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Does anyone know if there will be a box with all three movies in it? If yes, will there be a limited edition? And when will it be released?

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I'd say the odds of a Boxed Set comming out would be about %99.99999999999 good. Like a pirate would say; "Thar be money in them thar Boxed DVD Sets! Arg!"

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I'd imagine a Boxed Set would be out no later than in time for this Christmas Season, and no sooner than when the 3rd Film gets released. Check out dvd.ign.com. They usually have good up-tp-date info on DVD releases and general DVD info.

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Damn, that's a long wait. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Ah well, will be worth it. Thanks!

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Wouldn't it be great if they had added scenes that were cut from the movies?

All in all, I still think that the Matrix series was one of the best SF series I've ever seen. Despite what everyone said, I think II and III were just as good, if not better, than I. And, all together they make a storyline that still makes me waste hours trying to untangle it...sort of like Lynch's "Lost Highway"...another darn good movie, just slightly more obtuse...

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2 and 3 were good movies, but they both missed a little bit too much to be as good as 1.
2 missed the bit about the EMP that went off in the first fight between the humans and the machines (The battle that the flesh Smith only survives). And 3 missed a clear explanation wether Neo is dead or not. Yopu won't believe what a quarrels I had with my GF wethor or not The One is dead. I say he's dead.
But all in all The Matrix movies are without a doubt a grand fairytale of unequalled quality. It tops my list of best SF movies.

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All 3 of them were crap.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Can't help to agree. I liked the 1st one, but the Last 2 made the 1 look bad on hinsight.

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I like the first one the best. It had the best story. The second and third movies had too much weird stuff that was unexplained.

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I found the first movie to be very interesting and revolutionary, but after seeing it once or twice I lost interest in it. The second movie was a logical continuation of the first as the third was of the second.

I do not buy the ending of the trilage at all though. We all know that he is inside of a matrix that is inside of a matrix and so on and so on. How else could he see everything in the "real world" as code?

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I admire the directors for thier attempts at innovation and thier visual style, but I wasn't pleased with the overall structure of the other two films. They should have been more stand-alone pictures and kept it a little more grounded.

Oh well, can't have it all.

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There were a few highlights in the series, but no where near as rewarding as the Lord of the Rings. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Woundwort's First Theorem of Filmmaking - If you have a great (or just good) standalone film, making a trilogy or series out of it will ruin it.

Proofs of theorem -
Jaws
the Matrix
Superman (caveat - in this case, II was better than I - but the rest...)

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And what about the Alien serie? Only Part 4 was bad, but the rest was absolutely great.
Don't think that when you have more than one part that the other parts will be worse than the first one. Everyone has his/her own thoughts about the next movie after the first, so it always is a bit different than that person wanted to see it. You can't please everyone. It really annoys me that a lot of people forget this and condemn a follow-up movie to a degrading status.

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To slightly modify the theorem - trying to recapitulate the same film 2-3 times over will ruin it.

Aliens I and II were two different genre movies using the same aliens (I - horror/slasher; II - action/shoot-em-up) so both could stand on their own merits. III tried to go back to the original genre and just didn't work IMHO.

Aliens IV... was the third-worst movie I have ever seen. (Just in case you're wondering - Highlander II was the second-worst, Eraserhead was the worst).

Another case in point - the Bond series. I used to love Bond films as a kid. Now, I couldn't care less. How many times can you do "Bond uses neat gadgets to beat the bad guy, steal his girlfriend, and save the world" before it starts to get - well - blase?

Another proof of the theorem - Blair Witch Project.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">He coudn't see everything in the 'real world' as code. He could only see elements of the matrix in the outside world (like Smith-possesed and the AIs/squids/constructs, all else was darkness).

Overall I loved the series. It showed the rise and fall of a messiah in an apocalyptic world, whose very coming was designed as a tool to further the apocalypse itself. Pretty slick.

Everything was internally consistent and well played out, unlike other flicks that rely on some kind of disappointing deus-ex mechanisim when it gets to the crunch (ie. Superman reversing time by flying aroung the planet, just about any episode of Trek... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). It's rare enough to find a series that shows the fallout after the 'big event' (where most such movies stop) but the Matrix went one set further, it actually did it well.

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Eraserhead and Pink Flamingos are the only movies I have seen where I needed to take a shower and go outside in the sun afterwards. I felt "dirtied" by them. I do think eraserhead was well made, but just disturbing. Pink flamingos was just gross (weel, the Last scene where Divine eats doggie poo at least...)

But, I have to disagree about Alien III. I actually thought it was the best one of the series.


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[ March 24, 2004, 12:17: Message edited by: alarikf ]

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Let me add my 2 cents here:

Of the 4 Alien movies, 3 was definitely the worst. As mentioned below, they tried to do the first movie again, and it didn't work. If you had read the history of the script, it would have been more like 2, but then the Berlin Wall fell, and no one thought people would be interested in the original script. I know Joss Wheeden (?) got involved in rewriting the script. They should have left it alone.

As far as the Last two Matrix movies, they were good, but too long and not very clear (IMO). I've only seen them once apiece. I'll need to watch the dvd to get a better understanding as Neo is talking to the Architect of the history of the other Ones. And on first viewing on 3, I thought Neo had survived, but after talking to a few people, they convinced me that he had died. I'll have to watch it again when the dvd comes out.

As far as the Superman movies, I think that I and II are great. And the rest stink. I can't even watch 4 anymore. It's so terrible. I wish Kevin Smith's script for the proposed new movie would have survived. I'd trust his storytelling more than anyone else, but when they hired Tim Burton to direct it, he threw out that script. And eventually he and Nicholas Cage got thrown out of the project. Still don't know if they're going to make a fifth movie. At least they're going for a fifth Batman movie. Hope it's good.

As far as my least favorite movies, well, I already mentioned Superman 4, and it seems General Woundwort and I both hate Highlander 2. Another movie I don't ever watch is Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. Once was too much for that movie. Don't remember ever seeing Eraserhead, so I'll reserve judgement on that movie until I see it.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Highlander II was the only movie I have walked out of and demanded my money back for. (I came pretty darn close with Aliens IV, however...)

As for AOTKT, you're being too harsh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif "Tomatoes" was supposed to be a bad movie - it's like "Plan 9", you know from square one what you're going to get (campy nonsense), and that's its entertainment value. Mind you, I was not so entertained by AOTKT that I'd see it again - but I'd hardly call it so bad as to be worth avoiding.

Unlike Eraserhead. Avoid it at ALL COSTS. Trust me, those are 90 minutes of my life I'd give my left arm to have back... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

EDIT - <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Given the track record of the ones after the first? Good luck. The Batman sequels won in the Worst Director Category in the Grudge-Match Oscars...

http://www.grudge-match.com/History/...director.shtml

[ March 25, 2004, 21:06: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Highlander II was the only movie I have walked out of and demanded my money back for. (I came pretty darn close with Aliens IV, however...)

As for AOTKT, you're being too harsh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif "Tomatoes" was supposed to be a bad movie - it's like "Plan 9", you know from square one what you're going to get (campy nonsense), and that's its entertainment value. Mind you, I was not so entertained by AOTKT that I'd see it again - but I'd hardly call it so bad as to be worth avoiding.

Unlike Eraserhead. Avoid it at ALL COSTS. Trust me, those are 90 minutes of my life I'd give my left arm to have back... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, there were a couple of good scenes from AOTKT that I still get a chukle from (especially the guy in the tomatoe suit asking for ketchup). I happened to catch it on late night tv one time, so maybe some stuff got edited out. Maybe I'll watch it again if it ever comes on, but I don't think I'll be buying the dvd that came out recently.

As far as Highlander, maybe you can answer my question about the 4th movie. I know they were trying to bridge the movies and the series, but the end result has left me confused. How can Duncan be The One, when Connor was already The One some 15 years before? Which also made no sense for the 3rd movie, as how could Connor get his powers when there were 3 frozen immortals still waiting to be killed? They should have let the original creator come back to write the sequels. At least I think we would have some continuity then.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Got me. I never saw III or IV. HII (very) effectively killed my interest in the series.

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The highlander movies aren't worth watching. Watch the two series, if they come out in your area.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your statement is true, except for the first movie. That is still an excellant movie; I just wished the studios had treated the sequels with more respect, instead of just throwing them out there. The series was good also. Wish I had the money to buy the dvd sets.

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How bad does a movie needs to be to get into the Worst Ever group?
I would say that the disappointment factor should be the rule to judge by. Movies that we expect to be awesome but we come out of the theater extremely disappointed. If so, than my list of "Worst ever" would be:

1- Return of the King. I still can't get over that greeny stuff winning the battle of Pelennor fields. The battle was won in the book by the sacrify of the humans in Middle Earth, and it was won at the price of heavy cassualties. Peter Jackson completely missed Tolkien's message of the Price of Victory, which Tolkiens got from his experiences during WW1.

2- Matrix 2 & 3. I don't think they were totally bad, but they added several layers of confussion to the main history, as outlined in the 1st movie, and thus they were a big disappoinment.

3- Terminator 3. Another good 'Ahnold movie. I really hoped Arnold would play a negative character, like in the original. Just like in T2, the Terminator arrives to the present by walking into a bar, and kills a wooping.....ZERO humans. The only cool thing about T3 was the nukes at the end. That was......awesome? I would say terrifying.

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The only problem with T3 was that James Cameron had nothing to do with the movie, as Gale Anne Hurd won the rights to the Terminator franchise after their divorce. Also, I don't know why they didn't get Eddie Furlong to play John Conner again. Worst movie, no. Disappointing compared to the other 2, yes. I'd rather have them go to the future and show John leading the revolution that let the humans win.

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You have to view the Last Highlander (and the series) as an alternate story. There's no continuity between the first three and that one. Make that the first two...I've Banned Highlander 2 from my memory. If I could cut the brain cells that contain that time from my brain...

I feel almost the same about the Matrix trilogy. First one is outstanding, the following two lack in a big way. Except that it's clear a Dragonball Z movie is entirely possible to make in a live action format. And Hugo Weaving is too much fun to watch. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I liked T3's way of the bringing the story back to the beginning. I never bought T2's ending as making the world safe.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think you mean TTT. I don't think there where any Ents in ROTK.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your statement is true, except for the first movie. That is still an excellant movie; I just wished the studios had treated the sequels with more respect, instead of just throwing them out there. The series was good also. Wish I had the money to buy the dvd sets. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yeah, forgot the first movie was good. Well, not exactly a cinimatic masterpeice, but good.

Whoops. Wake up, Narf.

[ March 26, 2004, 23:48: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think you mean TTT. I don't think there where any Ents in ROTK.

Join the FAAA! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think he meant the Army of the Dead in ROTK, not the Ents in TTT.

EDIT - And what the heck is the FAAA? I'm pretty sure you don't mean the Flight Attendants Association of Australia, no matter what Google says. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ March 27, 2004, 00:09: Message edited by: General Woundwort ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">FAAA - Forumers Against All Acronyms. Currently me and Alneyan. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

*I hope I got his name right.

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I liked Terminator 2 the best out of the three Terminator movies. It had the best action and the special effects with the T-1000 were outstanding at the time the movie came out.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No. There is a reason those scenes were cut. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

(sorry it's a pet peeve of mine that I can't go get some movies as originaly shown. I can only get the 'directors cut' with an extra half hour of crap in it)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your statement is true, except for the first movie. That is still an excellant movie; I just wished the studios had treated the sequels with more respect, instead of just throwing them out there. The series was good also. Wish I had the money to buy the dvd sets. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yea Narf is so unbelievable wrong here I just had to say something. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif The Highlandar is IMO on of the best 10 movies ever made. (the sequels and tv series I have no opinion on.)

Edit: Oops sorry. I see Narf agrees the first movie was good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif

[ March 27, 2004, 01:31: Message edited by: DavidG ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll agree with that. Another one that should be added to that list, and is in league with the original subject of this thread, is Blade Runner. Unfortunately, I can't find the original Version on dvd. All you can find is the one without the voice-over. I wish they'd made a set that included both Versions.

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Okay this threat has completely lost it´s goal (questions about a Matrix DVD box), but that's alright.

Another groovy movie: Pulp Fiction.
It's IMO one of the best movies ever made.
And for fun go and watch The living dead serie. That was one of the most entertaining "horror" serie I've seen.
Also Hellraiser is one of my most beloved DVD sets. I really like Pinhead and "The Doctor". Not all the movies are good, but most of them are just cool to watch.
Horror and Sci fi is a great combo. That brings me to Event Horizon. Another cool movie. I don't remember the best oneliner from the movie, but I believe it was something like "libertate me ex infernus".

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Since this has turned into a movie thread I will post about one I rented Last night: Masked and Anonymous. This was by far the worst movie I have ever seen. I can't believe I sat through the whole thing. At the end of the movie it left me wondering what the whole plot was about and what the point of the movie really was. You'd think with John Goodman, Penelope(sp) Cruz, Jeff Bridges, Luke Wilson and Bob Dylan it would be a half way decent movie. But it was an complete and utter waste of my time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/blush.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I read something about that once. The way I understand it the Harrison Ford voice-over was added to the release Version of the movie over the strenuous objections of the director. But the way the contracts are written, the dvd release is typically pretty much under the directors complete control so he can do what he wants with it. In this case he saw it as a chance to "restore" what was his original vision for the movie.