Chernobyl
 

This must be one of the most beautyful trips ever made. I lack words to describe it. WOW!

Trip to Chernobyl

The woman/girl who wrote this really lookes like my GF. Or does my GF looks like the (very, very, very) nice woman/girl of this story?
Anyway, a downright gorgeous story.

Enjoy these pics and the story.

[ April 21, 2004, 18:17: Message edited by: Timstone ]

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What an outstanding site and find! This is more educational than any of the stories I've seen. Now that is one true ghost town in more ways than one.
Thanks for the share!

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Don't thank me, but my Polish GF. Her family send us this link. Glad you like it.

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I never realized the full extent of this disaster. Thanks for the link.

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Impressed,

I remember the disaster, I was 10 or 11 back than.
I life in the Netherlands, some 2000 km from Kiev (maybe more).And even in The Netherlands Rad-levels increased, I remember that all the very old and very young where summoned to their doctors to get some Iodine-salt (I hope I translate this correctly) to withstand the higher Rad-Levels.
So imagine the impact on the people over there still living in the area, HUGE...... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Intimidator

[ April 21, 2004, 18:33: Message edited by: Intimidator ]

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Intimidator:
Waar woon jij dan? Ik woon in Noord-Holland in een gat dat Velserbroek heet. Dat ligt bij Haarlem mocht je het niet op de landkaarten kunnen vinden. We zijn nu met 4 Nederlanders op dit forum; Sparhawk, Henk Brouwer, jij en ik. Ik had je, tot mijn verbazing, nog niet opgemerkt. Prettig kennis te maken.

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Hoi

Ik woon in Arnhem (Gelderland)
Henk Brouwer heb ik al eerder gesproken, maar jij was me nog niet opgevallen (stom, Kleigat : dan moet er toch een belletje gaan rinkelen).

Intimidator

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Maybe it's not that polite to speak dutch on this open forum http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif (wordt tijd dat ze ook Nederlands leren) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

So you could mail me the next time.

Intimidator

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it certainly doesn't bother me at all. It's a global forum so us English speakers should expect there to be some foreign words written here sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

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The site has been on /. a couple of times, and they really screwed over her host's bandwidth. So be gentle everyone -- share the site sparingly with others.

I really like the (web)site though. Whenever I've been there (the web site, not Chernobyl), I always end up lingering (on the pages) a real long time. Just thinking.

She mentions wild life and has photos of wild horses, which is cool. What I wonder about something I heard 'bout a year after the incident:

A couple secretaries/receptionists were talking in the hallway at college. They said the plant life there was growing weird and misshapen in responce to the radiation. I had to interrupt them. I know a lot of radiation was released, but plants, as I recall, can survive an order of magnitude more radiation than animal life, so it didn't seem plausible to me. They didn't have the specifics -- it was just a rumor for them.

The trees don't look odd in any of the pictures but I'll have to settle this myself. I need a book on Ukrainian botany, lunch, motorcycle, and a radiation gauge. I'm unemployed, so I got time. Did I forget anything else -- oh, wait, money for a flight to Russia http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ April 21, 2004, 19:33: Message edited by: Arkcon ]

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A great and sad article. Here's a few of my thoughts:

The author does not distinguish between radiation and contamination. Contamination are unwanted radioactive deposits. Contamination is what is in/on the ground and areas. Contamination gives off radiation of various kinds.

Alpha radiation (basically a helium nucleus) is both the safest and one of the worst. It is the safest because it can't even penetrate a piece of paper or your outer layer of skin. It is the worst because if you injest it by breathing dust or eating alpha contaminated food, it does the worst damage to your internal tissues.

Beta radiation are basically free electrons and positrons. They also are easily shielded. Clothing will stop Beta radiation. Beta is also very bad for internal contamination.

Gamma radiation are just high energy photons. The levels shown in this article on the road trip are thousands of times lower than what you have received during an x-ray. Although any unnecessary exposure should be avoided. The higher levels mentioned can indeed be fatal as discussed. Gamma radiation is highly penetrating - a good thumbrule is that 2 inches of lead will stop 90% of the gammas. Therefore there is no practical "suit" you could wear to protect from gammas. Gamma radiation is the most common from nuclear byproducts and the production of the other kinds of radiation also is usually accompanied by a gamma. It is the gamma radiation that the woman is reading on her detector and it is the gamma that gives you the "general area" radiation levels. Gammas can pass right thru your body or damage tissues along the way.

Neutron radiation, which is very rare from fallout, normally is only detected around actual fission (operating reactor). There are probably no measurable neutron radiation sources outside the sarchophagus and the undergound burial sites. If found, neutron sources are the absolute worst. Neutrons, like gammas, are highly penetrating and do significant tissue damage. Lead does not shield gammas very well. There are certain substances that have good nuclear properties for absorbing neutrons. The article mentions dumping boron into the reactor, that's the reason.

Those are the major types of radiation of concern for nuclear reactors.

Intimidator: as far as iodine goes, Iodine is given to people exposed to fallout. It is normally in the form of a KI (potassium-iodide) pill. What fallout means is a massive spread of the nuclear products of fission. These are generally highly radioactive isotopes of just about everything on the periodic table. Basically there is nothing that can be done if you breathe or otherwise injest radioactive isotopes. Your body will get zapped from the inside out. A *small* protective measure, and one of the only things you can really do is take a KI pill. Your body uses iodine in small quantities. One of the places it concentrates is in/near the thyroid gland. Therefore the thought process is that if you flood your body with KI, any radioactive iodine that your body injests will not be absorbed. As far as all the other isotopes you might have injested, there are no real other ways to prevent your body from absorbing them. So the bottom line is that taking a KI tablet unfortunately does not allow you to withstand any more radiation than the next guy. It does seem to have a calming effect on the general population, though, which is why there were mass rushes to get these pills.

Slick.

edit: corrected typos.

[ April 22, 2004, 02:23: Message edited by: Slick ]

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As far as radioactive iodine goes, much of what we know about it was learned at Chernobyl. The medical applications of that knowledge saved my wife's life--radioactive iodine is used as a treatment for thyroid cancer. At least there's usually some good in everything.

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Very thought Provoking site Timstone, thanks for sharing. The photos seems like they're from some sort of movie, but you see how they were taken (They aren't done by professional Photographers, they look like photos you and I would take, and that adds some integrity to it) Definitely a prominent warning we may be messing with things we're not ready for yet... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Wow, that little collection of pictures will really make you stop and ponder the meaning of it all. I wonder how many of those graphite time bombs are still cooking?

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Nice site, but I think maybe they ought to try and preserve whatever historical artifacts, in the one picture, shes touching the old photos (a no no if I saw one)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How?

Really, she shouldn't even be there. She said herself it was only because of her father that she is able to get in.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it certainly doesn't bother me at all. It's a global forum so us English speakers should expect there to be some foreign words written here sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, but they should be followed by an English translation.

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That's a fascinating site. Thanks for posting it. I hope she doesn't get sick from the radiation, going into those abandoned areas. Yeah, I know she carries around that geiger counter and stays away from the really dangerous spots, but it still sounds risky...

600 years for the radiation level to go down sufficiently to be able to live there again... that's a LONG time! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it certainly doesn't bother me at all. It's a global forum so us English speakers should expect there to be some foreign words written here sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, but they should be followed by an English translation. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I just couldn't help but say this....

Well if they should post an english translation, why shouldn't you post a Dutch translation of your Posts? Sounds fair to me.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Nope, not at all. This is an English speaking forum. If we were on a Dutch speaking forum, it would be a reasonable suggestion though. The entire purpose of a forum is for people in different places to be able to communicate with each other and understand each other. A common language is necessary towards that goal. Otherwise, everything falls apart...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I disagree. This game, and more importantly the various companies that make money off it, each in their own little way, want to reach as many people as possible, including those five, or so, billion people outside the U.S., the British Isles, Canadia, Oz, and various other English-speaking places.

In addition to that run-on sentance (or was it?) I offer that I don't mind conversations that go on that I can't understand.

Om s ;py pg pyjrt esud yjsy epi;f nr mpt,sl/

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nope, radiation therapy for thyroid malignancies has for what I know not been affected in any way by the chernobyl accident.
That treatment is old and well used before chernobyl.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well, it certainly doesn't bother me at all. It's a global forum so us English speakers should expect there to be some foreign words written here sometimes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif . </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, but they should be followed by an English translation. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I just couldn't help but say this....

Well if they should post an english translation, why shouldn't you post a Dutch translation of your Posts? Sounds fair to me.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hi,

Fyron, I already said that it wasn't polite to do so, but I made one small comment in Dutch.

So here the translation : "It's about time that they all learn Dutch" not that important I guess, but maybe if the Dutch never sold New york (New Amsterdam in that days) to the Brits. The whole world was speaking dutch right now (imagine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

Intimidator

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might have been for the better.

dont mind Fyron, hes just a bit insecure.

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Do what I do...Babelfish! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif If you really want to know what people say in other Languages here just translate it. It may not be 100% accurate but it gets the main point across and you can figure out what they meant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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etslay allay ostpay inay igpay atinlay osay yronfay antcay eadray itay. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ April 22, 2004, 19:54: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Good one Geo!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Wow, it's a lot harder to read than it is to understand spoken.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.emas eht fo noisrev nwo ym referp I ,sknaht oN

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Phoe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I got it !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Phoe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I got it !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">79 102 32 99 111 117 114 115 101 44 32 105 102 32 121 111 117 32 114 101 97 108 108 121 32 119 97 110 116 32 116 111 32 98 101 32 111 98 115 99 117 114 101 44 32 121 111 117 32 99 97 110 32 97 108 119 97 121 115 32 101 110 99 111 100 101 32 105 116

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.SED tsael ta ro ,AEDI htiw og ot retteb od d'uoY .edoc IICSA denoihsaf dlo-doog eht ot yrestym yna si ereht ekil ton s'tI

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why latin ? Wouldn't Mandarin be better, after all "he" could have spent 10 years in catholic school.

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Time to pull out my ASCII table...

Of course

Ah, I feel too tired to translate the whole thing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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2E 79 61 68 74 65 65 72 20 79 61 63 65 6E 69 62 6D 6F 20 79 61 68 73 64 6C 75 6F 20 79 61 77 65 20 79 61 6D 65 62 79 41

[ April 23, 2004, 05:50: Message edited by: Jack Simth ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not bloody likely. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Maybe we should. That's a good one! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.SED tsael ta ro ,AEDI htiw og ot retteb od d'uoY .edoc IICSA denoihsaf dlo-doog eht ot yrestym yna si ereht ekil ton s'tI </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">87 101 108 108 44 32 112 101 111 112 108 101 32 97 114 101 32 97 99 116 117 97 108 108 121 32 115 117 112 112 111 115 101 100 32 116 111 32 114 101 97 100 32 105 116 46 32 65 110 100 32 105 102 32 121 111 117 114 32 104 97 118 105 110 103 32 116 114 111 117 98 108 101 44 32 106 117 115 116 32 100 111 119 110 108 111 97 100 32 97 32 102 114 101 101 119 97 114 101 32 112 114 111 103 114 97 109 109 105 110 103 32 108 97 110 103 117 97 103 101 32 97 110 100 32 98 117 105 108 100 32 97 32 100 101 99 111 100 101 114 46 32 73 39 109 32 117 115 105 110 103 32 97 32 112 114 111 103 121 32 108 97 110 103 117 97 103 101 32 102 111 114 32 109 121 32 101 110 99 111 100 101 114 46

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.dnahtrohs ralucitrap taht ssorca nur evah I emit tsrif eht s'taht ,timda tsum I ?'egaugnal ygorp' A

.emahs roF ?ni lla ti etsap ypoc neht ,nottub a sserp ,ni ti epyt tsuj uoy ,naem uoY ?ytilitu a gnisu era er'uoY

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Phoe http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I got it !! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">79 102 32 99 111 117 114 115 101 44 32 105 102 32 121 111 117 32 114 101 97 108 108 121 32 119 97 110 116 32 116 111 32 98 101 32 111 98 115 99 117 114 101 44 32 121 111 117 32 99 97 110 32 97 108 119 97 121 115 32 101 110 99 111 100 101 32 105 116 </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">?yaeno yafhcte yato yalyza yaddenma yatoo yawsa yaI yabesuace yajtsu ,yatelba a yawtuohti yamsetuni yawto yatuoba yani yahtta yartdetalsna yaI yahtta yasda yati yasI

.yatopy :yatide--

[ April 23, 2004, 08:09: Message edited by: Will ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.dnahtrohs ralucitrap taht ssorca nur evah I emit tsrif eht s'taht ,timda tsum I ?'egaugnal ygorp' A

.emahs roF ?ni lla ti etsap ypoc neht ,nottub a sserp ,ni ti epyt tsuj uoy ,naem uoY ?ytilitu a gnisu era er'uoY </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
I wrote it myself. So there. Besides, looking up stuff on an ASCII code list is just mind-numbing. Actually writing a program, even if a simple one, is fun.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">.neht tnereffid s'taht llew ,hO

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All who goof around with translation fever: "Thread jackers!!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Believe me good RD, we're ready for more fusion and fission. The only thing that was an big error in Chernobyl was that the military was in control of the powerplant.
On order of the military the people of the powerplant shut off all the 50 different failsaves. This causes the reactor to produce more energy (thus more electrical output). The darkside of this was the gigantic risc of a meltdown. This meltdown doesn't always have to lead to a mushroom, this was averted by a clever maintenance worker who decided to drop the carbon rods into the reactor. Thus preventing a thermal overload.
The coolant of the reactor was often given the blame of the overload (because the West used water to cool things down and the Russians use a more efficient carbon based liquid (a little bit more dangerous than water, but far more efficient)), but this is not true. It was a plain and simple economic decision which created this accident. Stupid military guys. If those failsaves were in place the plant didn't produce as much output, but at least it would have still been in operation.
"No, we don't fail. So we don't need those pesky failsaves. We are the invincible Red Army." Tss... suckers.

Edit: Typo's, typo's, typo's...

[ April 23, 2004, 13:11: Message edited by: Timstone ]

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Since we are on the topic of encoding right now, take a look at this.

01001001001000000110001001100101011101000010000001
11100101101111011101010010000001100001011011000110
11000010000001100011011000010110111001101110011011
110111010000100000011001100110 10010110011101110101011100100110010100100000011011
11011101010111010000100000010000100110100101101110
01100001011100100111100100100001001000000011101000
101001001000000100001001110101 01110100001000000110000101100011011101000111010101
10000101101100011011000111100100101100001000000111
10010110111101110101001000000111000001110010011011
110110001001100001011000100110 11000111100100100000011101110110100101101100011011
00001000000110100101100110001000000111100101101111
01110101001000000110101101101110011011110111011100
100000011101110110100001100101 01110010011001010010000001110100011011110010000001
10011101101111001011000010000001100001011011100110
01000010000001101011011011100110111101110111001000
000110100001101111011101110010 00000111010001101111001000000110010001101111001000
00011010010111010000101110001000000100100001100001
01110110011001010010000001100001001000000110110001
101111011011110110101100101100 00100000011100010111010101100101011100110111010001
10100101101111011011100010000001101101011001010010
00000110100101100110001000000111100101101111011101
010010000001100011011000010110 11100110111001101111011101000010000001100110011010
01011001110111010101110010011001010010000001101001
011101000010000001101111011101010111010000101110

[ April 23, 2004, 14:10: Message edited by: Ragnarok ]

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Very interesting indeed.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Figure it out? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sorry, I was talking of the article.


You didn't seriously expect me to break that code, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ahh ok, I understand. It is indeed a cool article, I read it a few days before it got posted here.

I sure did expect you to break it! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I expect the most out of everyone! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Rags:
Bug off with your brain teasers. If I don't have a brain, what is there to tease then, right?

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*blink*

Isn't that one of the weird Messages from Sphere?