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newbie123 March 28th, 2004 03:49 AM

OT: Star Trek
 
Sorry for the OT, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a good site with updated information about star trek.Mainly, I'm interested in any info portaining to the new movie (if there is one coming out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif ) and if there is a new series coming out (really don't like Enterprise too much). SO if someone could point me in the right direction, or maybe share anything they heard, I appreciate it

Thanks

Electrum March 28th, 2004 03:57 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
try the official site:
www.startrek.com

Baron Munchausen March 28th, 2004 04:13 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
The official site will only carry information when things have been decided and approved for production. To get rumors and breaking news you want other sources. Try the Star Trek Groups on Usenet. There are dozens of them, but rec.arts.startek.* are the most active and useful for information:

rec.arts.startrek.current
rec.arts.startrek.fandom
rec.arts.startrek.info
rec.arts.startrek.misc
rec.arts.startrek.reviews
rec.arts.startrek.tech

[ March 28, 2004, 02:14: Message edited by: Baron Munchausen ]

Atrocities March 28th, 2004 04:47 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
You might want to drop by the www.trekreview.com as well. The Synopsis page is rather well written and even though it is a new site, I am hopeful it will grow and become a good Star Trek site for information and such. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Electrum March 29th, 2004 03:20 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
here's a couple of interesting sites:
www.5yearmission.com/
www.bringbackkirk.com

Deathstalker March 29th, 2004 05:19 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
The latest 'Trek' rumour is a three movie 'pre-quill' kinda idea (posted on the Ain't It Cool News movie site. The movies would be based upon events and not so much characters with a young Ensign Kirk appearing in the Last of the third movie....don't know if this would ever happen but who knows...

gregebowman March 29th, 2004 05:51 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Deathstalker:
The latest 'Trek' rumour is a three movie 'pre-quill' kinda idea (posted on the Ain't It Cool News movie site. The movies would be based upon events and not so much characters with a young Ensign Kirk appearing in the Last of the third movie....don't know if this would ever happen but who knows...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wouldn't mind seeing young Kirk growing up in a farm in Iowa dreaming of the stars along with his brother Sam. I'd also love to see George Kirk in action, as IIRC he was the security officer of the Robert April era Enterprise. It would be neat to see, but I doubt it would ever happen.

oogs March 30th, 2004 01:09 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
I really don't see that happening either. You have to keep in mind that these movies have to generate revenue from more than star trek fans http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif even then, as a ST fan, I don't like the "TOS" era (yes, i know it reads the The...).


As for a new series... I wouldn't mind seeing something more modern, post-Voyager or even post-Nemesis. It would be nice if they were able to mesh in stories from the previous 3 series (TNG, DS9 and VOY) as well as previous locations, events and people (as guest appearances). I'm sure there's a lot more that'll be happening now that the borg are gone, the dominion are not a big threat, and the federation *does* have technology from the future...

gregebowman March 30th, 2004 02:52 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
I don't think there'll be a new series until Enterprise runs it's seven seasons. But I would have no idea on what it would be about, unless the long lamented Star Trek Academy idea is resurrected. Maybe when I get around to it I'll check those sites out for any and all rumors. And I don't think there'll be a new ST movie, at least not with the TNG cast.

Kamog March 30th, 2004 08:24 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Well, bringing powerful technology from the future to defeat the Borg sort of ruined the story because the Borg were supposed to be this big threat to the federation, and having Janeway violate the prime directive about time travel wasn't so good, even though every starship captain seems to regularly break the rules. Well, now to make things interesting, they have to introduce an even more powerful alien enemy race to threaten the federation.

gregebowman March 30th, 2004 04:56 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kamog:
Well, bringing powerful technology from the future to defeat the Borg sort of ruined the story because the Borg were supposed to be this big threat to the federation, and having Janeway violate the prime directive about time travel wasn't so good, even though every starship captain seems to regularly break the rules. Well, now to make things interesting, they have to introduce an even more powerful alien enemy race to threaten the federation.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, the most powerful race the Federation has run across doesn't seem to have much interest in them, except for one individual. And I'm talking about the Q Continuum. We haven't seen Q in the movies yet, and it would be interesting to see him in the next movie. Maybe to annoy Janeway or Picard? Or maybe they're having another little spat and it's leaking over to Federation space. I still want to know if the Organians were Q, or maybe a branch of the Q who didn't like living whereever the Q live.

Andrés March 30th, 2004 10:35 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
...or maybe the Vong invade the trekkie galaxy.

http://www.njoe.com/~cg/

OK, not the best fan-fic around, but it has some interesting things.

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro March 30th, 2004 11:28 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Captain Christopher Pike gets fed up with the Talosians and decides to go Borg. He's practically one already. Right Capt. Pike? "beep"
Or better yet, he travels back in time with his wheel chair and gets a job as a police chief in a large California City. Changes his name to Chief Ironside.

I don't think there will be anymore Next Genration Movies. You can't shine a turd.

Kamog March 31st, 2004 05:16 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Yeah, those Last couple of Next Generation movies weren't that good. And Data is gone now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

narf poit chez BOOM March 31st, 2004 05:42 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kamog:
Yeah, those Last couple of Next Generation movies weren't that good. And Data is gone now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">They should have gotten rid of Q. I would have cheered. As it is, having heard that...I'm not going to watch that movie.

[ March 31, 2004, 03:50: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Atrocities March 31st, 2004 05:56 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
I like the STNG movies, all of them say for First Contact which I thought was utter Crap.

Nemesis, the Last one, was not a bad movie. I like a lot of what the director did however the dark colors really made enjoying the movie a bit depressing. The death of Data was a well known fact before the movie even began production. John Logan had written a good script with Brent Spiner, but when Rick Berman got a hold of it, well you saw the end result.

Additionally if they would have kept the movie at its original 2 hours and 45 minute length, a lot of things would have made sense. The fact that the duplicate Data was actually constructed by the Romulans based upon the stolen plans for Data would have been an important fact to leave in the movie, but again Rick Berman cut it out.

Oh well.

All we can do now is hope that the rumor that Data survived the bLast rumor is true. That although damaged heavily he survives and is restored by using Lores parts.

Hell they brought Spoke back from the dead.

oogs March 31st, 2004 07:58 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
my understanding of that was that Brent Spiner asked to be killed off... i heard that a long time ago though, and I'm not sure from where.

Perrin March 31st, 2004 05:45 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
The plot of Insurrection is what ruined it for me. The enterprise crew felt the effects of the planet when they entered the system even before getting to the planet itself. If the planet effect was that strong then why wouldn't they just build space stations in orbit? That way they could have gained the benefit of the planet without violating the Prime Directive.

geoschmo March 31st, 2004 07:00 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Captain Kwok:
You're odd atrocities. You hate First Contact but like Insurrection?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not only that, but he used to have a quote from First Contact in his signature. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

tesco samoa March 31st, 2004 07:07 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
The rereleased DVD's are fantasic. Next up is generations.

I just finished IV and the extras.

For those who have not seen these double dvd's Start at 1 and work your way up.

With the new sub going the room shakes....

In IV when the big turd shows up at the beginning I had to turn down the sub.... The whole room was shaking.

It was very very cool.

Next up is V. Most likely in a few weeks.

I will rewatch them again when I get the projector room up and running and the duel subs http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

EvilGenius4ABetterTomorro March 31st, 2004 07:09 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Oh darn, I didn't see Insurrection. Data dies? Don't worry that's not a spoiler for me. I think I'll go rent it this Friday.

Continuing with my attempt to add Capt. Pike to new situations...and be weird.

A Battlebots episode with Capt. Christopher Pike going against a Dalek!

hicksz March 31st, 2004 08:19 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atrocities:

Nemesis, the Last one, was not a bad movie. I like a lot of what the director did however the dark colors really made enjoying the movie a bit depressing. The death of Data was a well known fact before the movie even began production. John Logan had written a good script with Brent Spiner, but when Rick Berman got a hold of it, well you saw the end result.

Additionally if they would have kept the movie at its original 2 hours and 45 minute length, a lot of things would have made sense. The fact that the duplicate Data was actually constructed by the Romulans based upon the stolen plans for Data would have been an important fact to leave in the movie, but again Rick Berman cut it out.

Oh well.

All we can do now is hope that the rumor that Data survived the bLast rumor is true. That although damaged heavily he survives and is restored by using Lores parts.

Hell they brought Spoke back from the dead.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I also liked Nemesis, but there were somethings that really bugged me being a Star Trek fan. Wesley Crusher was at the wedding but I though he was with the traveler. I had to read on a message board that in the Nemesis novel, they explain that Wesley came back, finished his cadet training and is now serving with Captain Riker on the USS Titan. I wish they said that in the movie. Plus you discover only by watching the deleted scenes that Beverly Crusher is now working at Star Fleet Medical. I notice the offical Startrek website hasn't been updated with this information although it shows Deanna Troi as Riker's wife and serving aboard the USS Titan. Also the novel talks about Geordi going to Data's quarters after he dies and giving Worf the cat Spot to look after.

This is the stuff I really missed in Nemesis. I get tired of movies trying to reach a certain running time of around 2 hours to try to tell the story. Hasn't The Lord of the Ring taught the movie industry anything? I feel the Star Wars prequels also suffer from running time. I feel they cram too much in a small amount of space. But that is going off-topic.

gregebowman March 31st, 2004 11:45 PM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
hickz, what you said about movie times is unfortunately all too true. I've read somewhere that most studios would rather release 90 minute movies so that they can be shown at the theatres more in a day than say something like one of the LOTR movies, which can only be shown 2 or 3 times during a day (maybe more during the summer when theatres open earlier). Don't go too much by what you read in the novelizations of movies. most of them are written based on early scripts, and by the time the author has finished the novel based on his script, the shooting script has probably been changed several times. That's why there are so many discrepancies sometimes between the books and the movies. Plus, Paramount has always stated that if you don't see it in the movies or the series, it isn't canon.

Captain Kwok April 1st, 2004 02:02 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
You're odd atrocities. You hate First Contact but like Insurrection?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

newbie123 April 1st, 2004 06:45 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
Out of all TNG movies, I think first contact was the best. I also liked nemesis alot. Didn't really like Insurrection too much, and generations was just ok. It'd be a shame not to have another star trek movie. Even if Picard wasn't in it, maybe have the dominion mobilize for war again or something. I don't know I'm not a writer

narf poit chez BOOM April 1st, 2004 07:36 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
News Flash: Next ST movie will feature Picard, Kirk, the Borg and Luke Skywalker.

Atrocities April 1st, 2004 07:46 AM

Re: OT: Star Trek
 
hicksz you are so right.

And to think that Will Weaton (sp) was actually in the movie then cut was kinda a good bad thing IMHO. His character developed nicely in STGN, but was never explored after he went with the Traveler. (BTW I hated that whole concept)

They cut so much of the movie out that even the deleted scenes are only a fraction of it.

Oh well. You have to remember that we are all considered "Low on the intelligance totem pole" to be kind for what has been reportedly said about the fan bas by those who produce Star Trek, and yes, that is offensive.


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