anything but poisonous.

yeah, but aren't all east asians short? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>Not 'all', just the ones who eat the traditional diet of mostly rice. And it's the rice that stunts them. There is an enzyme in it that inhibits the absorption of iron and the lack of iron slows their growth down. When they come to the US and start eating like Americans they get taller (and unfortunately also get the same diet-related diseases as other Americans... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif )

Baron Munchausen

March 8th, 2004 05:08 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

From a project page on genetic alteration of rice to improve third-world nutrition:

http://dragon.zoo.utoronto.ca/~J02T0101A/nutrition.htm

Iron rich rice could be on its way very shortly. Researchers are focusing on three different transgenes to solve the iron deficiency problem (11).

* Gene encoding the phytase enzyme that breaks down phytate; a molecule that prevents absorption of the ingested iron by binding to iron in the gut.
* Gene encoding for a cysteine rich protein which helps iron absorption in the gut.
* Gene encoding the protein ferritin that stores iron in the rice grains.

---

Apparently 'phytate' is present in most or all of the grains that people eat, but either the phytate content of rice is very high or it's harder to properly seperate the phytate from the rest of the grain (milling to remove the husk) because iron deficiency is a big problem in the regions of the world where rice is eaten as the bulk of the diet. Yet vegetarians elsewhere in the world who live only on grains & vegetables don't (necessarily) have iron deficiency problems. So it's not necessarily lack of meat that leads to iron deficiency.

[ March 09, 2004, 05:18: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Siegebreaker

March 9th, 2004 02:45 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
There is an enzyme in it that inhibits the absorption of iron and the lack of iron slows their growth down.

Do you have any links to back up this statement?

Sorry, its just that I always thought that rice was a "clean" product.

Kamog

March 9th, 2004 05:31 AM

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Argh, shouldn't have eaten all that rice when I was growing up. Then maybe I'd be taller today. Oh well, it's too late now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Renegade 13

March 9th, 2004 06:54 AM

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Ah, there's the problem! Don't eat rice...eat good food, like beef! Ok ok, I'm biased (son of a cattle rancher!), but look at me, I'm tall and in good shape, and I credit all the meat in my diet. So come on all of you vegetarians out there, hop on the meat bandwagon! You know you want to.....

Muahahahahhahaha http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Wizarc

March 9th, 2004 10:16 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

And what is even worse, when you go to her web page she promotes her "friends". I saw something about milk is bad and everyone should be drinking Raw Milk instead. Also, cereal is bad for you. Hell I eat cereal for breakfast, lunch, and dinner...i'm kinda lazy in my old age.

Just like the egg scare: good, bad, good for now.

Sheesh!

TerranC

March 9th, 2004 10:28 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

All this reminds me of that slogan PETA used on junior high school students:

Don't drink milk; Drink Beer!

narf poit chez BOOM

March 9th, 2004 10:32 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
All this reminds me of that slogan PETA used on junior high school students:

Don't drink milk; Drink Beer!

what??

Renegade 13

March 10th, 2004 03:16 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
All this reminds me of that slogan PETA used on junior high school students:

Don't drink milk; Drink Beer!

LMAO!! Sounds like a good idea.... even if I'm under the legal drinking age...hmm....

Nocturnal

March 11th, 2004 10:50 PM

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Quote:

BAN DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE!

Dihydrogen monoxide is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills uncounted thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes severe tissue damage. Symptoms of DHMO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination, and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte imbalance. For those who have become dependent, DHMO withdrawal means certain death.

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is also known as hydroxl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect."
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Contamination is reaching epidemic proportions!

Quantities of dihydrogen monoxide have been found in almost every stream, lake, and reservoir in America today. But the pollution is global, and the contaminant has even been found in Antarctic ice. DHMO has caused millions of dollars of property damage in the midwest, and recently California.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

Companies dump waste DHMO into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. The impact on wildlife is extreme, and we cannot afford to ignore it any longer!

The American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its "importance to the economic health of this nation." In fact, the navy and other military organizations are conducting experiments with DHMO, and designing multi-billion dollar devices to control and utilize it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military research facilities receive tons of it through a highly sophisticated underground distribution network. Many store large quantities for later use.

I always recommend reading the source.

narf poit chez BOOM

March 12th, 2004 05:59 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
yeah, but aren't all east asians short? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

What's that supposed to mean NPCM? <hr /></blockquote>it means i was making a joke, like everybody else. please turn your paranoi meter down.

Quote:

I'd rather not show you people proof, and I am quite sure that none of you would rather see my proof. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif [/QB]

I consider it equal to that.

[ March 12, 2004, 04:57: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

TerranC

March 12th, 2004 11:26 PM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
it means i was making a joke, like everybody else. please turn your paranoi meter down.

I'm not paranoid. Maybe you are but what am I? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

narf poit chez BOOM

March 13th, 2004 12:41 AM

Re: Soy Bad?

Quote:

Originally posted by TerranC:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
it means i was making a joke, like everybody else. please turn your paranoi meter down.

I'm not paranoid. Maybe you are but what am I? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif <hr /></blockquote>A spaceship, apparently.

*Nukes the ship* http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

shoulda been paraniod. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ March 12, 2004, 22:50: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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