God I Feel Just Horrible
 

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I really feel bad about what I have just done. I am playing a Stock Game of SEIV, nothing like the plain SEIV Gold to get you going, and well one of my long time Neutral allies sends me a request for Trate and Research alliance. I responded by breaking our treaty and having already positioned my fleet over their Home World I attack.

I feel horrible as they resisted my ground troops and ultimately my fleet had to obliterate the planet.

All they wanted to be was good friends, and I glass their Home World. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

I feel horrible now.

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As you should!! Killing millions of enemies....I mean, innocent civilians http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif . How dare you murder those who would resist your enlightened rule!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Si vis pacem, Para bellum. It had to be done. Are the lives of some unknown aliens more important than the lives of your citizens of the empire?

They were already done for. You only helped them to a quick and relatively painless and radioactive death.

So turn that frown upside down... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I would have felt worse if you had blown up the whole system. Because if you had then what would the point have been in going there in the first place. I mean waste all that money to get there then waste all the resources to blow it up. At least with the planet empty you don't have to keep troops there to keep them in line, they can't rebel if they're dead, and you can colonize it to get more resources.

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Oops, I should change my saying at the bottom. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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I just feel bad for having wipped out the race. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif They had only one planet, their home world, and I tried to conqure them, but they kept fighting. They were so inocent, like deer in the ones head lights.

I do feel bad. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif Sad really over having made their race extinct.

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Well, you do realize that the whole Trade and Research treaty they offered you was just a pretext to steal your women, don't you?

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You should do what I do:
Accept the treaty with the peaceful neutral and break your treaties with the neutral's genocidal enemies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I guess that's why they call you Atrocities.

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Well, I usually use team mode against the computer, so they always declare war on me, and so I never have to attack any allies. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif Hey, they started the war FIRST.

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Ok, Atrocities, this one is uh, not worth it. It's a computer game. Now, let's count up the types of crimes I'd be charged with if computer games where real. I'm not going to try to count the numbers.

Genocide. (Strategy games)
Tyranny. (Strategy games)
Mass-murder. (Strategy games)
Regicide. (Strategy game)
Treason. (Space combat game, strategy game)
Killing a police officer. (Interstate 76,82)
1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder. (RPG's, strategy games, theif)
Firing on a police officer. (Interstate 76,82)
Assault. (Many games)
Exceeding the police limit. (Racing games, Guess)
Grand, normal and petty theft. (RPG's, theif)
Breaking and entering. (RPG's, theif)

And I remember making a longer list once. If those where real, I would justly fry.

But those were games. No pixels were harmed in the making of that list. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

And if you were joking, consider yourself whapped. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ May 07, 2004, 07:47: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Make a press speech and simply say
"That's Collateral Damages, I'm sorry".
And then you'll be able to sleep well again.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ROFLMAO - Good one. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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And what if SEIV wasn't actually a game, but rather a simulation of the current events in a galaxy far away from us? (There is something along these lines described in a good, but I cannot mention it lest I spoil it for you if you happen to read it later on)

"But worry not gentle reader who killed millions of civilians, while even mice have deserted your castle to escape from your dreadful wrath to behold! By reading "A Primer to Statesmanship in the Age of Space travel" that you are currently holding in your royal hands, you shall become a peaceful and enlightened leader, instead of being a "ruthless evil overlord warmonger" as your neighbours presently call you!

For instance, glassing a planet is oftentimes a hassle, as your neighbours may blame you for killing a few billion inhabitants at a whim. Instead of this poor image, you shall consider to become an enlightened leader, dedicated to promote peace and prosperity to the whole galaxy. In the aforementioned example, you are in fact merely removing the awful burden these beings carry, since you are such a benevolent sovereign.

Obviously gentle reader, you will want to capture a few million of these aliens to make your self-centered neighbours understand your true motives. Their purpose ("their" would be either these alien beings or your neighbours, as deemed necesary) will be to serve as examples, since you shall torture and torment them until they regret to be still alive. Thereafter, you are to liberate their brethrens by ending their lives at once, since you do not want them to share the same horrendous fate as your captives.

Therefore, your thralls... erh, enlightened thralls, will not fail to notice that you didn't "kill" or "slaughter" (such words are so harsh and do no justice to your serene demeanour) these beings, but instead brought them mercy by releasing them from their agony to come. Likewise, your neighbours shall see the truth in these words, and thus is the proper way to deal with such previously annoying events without being labelled with various dyslogistic terms." As seen in "A Primer to Statesmanship in the Age of Space travel", for the reserved use of all approved leaders in the galaxy.

Hmm, my apologizes for this little digressing. Rest assured I do not share the ideas explained above, although they shall be very useful to explain why I am currently killing one thousand civilians every *second* in one of my games. Alas, the Organic facility increases population too much, and so explaining that the two billion settlers working at a given planet were in fact warriors is quite difficult.

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I will see you in The Hague, very soon Atrocities.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Troops? You waste resources on TROOPS?? Building only bombs does so simplify management and strategy. It makes all of the choices so...unambiguous.

For you and them.

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The worst part is that it happened accidentally. Ooops they fought off our invasion. Fleet "therefore" bombs defenseless planet to dust. Sigh.

PvK

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I did something similar once, basically beat up RaceA till the point where they only had one planet. Enter RaceB: Warmongering and bloodthirsty. They come into the system, ignore my fleet there and bLast the hell out of the Last of RaceA's worlds. Farewell RaceA.

I felt really bad about that, so I went after RaceB, swearing to bring them to justice for what they'd done (but it was perfectly ok for me to nearly destroy RaceA, because I was the one doing it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ).

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Someone who does not find WOMs after an offensive war must feel the same (plus he should say bye bye to politics immediately).

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Gun Boat Diplomacy Works For Me.

I like capturing targets as opposed to obliterating them. In some cases I like to capture planets held by races that breath differant atomspheres than my own race. In this regard they become very valuable members of my expanding empire and provide me with a vialable alternative to AMP's.

Additionally I help this race spread its seed across the galaxy in a way that its own race could never do by themselves.

I do hate it when I spend the time and resources to capture a Home World and forget to set my fleet strategy to Capture Planet. Then hit Strategic instead of Tactical combat. Pooof GONE - turn done. No more Hydrogen breathers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif And the sad thing about it, I actually loved that race. They were very freindly to us from early on and we turn our backs on them and the wiped them all out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif A beutiful race gone forever.... I need to speak to the royal counseller about these feelings of regret and deep sadness I feel. Perhaps it is time that I pass my empire on to one of my many million children. (After all I have 30,000 wives that I have still not gifted with my love.) A ruler such as I should now concentrate upon the finer points of life and dedicate himself to helping his beloved wives discover their pleasure thresholds and leave the waring to the younger generations.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Yes, that is what I will do. Drown my sorrow and pain in pleasure and drink.

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and they call ME an animal.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No they call you an animal because you eat your women. ComPow Women. Eeewwwwwww. Stay out of our space you vile creature. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">they haven't comp-- whoops, nevermind.

[ May 09, 2004, 02:38: Message edited by: Puke ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No they call you an animal because you eat your women. ComPow Women. Eeewwwwwww. Stay out of our space you vile creature. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Um, I believe we have a slight misunderstanding here, caused by what is called a "figure of speech"...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No they call you an animal because you eat your women. ComPow Women. Eeewwwwwww. Stay out of our space you vile creature. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">*Raging Deadstar quickly notes down never to visit Calonica in Play By Commitee*

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Atrocities is living up to his name. Way to go! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

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I sure am. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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I've been trying to figure out my body count from almost 20 years of strategy games. It surely took a big jump since I started playing MOO2 and SEIV. Glassing planets is just so easy. I'd say a few hundreds of billions. A Trillion maybe?

I actually found a body count number from a few years of Star Fleet Battles. It was up over 400,000 .

My bad, you bad, we all baaaad!

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I would like to issue a warning to all Players contemplating accusing myself as a Genocidal dictator and be charged for crimes against humanity....

I wasn't bombarding Humanity at the time! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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At least you do not plan to destroy Earth in order to pave the way for an intergalactic expressway, do you?

Provided you do not indulge in planning such a thing, I would reckon you will be fine, as you merely killed, what, a few billion aliens? Such accidents happen all the time, and it would be hypocritical to consider you were actually responsible for the wicked twists of fate.

(The fact that I am myself likely to be charged for such a crime has nothing to do with my eagerness to defend an estimated colleague... erh, I mean, Raging Deadstar. I am speaking the truth, and not defending my own interest and above all, my own hide.)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL

I believe so, After all what cruel tricks fate plays on me. How was i supposed to tell the difference between the ATTACK order for my Warships and the COLONISE Order for my colony ships... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif Alas, if only i had kept my towel...

Anyway, they were an agressive race of bloodthirsty......serene artists. Do you KNOW How vicious, cunning and evil Artists are, especially SERENE Artists http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif ? No more of those strange students infecting the galaxy now! The means justify the end http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

(And yes, before anyone wants to criticise me for being unfair on Artists i'd like to point out I AM one of those strange art students who clutter up the galaxy http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

[ May 20, 2004, 19:17: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

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Im reminded of an old conversation over a game of Battletech. One of our regulars was working on painting (beautiful work, by the way) a batallion of Jade Falcon mechs, and he was about one company (12 mechs) into it. oh wait, clan groupings.. um, one cluster is 5 stars is 25 mechs? hell, i cant remember. he was about 1/3rd done with a total sellection of about 50-70 minis.

thats not the point. Someone made an off the cuff comment about the Falcons being a bunch of punks, senseless butchers, war criminals, and all arround un-nice people.

The Falcon player responded that it was nothing but a bunch of lies and propoganda, and that if you went to the planet of Turtle Bay and asked ANY of the citizens of Edo, not ONE of them would have a SINGLE bad thing to say about their Jade Falcon occupiers.

Of course, the accuser had a ready response to this, but if you know anything about the battletech storyline then you already get the joke.

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Hopefully, you still have some tea at the very least, even if you managed to lose your towel. I mean, how are your beloved citizens supposed to trust you if you no longer have your towel? And remember the upcoming elections, where you will compete with a certain Raging Deadstar. (How peculiar, your namesake happens to be part of these elections as well.)

This being said, I do understand your concern, for such beings are truly best kept away from your soldiers. Otherwise, you might find half your army suddenly more interested in arts and other similar frivolities than in conquest, war and extermination. However, artists are obviously needed in your own planets, as who else will be able to finish your humble self-portrait at home? After all, such a statue depicting yourself over more than one hundred meters will require many hands to be finished before your demise.

Lastly, I urge you to remain wary of the tremendous function called "Move", as it unfortunately happens to initiate a battle even if your two hundred dreadnoughts merely wanted to trade with the natives of this world. How often did I destroy such wonderful worlds because the planetary defences fired on my poorly protected traders! The said traders had a limited authorization to return fire in order to save themselves from the treacherous inhabitants of this world.

Nonetheless, such is the way of early contacts between civilizations in the era of space travel, the bane of all peaceful leaders who became ruthless dictators overnight because of this perfidious function!

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I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes, my nice, peace-loving fleet of dreadnoughts full of happy tourists just wanted to stop by at a planet for a friendly picnic, and whoa! the planet starts firing on us! We regretfully had to incinerate the planet surface to save ourselves from the brutal and unexpected attack!

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Pansy's. Allow me to take this moment to inform the lot of you, that at this moment, my fleets of planatiods are approaching your capitols, to incinerate the terra infirma upon which you stand. Have a nice...5 minutes.

MWUHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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It wasnt the jade falcons clan who glassed edo.
It was the smokejaguars.
Sorry.

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Dammit Narf!!!

Your Planetoids are 12 or so hours late, i had to hand in an art project today!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">really? its been a long time. That would correspond with Luis winning the Lincoln Osis blood name at a mechforce convention game, though. i guess his Falcon paint jobs had nothing to do with it.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It is a big wasting of resources to erase planets. (and is unethical too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Therefore we have found a "War Convention" in the PBW game "Solaris VII" that interdicts erasing planets. But only 5 of 20 players have ratified this honorable treaty http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Atrocities you are not alone ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ROTFLMAO Good one.