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Alneyan March 29th, 2004 07:35 PM

[Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
While playing a 2vs2 game (*Waves at Parabolize and Electrum*), I ran into a small problem with the way fleets are handled.

Does anyone know how you can ensure that a given ship will play before another one in a strategical battle? Or for this matter, how the different ships are placed within a given ship? After running a few experiments, it seems like the smaller crafts are the first to play, but I could be wrong. (And I do hope you can tweak around this)

Thanks in advance for any assistance regarding this problem!

primitive March 29th, 2004 07:48 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Check out the formations.txt file

Only ship you have control over is the leader. The rest are placed according to the formation, with the oldest ships getting the lowest number. Since the oldest usually also is the smallest, some of the formations can suck really bad for certain fleet combos.

On the other hand, if you have the time it can be used as a feature; retrofit your old LCs with Shield Depleaters and Engine Destroyers and they can be quite effective as the front line http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Alneyan March 29th, 2004 07:53 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
That's interesting news Primitive! *Grins* Thanks a lot, it will open new paths to my cunning efforts.

Wardad March 29th, 2004 08:53 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Nice signature line Primitive.

President Lomax March 30th, 2004 01:58 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
If you are talking about moving each ship sepearatly in a fleet during battle then I know what to do. Just move every toher ship (other then the leader) until they have no movement points left, then when the leader moves they cannot follow him. I hope that sort of helps.

narf poit chez BOOM March 30th, 2004 02:24 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Quote:

Originally posted by President Lomax:
If you are talking about moving each ship sepearatly in a fleet during battle then I know what to do. Just move every toher ship (other then the leader) until they have no movement points left, then when the leader moves they cannot follow him. I hope that sort of helps.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You can also tell them to break formation; I don't know where or if it works when your moving them.

President Lomax March 30th, 2004 03:03 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
I never knew there was a break formation button order thingy.

narf poit chez BOOM March 30th, 2004 06:59 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
The learning curve is steep, so it's not you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Nice pics in your sig.

[ March 30, 2004, 05:01: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

Kamog March 30th, 2004 08:12 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
I always have my ships break formation. I'm not sure if there really is an advantage in keeping your ships in formation?

narf poit chez BOOM March 30th, 2004 05:27 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Your ships don't follow the leader in formation, which really wastes movement and can stick them in bad positions.

Ragnarok March 30th, 2004 06:40 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Quote:

Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
Your ships don't follow the leader in formation, which really wastes movement and can stick them in bad positions.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You mean that they do follow the leader in formation, do you not?
Breaking formation is always the best option cause the ships will then revert to their individual ship class strat. instead of the fleet strat.

mac5732 March 30th, 2004 06:47 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
where do you find the break formation button?

Wardad March 30th, 2004 06:57 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Mac, It is not just one button, but a group of buttons in the individual strategy menus.

There are buttons for types: transports, carrier, fighters, unarmed, etc...

[ March 30, 2004, 16:59: Message edited by: Wardad ]

capnq March 30th, 2004 08:08 PM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
In tactical combat only, under Orders, Clear All Group Assignments breaks the formation, also.

narf poit chez BOOM March 31st, 2004 01:35 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Ragnarok:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by narf poit chez BOOM:
Your ships don't follow the leader in formation, which really wastes movement and can stick them in bad positions.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You mean that they do follow the leader in formation, do you not?
Breaking formation is always the best option cause the ships will then revert to their individual ship class strat. instead of the fleet strat.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">With my unqouted Posts, you may have to scroll down 1 post. I refuse to qoute the post in front of mine. Fosters laziness.

Kamog March 31st, 2004 04:51 AM

Re: [Strategical Combat] Query about ship placement
 
Speaking of the strategy menu, is there any way to delete a strategy you have created? Sometimes I have added my own strategies by using the "Add" button but there's no "Delete" button, so when I no longer want to use the strategies I made, I can't get rid of them and they clutter the window.

As a workaround, now I no longer name the strategies I made with anything specific. I just call them "Strategy A", "Strategy B" and so on and only make 2 or 3. I keep modifying them if I need to change them, and I just remember what they do. That way the window doesn't get cluttered up with a bunch of obsolete strategies.


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