Ionic Disperser do not work in 1.91
 

I just discovered a possible bug with Ionic Dispersers in 1.91 (engines only damage type) They dont work.

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klausD

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Were the target's shields down?

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Are you _sure_ they don't work ?

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I'm pretty sure they work, they just no longer skip shields like they used to.

In fact, I just tested it. Ionic Dispersers work, but they no longer skip shields, which is a bummer. All is not lost however, you can add shield skipping back to Ionic Dispersers if you want. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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in addition, remember weapons that only damage to X, such as only to shields and only to engines need to DESTROY a component in ONE turn. The damage does NOT stack. So if you did 19 damage and the each engine has 20 hp you wont ever destroy one.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not confirmed. They're OK.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, you can't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Ionic Dispersers lost the ability to skip shields way back in SE4 1.76.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Is that ONE TURN or ONE HIT?

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Pretty sure it's one hit. ID's without enough damage to kill one enemy engine will have no effect.

PvK

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If it doesn't skip shields, does the weapon at least do damage to the shields? So if you keep hitting with the ionic dispersers, eventually the shields would go down and then it will start destroying the engines, right?

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Yes, IDs damage shields before the shields are down. They have really good damage ratios, so they are nearly as good as regular weapons for knocking down shields (except for Shield Depleters, of course). The best solution, of course, is to stick a nice shield depleter or two as the first weapon(s) on your warships. Helps with or without using IDs. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ March 17, 2004, 01:35: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

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Thanks! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It's fun to damage the engines of a bunch of enemy ships so they just sit around, unable to move, costing them maintenance.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That directly contradicts my experience. I remember clearly, as at first I thought the IDs not all that useful...until, while doing some experimentation, I discovered IDs skipped shields in 1.84. I never played any Version *but* 1.84 until 1.91 came out, so yeah, IDs skipped shields in 1.84.

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Ok, guys. I checked it once more. Ionic dispersers do damage shields. They dont skip them. I did not know that you have to blow up one engine in one hit. I thought that the damage accumulates. But then I am just wondering why one engine has 20 HP and the standard ionic disperser I or II do 15 or so damage points.

sorry wrong alarm http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

KlausD

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That directly contradicts my experience. I remember clearly, as at first I thought the IDs not all that useful...until, while doing some experimentation, I discovered IDs skipped shields in 1.84. I never played any Version *but* 1.84 until 1.91 came out, so yeah, IDs skipped shields in 1.84. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry, can't speak to your experience, but Ionic Dispersers most definetly did NOT skip shields in Version 1.84, What Fyron actually meant to say was they lost the ability in Version 1.78. That was the first public patch where they did not skip shields. The actual change was made in Version 1.70, which was a beta-only release.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">Version 1.70:
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7. Changed - Engine Damaging Weapons no longer skip shields. </pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So for the Last three Versions, 1.78, 1.84, and 1.91, they have not skipped shields. The Last public Version where they did skip shields would have been 1.67, the first patch after the Gold Version.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That is a darn good question actually. It would seem to make the ID I and II pretty much useless, unless you put it on a LC or larger where you can give it a mount to increase the damage.

To be honest I thought that had been fixed at the same time the mine stacking damage was addressed. I remember it getting mentioned more then once. But I just tested it as well and it's still not stacking. I guess that bug slipped through the cracks.

Geoschmo

[ March 17, 2004, 11:08: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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I don't mind at all that an ID Mark I is ineffective without using a mount. Unmodded techs are easy as heck to research past level 1, and ID's are weenie weapons anyway. Too good with too few counters in the unmodded game. Dang good they no longer skip shields - that was obnoxious. Particularly considering the maintenance and AI issues.

PvK