PBW: New Game Star Trek Final Frontier IV
 

This game will have six players. Three are already invited so the the remaining three are by invite only.

If your interested in playing one of the following races and <font color=red>CAN SCHEDULE WEEKEND TURN FESTS</font color> then please post. UserX, CK and I will then decide who to invite.

Breen - Tnarg
Cardassian
Ferengi

Taken
Federation - UserX
Klingons - Atrocities
Romulans - Captain Kwok

[ May 06, 2004, 18:22: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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I'm assuming will be using the (a) zoomed in Alpha/Beta quadrant map?

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I would be interested in playing either the Breen or Cardassians. This isn't a 24 hour turn time is it. If it is a super short turn duration I'll pass, but if not hey, interested, and my weekends are usually free.

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Thanks Tnarg, I will let you know.

The game isn't going to start until the end of the month.


CK - I was wondering what map you guys want to use.

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Crap... I must kick someone who joined the game without an invite.

Tnarg you are first come so whatever race you want is fine. If CK and UserX agree then I would be happy to have you in the game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The duration are 48 hours or Last Player Upload. The weekends we will try and play for four hours at a pop. Sometimes we meet on line and play longer but with six players that might be a bit difficult.

Most times are either morning, 7am to 11 am or eventing 5pm to 10 pm. But they are based upon past games and will most likely change.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I could make one? In fact, I have a new one verson almost ready that would be perfect. Let me see if I can finish it this evening and I'll pass around.

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AT, just looking at the game settings. Are you sure we want to start the game at low tech? I find it's real slow to get these games off the ground.

Med tech start would help kick off the game.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't care how long the period is between turns but I do like making plans to get together at least once a week to play several turns.

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UserX:

Yeah, finish up that map. I can start this game until 29 Apr anyways. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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isn't Star Trek V the Final Frontier

IV was Voyage Home

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, I'd suggest 1 planet, med tech start. What do others think?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, I'd suggest 1 planet, med tech start. What do others think? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Seems logical, oops there goes the Vulcan side of me again http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif , But yeah, I agree with UserX.

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This game will have six players. Three are already invited so the the remaining three are by invite only.

If your interested in playing one of the following races and <font color=red>CAN SCHEDULE WEEKEND TURN FESTS</font color> then please post. UserX, CK and I will then decide who to invite.

Breen - Tnarg
Cardassian
Ferengi

Taken
Federation - UserX
Klingons - Atrocities
Romulans - Captain Kwok

Med tech start with one planet or 3 planet start on low tech is fine with me either way. You guys call it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

The mod has changed so we could adjust the cost of tech to low cost and start with 3 planets low tech and be ok. I would like to start this game after the 1.7.3 update has been released and uploaded to PBW. This way the benifits of those improvements can be used in this game.

(Lets look to May 3rd as a start date what do you all say?)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sounds good. The reason I mention each starting with 1 planet and medium tech is that having one homeworld give us all a sense of origin. I would rename my planet to Earth but what would I name 3! Either way is cool with me. I just want to fight some Romulans ...Oops, did I say that out loud?

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Fyron, you interested? You always seem available.

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I doubt if Fyron would enjoy this game. He is more of a 1 turn a week kind of player and scheduling weekend trun fests might not be possible with his schedule.

But if he wants in and if it is ok with you guys, then I am all for it.

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Sorry, but one turn a week is way to slow for me. It will take us until xmas to make first contact.

Just curious, why no intel? I thought the intel rules they set for the other game was cool.

Also, I've got my map almost complete. I'm just sealing off the delta and gamma quadrants. I'm wondering, what about a computer player? The map is really balenced for odd # players, I'm thinking the Tholians because of their placement at the bottom left of the map. What do you think?

Lastly, I noticed that minors would be in the game, can we place them? I've got systems for the Talar, Gorn, Orions, Naussican, and I believe one more.

Thoughts

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I'd drop the neutrals. It's just a chance for those close to them to exploit them.

However, I though this mod made intel more balanced by removing some of the more unbalancing projects (i.e. PPP, etc) - is this not true?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If we can place them, then it's cool as there is a distance between them and the major powers on the map.

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You would gain no technology from neutrals. If anything they will add flavor to the game.

Intel is out. Even with revised rules explotation is still possible if a player makes a mistake. Intel is just to .... problamatic for SEIV.

If the majority wants intel in the game then we will have it. If the majority does not want neutrals then we will ditch them.

I am game either way we go. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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How often are you planning to do these weekened turn fests. Cause it is summer time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif , and I don't think that I am going to be home EVERY weekend. If this is a problem, I'll drop. If you don't mind my absence now and then I would be greatful to still be in.

Any one know of a website that you can get cheap used, two or three year old laptops, hell I'll even take a five or six year old one as long as it has enough juice to run SEIV and a good wordprocessor. This would solve all my problems. I have about a handful of dirt to pay for it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ April 23, 2004, 06:12: Message edited by: Tnarg ]

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I will be away over many weekends so not very often Tnarg. At best guess here and there will most likely more often than not be the choice at hand.

Really I just want a nice game and turn fest + mIRC are a load of fun and you can really get into the RPG of the race. You should read some of our logs from when we played Last. Most stimulating.

GAME ISSUE - Do we want weapons of mass destruction or not? We had them Last time and they were used much to the displeasure of the Federation.

What about mines and Fighters. If it were up to me mines are ok, but I would like to leave out fighters and just use Support Craft. (Small shuttle and Smaller Shuttle)

Just a though.

Without WOMD Intel can work fine so long as we agree to certain rules before hand. No planet capture intel projects or like.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm ok with no Intel but I want Neutrals. I hate feeling along in the galaxy with just enemies http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The Federation does not mind WMD when they are not being used against it.... lost my best fleet to Romulan system buster!!! Support craft are fine.. .... hell, everything is fine by me. The more of everything the better.

[ April 24, 2004, 05:26: Message edited by: userx ]

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Looks like it just might be the four of us playing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Three more days until the dead line.

I need everyones YES or NO on these:

1. 3 Planet Start
2. Low tech Start
3. Low Tech Cost
4. No Intel Or
4a. Have intel but no sabotage)
4b. Have complete intel
5. No Fighters - just support craft
6. WMD ok

Also what kind of map do you all want to use?

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My votes:

1. 3 planet start - YES
2. Low Tech start - NO (Medium)
3. Low Tech cost - NO (High)
4a. Espionage Intel - YES
4b. Sabotage Intel - NO
5. Fighters - YES (At least as an option)
6. Stellar Manipulation - Can it be set so that allows planet destroying, but not star destruction?

BTW, is the problem with remote mining fixed? Or does it at least decrease the value of asteroids?

[ April 26, 2004, 15:58: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Agree with everything except I would prefer 1 planet start especialy if we use my Star Trek Map but I'll be happy with majorety rule.

Also, would like Minor races... it's nice to have friend or two when the Klingons and Romulans are attacking you.

Speaking of the Star Trek map, it's done but this is looking more and more like a 4 player game ... maybe I should modify it more for 3 or 4 player game.

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What about playing more than one race each?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That'd be out of the question. It's too easy to exchange techs and stuff of that sort.

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UserX is having PC issues and will be OFF-LINE for a while.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Agree with everything except I would prefer 1 planet start especialy if we use my Star Trek Map but I'll be happy with majorety rule.

Also, would like Minor races... it's nice to have friend or two when the Klingons and Romulans are attacking you.

Speaking of the Star Trek map, it's done but this is looking more and more like a 4 player game ... maybe I should modify it more for 3 or 4 player game. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I also agree with userx, One planet start please, everything else is good.

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Please, another couple of days and I'm back Online... what a pain in the $%%. I'm buying a Mac. Someone should sure MS for the #$#@ crapy software they produce.

Anyway. Got a good firewall running so I should be fine but I need to install SE (meaning I need to find it) and all the patches and the mods so it will take me a few days.

Userx ... possibly soon a Mac user

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We got a mac laptop. Don't get one if your looking for options.

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I am sure that someone has tried and was told that they agreed to use the software via the software end user license therefore they accepted all responsiblity for the crappy arsed software and the problems it causes.

What would work better is if MS was forced to honor service calls for its software for 10 years after it has been sold regarless of the number of calls they receive it should all be free.

Right now you can call them twice past that it cost $200.00 bucks a call.

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I should note that we are also waiting on CK's revision of the component and mounts before we start.

I have no problem with 4 players. I want to know should we include neutrals or not.

I say yes, many.


I say limit INTEL to Espinoge only.
No Fighters

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many neutrals is good for me ... cool with your other suggestions.

OK, I'm almost back in service here ... just need to install SE and all the patches and mods ... tomorrow?

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any openings in the game still??

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You have to agree to the terms of the game.

Read the first post and then let us know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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would like to, weekend turnfests would be up for grabs though. i could force automation when i couldn't make the fest http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Weekend turn fests are going to be a big part of this game. What I would recommend is that you wait until the 1.7.5 patch is out then start a new Game with that patch. This way you will have control over the game and can play a race you want. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Having another player would be cool ... We need a Cardassian player. If I could just find my SE disk then I could get back into the race here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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The problem is finding players who can schedule long playing sessions on the weekends.

Remember how much fun those were. We would all be chating and making our turns. The RPG factor, as well as the fun factor, went through the roof.

When you do a turn a day or every other day the game looses the feel and intensity that is gained by haveing played several turns in a day.

In most cases on our weekend turn fests we averaged about 20 turns. That is not bad given the length of the game over all.

Now CK is redoing the components, I don't want to even think about how bad *** the Romulans are going to be. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Nah. The Romulans will be equal but different just as every major race is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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/me breaks into a cold sweat.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What's going to change with the components?

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So, when we going to start this?

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I am waiting for the files from CK.