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dogscoff June 16th, 2004 04:39 PM

[OT] Short sci-fi story: The Lifeboat
 
Alternate title: The refugees. haven't decided yet.

This is just something I've been working on for the Last week or two. Not exactly a happy story, but hopefully it is at least thought-provoking. I'll be putting it up on my website presently, after a little polishing.

Feedback, as ever, more than welcome.

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The Lifeboat
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"...still refuse to speculate, although they still have not ruled out the possibility of alien spacecraft. The Hubble space telescope will be in position to take more detailled..." John switched the radio off with a satisfying click and looked back over his shoulder, examining the ruler-straight lines of his furrows with no small degree of pride. Why should he be interested in strange objects way out in space when there were far more pressing concerns much closer to home? If he wanted to get a good crop this year the seeds would have to go into the ground before the weekend, and that meant getting this field ploughed today. He felt a hard bump through his cab's suspension, and then a sound like a very brief earthquake or avalanche. He turned turned back to face front again to see a chuge cloud of earth and dust about half a mile distant. His hands dropped from the wheel, and his straight furrows were ruined just before his feet slipped off the pedals and stalled the engine. He cursed, watching as the dust was carried away by a strong breeze from the west. When it did, his mouth fell open, and his life changed forever. He climbed slowly from the cab, his eyes fixed on the sight being slowly revealed. When he realised what he was looking at he blinked, hard, and rubbed his eyes before looking again, but it was definitely still there.

And it was definitely still a spaceship.

And, apparently, it had just crash-landed right in the middle of his potato field, on the far side of the farmhouse.

He looked again, thinking that is must be something other than a spaceship, but it was a very difficult conclusion to avoid. It was big. At least four or five times the size of the farmhouse in length, if not very much taller or wider. In shape it was somewhere between a cigar and a wedge, like the offspring of some obscure liaison between a ferrari testarossa and the Hindenburg. The wider end- the end which looked most like the 'back'- was slightly raised above the ground, with the 'nose' buried quite deeply into his field. Clearly it had been a rough landing. It was plain to see why though, because there was a hole the size of a barn in the ship's rear with black smoke rising from it. Apart from the obvious damage though, the thing seemed to be unnaturally shiny and metallic. Squinting against the reflected sunlight into the monster's side, he could see the far side of his house, distorted slightly by the curve of the massive mirror now dwarfing it. John realised this could only a spaceship, but a very large part of him wanted to believe that it was something else. A building maybe, except that buildings didn't just fall out of the sky. An airship was his next thought, except that nobody made airships any more, and even if they did airships weren't made of solid metal and they weren't heavy enough to embed themselves 20 feet into solid earth.

He began walking toward it. With that surprisingly detached and lucid state of mind that often accompanies shock, he reflected that it would have been quicker to drive over there in the tractor. Somehow that just didn't seem like the right thing to do, so instead he broke into a run. It also occurred to him that maybe he ought to be running in the opposite direction, but this thing was on his land and it seemed proper that he should deal with it himself. He was too far to get anywhere useful on foot anyway, and the nearest phone was in the house, which was between him and the spaceship. It was at least a quarter of a mile back to the farmhouse and he was out of breath when he got there, finding his dogs by the door, barking frantically at the shining monstrosity with their tails between their legs. John crouched between the two animals and hugged them to his sides, rubbing their fur in reassurance, and as their agitation gradually died fear struck him for the first time.

There were dark rectangles in the spacecraft's side, and what looked like ramps extended to the ground. His heart leapt up into his throat and he felt tears in his eyes. He wrapped an arm tightly about each dog's neck as a hundred horrific B-movie scenarios rushed through his mind, and he suddenly wished he owned a gun. Perhaps they would be friendly. After all, if they were here with hostile intentions surely they would have destroyed him already. In fact, they wouldn't have bothered with him at all, and just blown up the city instead. The dogs' barking had changed to irregular whimpers now, and they both licked at his face, their confusion and fright now stemming as much from John's own reaction as from the spaceship itself. John stood up and with quivering legs and began walking towards the gate. 'It's obviously damaged.' he told himself. 'They're probably here to ask for help. Probably not a threat at all.' There was a shovel leaning on the wall, and he felt himself pick it up, clutching it in both hands and taking comfort from its weight. 'No threat at all.' He told himself.

It was the longest walk of his life. About half way between the farmhouse and the spacecraft he saw something emerge from the hatches he had observed earlier. It was still too distant for him to see clearly, and not knowing the exact size of the craft he found it hard to judge sizes, but it looked a little like a beach ball walking on chopsticks. More followed, until about a dozen of them were visible, clustering beneath the smouldering hole in their vehicle as though assessing the damage. Suddenly one of them broke away from the group and began moving toward John. Directly toward him. He panicked. He dropped the shovel onto the soil as he turned to run, but immediately tripped and fell, winding himself as he hit the earth. He clenched soil in his fists and kicked his legs to get back on his fet and flee but checked himself. He took a tight hold of his hysteria and pushed it down, and with deliberate calmness stood and turned. The creature was only ten or twenty metres away now and advancing steadily, nimbly. He stared at it with breathless fascination. This thing walking toward him was probably only half a metre tall, supported upon four thin, inflexible legs which tapered into spikes that sank a few inches into the earth with every step. These legs were distributed evenly around a flattish, circular body that made it look for all the world like a walking coffee-table, except that the top was not flat. It bulged up in the middle as though a smaller disc had been stacked centrally upon it, and another, even smaller one stacked atop that. Two more of these body sections were slung down below, hanging beneath the main body and swaying with each movement like bags of shopping. The creature's skin was a deep red, although the others seemed to range from vibrant oranges all the way down to bluey purples.

Carefully, John bent down to pick up the shovel again, but made a conscious effort not to appear too aggressive. He held it just below the handle, the blade resting lightly on the ground. The alien came within two metres- a respectful distance- and then stopped. John couldn't see eyes or anything else that might betray any kind of expression. He was still trying to think of something appropriate to say when a flat, dry voice came from some unseen feature.
"Hello."
"Hi." John mananged.
"This is where you produce food, yes?" Said the creature. Its two top body sections swivelled back and forth slightly, as though looking around, and John started slightly at such a strange opening question.
"Yes, this is a farm." There was an awkward silence. "Why, are you hungry?" He brought his free hand to his mouth to make eating gestures, despite the apparent lack of any language barrier. It was a stupid response, he thought, but then it had been a stupid question. The creature paused, and shifted its weight around on its legs as though giving this question extensive thought.
"No." It said finally. "But you have equipment and materials here for producing food. You will need them." Behind it, a series of blinding, flickering lights on the ship's rent hull demonstrated that repairs were underway.
"Need them? What for? What's going on?"
The alien settled its weight on all four limbs, and a flexible tentacle- or it could have been a tongue- emerged from the very peak of the creature and swept around the entire upper half of the body.
"Yes, I must explain. Forgive me. We think your people are aware of the fleet approaching your planet."
"The objects in space? On the radio?" John asked. The creature paused to consider again, then answered carefully. "Yes."
There was another anxious pause, as John waited for an answer. The alien spoke again just as he was about to prompt it.
"Unfortunately, they are coming to destroy you."
There was a long, dreadful silence.
"To destroy me?"
"To destroy your people. Your planet."
John was understandably speechless, so the alien continued. Its voice was still flat and expressionless, but the way it kept shifting its weight gave John the impression that it was uncomfortable with this news.
"They will attack in just a few hours. You must prepare to leave."
"Why?" He finally managed to ask. He looked up at the sky for signs of impending destruction, but saw only white clouds and sunlight.
"Because if you do not, you will be..." the creature began, but John cut him short. His fear and shock was giving way to anger now.
"No, why do they want to destroy the Earth? What did we ever do to them?" The alien gave another of its long pauses, but this time it was not a thoughtful silence, the air of discomfort was obvious.
"Because they knew that my people would try to stop them. It is a cruel strategy to divert our forces in a war that should not concern you. I am sorry."
"You're sorry? You come to me and tell me that my entire planet is going to be wiped out and you tell me you're sorry?" He was rushing with a hundred feelings and thoughts that he didn't have the words or even the emotions to express. He raised the shovel above his head and flung it in the direction of the alien. The blade sliced into the ground before the creature and remained upright, handle quivering gently.
"Sorry's no good to me. If you want to do something, you can stop being sorry, get your damned spaceship off my potatoes and shoot the bastards out of the sky." He span round and started stalking back toward the farmhouse. His words and actions didn't make much sense to him, but none of this did. This arrogant little lump drops out of the sky and without even introducing itself tells him that he's sorry but the Earth is going to be destroyed? How the hell is he supposed to respond to that?
"We tried." Came the voice, it's very lack of emotion almost heartbreaking. "We thought we could defeat them before they got here, but their numbers were greater than we anticipated. Four hundred of our best ships. Ninety thousand crew, all destroyed." John turned back to face the creature again. Behind it, smoke still poured from the spaceship's wounds behind the crude-looking patches now being lifted into place.
"My ship and twelve others were the only ones to escape. One went on to report to our other fleets and organise a counter-attack. The rest of us came straight here to do the only thing we can to save your people from extinction."
Tears streamed down John's face. He didn't want to believe it, but how could he not? The spaceship appearing from nowhere on his field, the radio reports, this thing before him that simply couldn't be anything other than a being from another world. It might be lying to him, of course, but why? What could it possibly gain? He had to believe it, and he had only a few hours to come to terms with it.
"You're here to evacuate us."
"Yes." It said.
"But that ship, it's too small. You could only get..."
"Our life support can accomodate thirty of you in this ship, at most. Some of the other ships are bigger. In total, we will be able to evacuate perhaps five hundred- if that many can be persuaded to come."
Five hundred. Five hundred people- probably less- to rebuild the human race.
"Then I should start bringing people together." Said John, numbly, and the creature sivelled its body sections around a little before replying.
"Yes, but it is also important that you gather equipment."
"Equipment?" Asked John.
"Yes. You can only eat food that is native to this world, so to survive on another planet you must bring your food with you. That is why we came to your farm, you will have what is needed to build a new farm on a new world. You must also bring all the other materials you need for survival."
John sank to his knees in the soil. "All in two hours?"
"Yes, about two or three hours." Said the creature, shifting its weight again. "Please, hurry."

"...behaviour has never been observed in asteroids before, but scientists are already countering alarmist reactions with new orbital calculations that might explain how objects might naturally adopt such close grouping and parallel courses. In other news, today's cricket..." Kenneth switched off the radio, he wasn't interested in cricket or asteroids. No doubt his son's loony girlfriend would be frothing at the mouth already, talking about aliens and spaceships. Ken himself preferred to go with the simplest explanation to any mystery, since that usually turned out to be the right one. He was still mulling this over when he heard the scrunch of gravel from outside. Whoever it was must have come down the drive dangerously fast, and Ken shuffled along behind the counter to look out of the window with narrowed eyes. It was John's old landrover. Not like John to come tearing up like that. In fact, it wasn't like anyone to come tearing up to Ken's shop like that- people just didn't tend to need farming supplies in that kind of a hurry. Besides, wasn't John supposed to be ploughing today?
The bell jangled as John stumbled into the shop and started looking around with the eyes of a hunted man. He grabbed a bag of chickenfeed and started hauling it out to the landrover.
"Af'noon John." Said Ken, with studied casualness. John looked up at him as though he'd been shot. "You was in here buying feed not Last week. Little green men come down and stole your Last bag did they?"
John simply stood and stared.
"You know, on the news. Them asteroids in space and everyone saying it must be aliens on account of them being like they're in formation."
John continued to stare.
"Just a joke, John," muttered Ken, somewhat aggrieved.
John snapped himself back together and continued hauling the feed out into the drive. He was back in the door in an instant with another jangle of the bell.
"Just put all this on account for me Ken," He said, "I'll pay you tomorrow." Ken raised an eyebrow.
"Sure thing, John. What's the hurry though? I thought you was ploughing today."
"Umm, can't really explain now Ken, don't have time. Listen, come by the Arms tonight, I'll buy you a pint and tell you all about it." This was satisfactory for Ken. He couldn't fathom it himself, but John was a sensible type and he'd have a good enough reason. Ken produced a short pencil from behind his ear and began noting down the chickenfeed John had already taken, and the hand-pump he was hauling out the door now. The bell above the door jangled for a third time upon his return.
"Listen, Ken, you got any hand-ploughs?"
"Hand-ploughs, John?" Laughed Ken. "This here's the twenty-first century." John shook his head and disappeared again through the door, this time with an armful of shovels and picks. His explanation tonight would have to be a mighty good one.

"...that the government have retreated into nuclear bunkers are being strenuously denied. Meanwhile, crowds are gathering outside..." Maggie switched off the radio. She didn't need to be distracted by things like that, not now. Not with her brother acting so strangely. Just his tone of voice had scared the life out of her, she'd never heard him sound so desperate. He'd told her to leave work immediately and then pick the kids up from school- tell the teachers anything, tell them someone died, just get them out of that school- and bring them straight over to the farm and be there, absolutely without fail, be there by half-two. She'd said he was crazy, and he'd said he knew it sounded that way but this was the most important thing he'd ever asked her to do. She just had to trust him and do as he said, just for a few hours. Just humour me until three O' clock, that's what he'd said. It was so unlike him- normally he was so calm and level-headed, but the fear in his voice... she shivered and carried on driving. It was only just gone two, and the farm was less than three miles away now.

"...haven't you heard the news? Those aren't asteroids coming, they're spaceships and they're going to destroy us. We have a chance to get out..." Helen cut him short.
"John, this is madness. Spaceships, aliens destroying the planet, you're going crazy." John was sweating, but his eyes were cool now, only the faintest edge of desperation remained in them. He had spent all his panic and nervous energy at Ken's store, what was left was either calm, dispassionate pragmatism or emotional exhaustion. Either way, had a job to do, and he had barely an hour left to do it in. He was a practical soul, and once he had decided to accept the little creature's words, he simply had to get on with it. First he had called his sisters, his parents, his wife's brother and several friends, desperately begging them to drop everything and come round with their families straight away. He'd been careful not to hint at why, because he knew that if they heard his story without first seeing the spaceship on his potato field they would dismiss him as either drunk or mad. However, it seemed as though even the proof of the alien craft was not enough to convince some people.
"Helen, look again at that bloody thing on our potato field. What is that if it's not a spaceship? And what are these," he waved at two of the nearby space-creatures, deftly carrying bags and boxes from the farm's out-buildings, "if they're not aliens?"
Their three children, just taken out of school on some truthless excuse all stood behind their mother goggling at the enormous spectacle on the field. "I don't know," she said, "Maybe it's all some kind of practical joke. Maybe for a TV show." John clutched his hair in his fists and shook his head. "Open your eyes. Look at them. Watch them move. That's not some special effect, this is real. Look, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're wrong, maybe they're lying, but our lives could be at stake. Our entire family's lives."
Helen fell into his arms and began to sob. He couldn't blame her, it was too much for anyone to take in, especially when someone else was trying to convince you. It was easier to simply call them a liar, just to avoid the massive conclusions that followed inevitably from accepting the truth so undeniably before them. John had had no such vehicle for his disbelief, but even so he had been close to outright denial.
"If I am wrong, if the world isn't going to end, then we'll know in about," he checked his watch, "an hour. But until then, just for the next hour, we should be prepared for the worst. Just in case."
Helen nodded and dabbed her nose with a tissue. "Just in case." She said, thinly, nodding more vigourously now. "OK, fine. you've already caused such a commotion I might as well play along for now, but just until three O clock. If the world doesn't end at three, you've got some explaining to do." She managed a laugh, and John smiled broadly at her, planting a kiss on her neck.
"Good." He said. "We've already got most of the equipment on board, and all the seeds, the chickens and the feed. I've got some stored food out of the barn, but you should probably raid the kitchen as well. Maggie will be here any minute and I'll have to explain everything to her. You pack up as much tinned food and warm clothes as you can and send one of the kids into the loft for the camping gear."

"...demanding to know why pictures from the space telescope still have not been released to the public. NASA officials have not yet responded, but pictures from independent ground-based telescopes are looking increasingly..." Maggie switched off the engine and got out of the car, checking her watch once more as she shouted for some help unloading. John had sent her off to get some supplies from the supermarket- tinned food and matches, basically- and she had made it back with less than five minutes to spare. The deadline of three o clock had never been officially set by the aliens, who spoke only in vague yet increasingly urgent terms, but that was the launch time everyone was working towards. two figures hurried over and Maggie realised with dread that neither of them was her husband. He still wasn't here. She had made dozens of calls and left as many Messages, but his mobile was switched off and his office couldn't track him down. She left the shopping and ran over to John to check. Maybe he was here, maybe he was helping with the loading somewhere, but John's face told her everything she needed to know. He wasn't here. She froze, and fought the urge to run back to the car and track him down, but there were only minutes left. Steph and Vince had already decided not to come, because they had received John's calls and rushed over without first picking up their daughter. There simply wasn't time to go back, pick her up and return, so they had elected to stay behind and face the end of the world as a complete family. Maggie now faced a similar choice, except that she was faced with the prospect of abandoning her husband to save her children. She broke down there and then onto the rich soil of the potato field, crying not for the choice she had to make, but for the choice her heart had already made for her.

"...are leaving Earth's atmosphere now. Would you like to see your planet?"
Nineteen human beings huddled among the meagre pile of goods they had been able to assemble in the Last two and a quarter hours. The cargo area already smelled of chickens and fertiliser. An image of Earth wavered slightly in the air before them, clouds obscuring most of western Europe and the Atlantic. The planet was receding swiftly, but a number of other craft could be seen rising from the surface. One from Russia somewhere. One from Africa. Silently, they fell into the formation, tiny and insignificant against the familiar outlines below. The alien spoke again, voice as featureless as ever.
"The attack will begin shortly. They will fire high-velocity projectiles, causing huge explosions and tidal disturbances. Many millions will die in the first strike, but most will be killed by clouds of dust that will block out sunlight for years. Without sunlight, advanced life will eventually end."
Somewhere at the eastern end of the Mediterranean- was that Turkey or Egypt? John's geography had never been much good- a silent grey bloom climbed up into the atmosphere. The Earth was smaller now, and the tiny silver convoy behind them seemed larger in comparison, much more real.
"There may be some survivors." The emotionless voice said, perhaps hoping to offer some comfort. "Some will have food stores sufficient to survive until the clouds clear, and with the technology to create artificial light, your people might be able to preserve enough fragments of the ecosystem to rebuild it."
More of the mushroom clouds were sprouting now, all over North Africa and Europe, and a few white impacts could be seen in the Atlantic. John tried to imagine the thousand-metre tidal waves now racing toward the Americas, but it all looked so slow, so peaceful, so distant. 'I'll never get to visit the Carribean after all.' He thought, and then realised he'd said it out loud. No one noticed though, they were all watching the Earth's demise, their eyes glued involuntarily to the tragedy. It was tiny now, almost too small and dim to see against the shining silver train in tow. The enemy craft were nowhere to be seen. John wondered what they looked like, these aliens to whom human life meant so little. Were they some other species, or was this war an internal struggle between different factions of the miniature creatures who had become their saviours? Earth was so small now as to appear completely featureless, just a shining blue disc. He wanted to go back. He wanted it desperately but there could only be death there, and he had a family to provide for.

The landing site was in the centre of a broad, scorched circle, littered with charred vegetation. The aliens had cleared away a few kilometres of native flora with their ships' weapons to give the introduced plants a chance to establish themselves. The site had been well chosen, slightly downhill from a freshwater lake surrounded by a tall, sickly pale green plants of some kind. The impressive display of firepower had already proved that these alien 'trees' burned well enough to keep them warm at night, but whether they would yield any kind of useful building materials remained to be seen. John brought a fistful of still-hot alien soil to his nose. There was nothing unfamiliar about the smell of it but here, on this other planet- who could say? Would his crops grow here? The alien's assertion that humans could only eat Earth food implied that nothing from this world would be able to eat the plants and animals brought from Earth, but that didn't necessarily mean something wouldn't try. Once more he was flooded with thoughts of science-fiction horrors and he struggled to think of something more positive. He felt he had a good chance of growing at least something here, but nothing could shake the certainty that the refugees would have to endure a great many hardships before ever achieving any kind of stability. They might all be starved inside of a year.

He had worked hard to pack a potential farm into the spacecraft in two hours, but he was expected to unload in just one. The alien crew was anxious to unload and rejoin their forces, apparently they were needed in some new offensive that might yet save other worlds from Earth's fate. With their help, the nineteen refugees had almost finished unloading when two more craft rushed noiselessly into view and gently touched down nearby. Each craft was subtly unique in size and dimensions, and each one bore hastily-repaired damage. Hatches and ramps appeared and emerged, and human figures began stepping cautiously out.

From the smaller of the ships three men, four women and about a dozen children emerged, all dressed in vibrant African colours. They led a pair of underweight cows and carried a few sorry looking sacks and some well-used farming tools. John estimated that he had brought enough food to sustain his own score of survivors for perhaps six or seven months on very lean rations. That was barely long enough to make the first harvest- and that assumed that he could actually yield a worthwhile crop here. The African ship seemed to have brought a lot of hungry mouths and very little to put in them. That said, if they could somehow feed the cows until the first harvest, their milk would be a valuable addition to the community's nutrition. However both animals were female so unless the third ship or the other lakeside settlement happened to have brought a bull, they would be the Last of their kind. Also, John reflected, these people probably had valuable experience to share about the kind of non-mechanical subsistence farming that they would all now rely on. Provided they could find a common language, that is.

The third ship was unloading too, and from the shouted accents this one had made contact in New Zealand. At least there would be no communications problems here, John thought, but he saw no agricultural equipment being unloaded. However every one of these arrivals carried camping gear and a full rucksack and one pair of men- brothers, by the look of them- were busily unloading some scaffolding poles and tarpaulins. They would make an excellent shelter until something more permanent could be built from local materials. Nonetheless John felt a rising sense of hopelessness at the thought of all these people eating into his meagre food stores, until he saw a hugely pregnant woman trying to push a shopping trolley full of tinned goods out onto the bumpy terrain. A second full trolley followed, and then all kinds of other items, some more useful than others: Furniture, children's toys, two mountain bikes, an antique lawnmower, a box of saws and carpentry tools, a bag of empty bottles, a box of fresh fruit, an assortment of pot plants, four rolls of lawn turf... It seemed these people had decided to simply pack everything they could lay their hands on and sort it out later, as opposed to selecting only those items which seemed obviously useful. It struck him as an eminently sensible approach. There was no harm in bringing too much, and a creative mind could turn almost anything to a practical use. The Last item to be rolled out of the Kiwi ship was a beat up old Volkswagen Camper van with a pair of surfBoards strapped to the sides. Better than a tent, John considered, and immediately wished he'd brought his tractor. There had been room on the ship, but he'd left it behind in the knowledge that it would be useless as soon as it ran out of fuel. However what little fuel it carried could have saved them days of back-breaking work in establishing the farm and dragging timber around. Once the fuel ran out, the plough could perhaps have been cannibalised into hand tools and cab would have at least provided somewhere reasonably comfortable to sleep. Still, too late now, and there was no sense in dwelling on that which had been lost.

He surveyed his new community. The Africans had already managed to get a fire started- heaven only knew what with- and their children mingled excitedly with those of the other two Groups. These three lifeboats were the entire settlement. The aliens had decided not to place all their eggs in one basket and divided the twelve shipfuls of survivors between five landing sites. This was one of the larger ones, apparently. There was to be another about 10 miles along the lake's coast, and a third large settlement over two thousand miles away on the other side of the continent. If they all survived, they would be able to find those distant neighbours, but how many generations would it be before they were ready to take on a trans-continental trek across alien territory? How much of their shared origins would those distant offspring remember? The final two settlements were destined for another planet altogether. It would be a thousand years before that lost tribe could ever be rediscovered because the aliens would never return. They had told John that all maps and records regarding these resettlements were to be wiped out, for fear that the information should fall into enemy hands and lead unfriendly forces to these fragile remainders of human civilisation. There may be other another pocket of humanity out there among the star; two, if anyone on Earth should survive the nuclear winter that was now setting in, but as far as John was concerned, this planet held the future of his species now and the weight of thousand future generations suddenly settled on his shoulders. The successes and failures of the next few years would be the foundations upon which entire civilisations might be built, and the stories they told to their grandchildren would one day be the stuff of myth and legend.

John felt slightly giddy, but he couldn't afford to consider that now. The adults were now gathering tentatively around the fire and introductions were being made. There was work to do, and John stepped forward to take his place among his people.

Atrocities June 16th, 2004 05:27 PM

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Very nice read DS http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thank you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Ruatha June 16th, 2004 06:34 PM

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This's good!

Could be an epic long story, but good enough as it is!

Ragnarok June 16th, 2004 07:35 PM

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That is a great story! Very captivating and interesting to read. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Will there be any other additions to this?

dogscoff June 16th, 2004 08:37 PM

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Quote:

Will there be any other additions to this?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not from me. It gets boring after this: Just a load of hardship, cameradery in adversity, exploration, character-building, conflict, tragedy & drama against the backdrop of the persistent human struggle against overwhelming challenges.

Not the kind of thing that good stories are made of, really.

I see it more as an excercise in "what would I do in his shoes? What stuff would I bring if that alien landed in my garden right now? How would I manage those resources on an alien world?" I think a 4X game would make a better sequel than anything I could ever write.

If anyone else wants to write a follow up though, I'd be eager to read it.

geoschmo June 16th, 2004 09:13 PM

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That's funny D, I was thinking this would be a great backstory for a new 4x or role-playing game.

sachmo June 16th, 2004 11:13 PM

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Most excellent!

TerranC June 16th, 2004 11:49 PM

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/methinks that Aaron should get Dogscoff to write up the backstory for SE5 and use some of it as advertising. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Great stuff yet again; now get back to working on OnC. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Atrocities June 17th, 2004 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
That's funny D, I was thinking this would be a great backstory for a new 4x or role-playing game.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Like wise. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

geoschmo June 17th, 2004 04:08 AM

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Graeme Dunford was no farmer. That’s not to say he couldn’t handle hard work or living off the land. In fact he was a professional outdoorsman. Together with his brother Michael he had been running a successful tour outfit in Canterbury for years. At first it had mainly been making sure the out of shape doctors and accountants from Auckland and Wellington didn’t wander off into the forest or walk off the edge of a cliff. But lately the business had gotten much busier, and much more interesting. Groups of idle rich folk making pilgrimages from Europe and America, dressing in funny costumes and talking in hushed tones about fantastic places like Edoras and Helms Deep.

When the aliens had come they gathered the two small tour Groups they had at the time, and loaded all their camping gear. Michael got his fiancée Ruth and her family out as well. They brought along as much non-perishable food as they could load on the ship before it left, a task made easier by the fact that Ruth’s father ran the local general store.

The decision had been made very early on by the small group of refuges that the long term survival of their species would require that they make contact as soon as possible with the other settlements scattered on this planet. Who knew what important bit of equipment or knowledge they might have neglected to bring with them in the few short hours they had to make their escape. And the aliens had been adamant in their refusal to leave any advanced technology behind when they left. Apparently it was some sort of cultural restriction that forbade such sharing with “primitive” species.

The other undeniable fact of biology was that in order to rebuild their civilization they were going to need to start making babies, lots and lots of babies. The interbreeding made unavoidable by such a small number of survivors would put later generations at serious risk. They needed to find the other survivors, and combine their resources, their skills, and their gene pool if they were going to remain a viable population.

Once the immediate needs of shelter and storage of the food supplies were taken care of, the farmers started the planning and planting of the crops that would mean life or death for their small band in a few months. For this task Graeme and Michael were no more then unskilled labor. It was decided at this point that the community could spare Graeme to make an attempt at reaching the near settlement. His brother stayed behind, and the oldest of the African children, 17 year old Kwami, would accompany him. The children had learned to speak French at the missionary school in their village, and it was hoped that between the two of them they could find someone in the other group they could communicate with.

Graeme and Kwami loaded their packs and set out on the mountain bikes in the general direction the aliens had indicated the second group would be. Ten miles over familiar ground, even rough terrain, could have been reached by bike in an hour or two. But the pair did not know exactly where they were going, and they traveled with extreme deliberation. Care was taken to avoid any dangerous areas, and time was taken to map out the area as they went to ensure they could find their way back.

On the third day they reached the other landing point. The group they found was two thirds the size their own settlement, but they seemed to be well equipped and were already hard at work planting their own crops. The two ships that had landed here had brought refugees from a small village in the mountains of Peru, and a group of Germans from a small town in the Ruhr valley. Though none spoke French, several of them spoke enough English that Graeme was able to share news of his settlement.

As Graeme surveyed the equipment they had brought with them, he made a pleasant discovery. One of the German refuges was a librarian named Anna Schrader. Aside from being very attractive Anna, had brought a large collection of books. Encyclopedias, literature, history, it was all here. And many of the books were in English as the library had served a decent number of American soldiers from a local army base as well as the local population. He hadn’t even realized until this moment looking at the stacks that his own settlement had not brought any except for a few odds and ends. But here was quite possibly the Last remaining written record of thousands of years of human civilization.

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 08:32 AM

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Godd stuff Geo. This story could turn into a really cool collaborative project.

sachmo June 17th, 2004 02:28 PM

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Great addition, Geo!

geoschmo June 17th, 2004 02:28 PM

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I thought it was an interesting idea you started there. Couldn't resist putting in a bit. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I am curious about one thing. Do you think the aliens warnings against eating anything not native to earth would be absolute? Seems to me that organic matter is organic matter, is it not? I'm sure there would be things that are poisinous to humans, but that's true even on earth. Perhaps someone could explore that idea a bit. Would make the prospect of a trans-continental journey within years instead of generations a bit more plausible.

primitive June 17th, 2004 02:33 PM

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Great stuff. Me want more http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 03:23 PM

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Do you think the aliens warnings against eating anything not native to earth would be absolute? Seems to me that organic matter is organic matter, is it not?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Someone stop me if my science is off here, but here's how I understand it:

Most of the things we eat are pretty complex- proteins, fats, sugars and vitamins- and they are all produced by plants or animals. For them to exist on another planet, therefore, that planet must have evolved its own plants and animals that produce those same molecules: Parallel evolution might well come up with something similar or identical to Earthly forms, but just as none of us seriously expect to find humanoid aliens with easily recognisable body parts and features, I think we're unlikely to find anything with identical or near-identical bio-chemistry.

I guess we'll never be sure until we get to another planet and find out, but I think it's likely that stuff evolved on another world would be inedible to us.

On the other hand, the bio-chemistry is almost certain to have *some* similarites: Oxygen is almost certainly going to be part of the equation, because no other element is at once stable and volatile enough to contain and then release the energies needed for life. Hydrogen is another likely contender because (A) there's bloody loads of it and (B) it comes packaged up with the oxygen in the form of water. Carbon is likely to be there as well, because not many other atoms can form themselves into such complex molecules. That gives you all the necessary ingredients for carbohydrates (edible sugars). Granted, there are probably a zillion ways those three elements could combine, but I guess it's reasonable that our survivors might find something that could be boiled down into edible carbohydrates.

Finally, there are some simple nutrients we ingest that are available in non-organic forms and therefore would be easy to find on another planet: iron, zinc, magnesium (calcium?) could probably be sourced locally- daresay you could dissolve them into drinking water, if your local friendly mountain stream hadn't already done the job for you.

Anyway, for plot purposes it's quite an interesting question. Anyone with some actual knowledge rather than my pop-science want to chip in?

geoschmo June 17th, 2004 03:46 PM

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My actual knowledge isn't any more then yours, but my best guess would cause me to be a little more optimistic. Our bodies don't really need specific types of plant and animal matter afterall. Our digestive system breaks those down into the basic nutrient blocks that our body does need. And those basic nutrients should be pretty much the same, despite being combined in radically different ways. Of course our survivors would probably need a chemist or botanist and some laboratory equipment to be able to determine what is safe to eat and what's not. Since we wouldn't have millions of years of common memory to rely on.

sachmo June 17th, 2004 03:53 PM

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But if you are desperate enough, you'll eat anything.

Day 1: "Hmmm...that purple leaf with spikes on it on this alien world doesn't look very healthy."

Day 47: "Munch. Munch. Mmmmm, purpley."

clark June 17th, 2004 04:03 PM

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Not very knowledgeable myself, but it would seem that there might be some things we could digest and process, and some things we couldn't. It really could go either way (think peanut allergies- they lack the enzymes to break down the peanuts)

I might mention about the story, which is really good, what the heck are the cows going to eat? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 04:31 PM

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Quote:

I might mention about the story, which is really good, what the heck are the cows going to eat?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Who knows... maybe nothing. John's farm is likely to have provided some vegetables and/or wheat/oats/barley type stuff. Then there was the turf brought by the Kiwis, that would be good for a bovine snack.

I think it's more likely that the people will eat the cows, unless camp two can help=-)

Mark the Merciful June 17th, 2004 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:
My actual knowledge isn't any more then yours, but my best guess would cause me to be a little more optimistic. Our bodies don't really need specific types of plant and animal matter afterall. Our digestive system breaks those down into the basic nutrient blocks that our body does need. And those basic nutrients should be pretty much the same, despite being combined in radically different ways. Of course our survivors would probably need a chemist or botanist and some laboratory equipment to be able to determine what is safe to eat and what's not. Since we wouldn't have millions of years of common memory to rely on.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Caveat: My understanding is also based on pop-science and sci-fi, but here goes...

Our digestive systems break food down by enzyme action. It's not enough that a molecule be composed of the right number of atoms of Carbon, Oxygen and Hydrogen, they also have to be the right shape for the enzyme to be able to "fit" and catalyse a reaction. For example, it's possible to make sugars whose molecules are the mirror-image of the shape of "normal" sugars, and these manufactured sugars will pass straight through the system without being digested because our sugar enzymes don't match them.

And supposing we can digest the alien plants (or animals)? Humans digest proteins by breaking them down into their component amino acids, absorbing them into the bloodstream, and then re-assembling them into the proteins we need. But we need a particular balance of IIRC eight key amino acids, in the right proportion. It's possible for example for a badly chosen vegetarian diet to contain lots of protein, but for the protein to be nutrionally useless because key amino acids are missing or in short supply.

Given how many possible combinations of protein and polysacharride (it's a long time since I've had to spell that...) there are, it's hard NOT to image a carbon-and-water based alien bio-chemical ecosystem that's like ours, but not like ours enough to be edible (or at least, nutritious when eaten...)

Mark

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 04:47 PM

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OK, Geo inspired me, although I felt like throwing some discontentment into the mix. Here goes...

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Steve grumbled as he removed the Last of the wheels from his beloved van, which was propped up on four miscellaneous items of approximately equal height. He'd rescued this van from a scrap merchant four years ago and for five months poured all his spare time and money into renovating and decorating it. He'd surfed every beach in Australia from that van, driven it around Tasmania and half way round New Zealand, only for it to come to this. He reckoned he'd covered well over a hundred thousand Ks in it- although he guessed he could add some light-years to that now. He sighed and swore as he pulled the wheel off and laid it aside, then started considering the axles. 'Why am I doing this?' He thought, but dutifully slid underneath and began reaching for the tools to remove them. he'd thrown parties out of that van, even lost his virginity in it. He sighed and grumbled again, then swore loudly as his hand slipped onto a rusty edge and a gash of red appeared along the side of his thumb. He'd have to go and ask that miserable Maggie woman for some bandages and antiseptic or something. She was only a physiotherapist, but along with a trainee pharmacist from the tour group and a few first-aiders she was the closest they had to a doctor. Maybe the other village would have someone better trained, if those two ever got back with the bikes.

Steve slid out from under the van and nursed his hand, sucking away the grease and blood. The engine compartment lay open, empty. It had been his own suggestion to use the trusty old diesel engine to haul timber from the forest at the edges of the bLast area, but he never for a minute meant to remove the engine from the van. He wished he hadn't said anything, but he just had to break the monnotony of everyone else's voices. Those campfire meetings were so boring and self-congratulatory. Steve sometimes wondered if they weren't actually enjoying this nightmare, with all the energy and zeal they put into everything. John was the worst, by far. The humble farmer and self-appointed chairman of the community had soon assumed a kind of mediative supreme authority and ruled with an air of apparent openness and acceptance. However, there was definitely an inner circle in Steve's opinion- a cliquey little enclave consisting of his own extended family, the african elder guy and the Dunfords- and it soon became clear to Steve that anything coming from outside that group was insignificant, or worthy only of consideration after a great deal of debating, debunking and redefinition by the higher-ups. Therefore his own suggestion of turning the van's engine into a winch to drag logs across the scorched ground had mutated into a plan to remove the engine from the van and mounting it to a simple frame of scaffolding poles that could be moved closer to the bLast radius, so that the winching could be done in a series of shorter, easier twenty-metre drags rather than a single drag of several hundred. The fuel remaining in the van would probably be enough to shift a few tonsof what an initial survey had found to be sturdy, heavy plant material that could be cut quite adequately with their saws. There were plans to build a few shelters, since the tents, the vans and the tarpaulin shelters were only barely adequate for their numbers. Since the aliens had incinerated anything within a kilometre or more of the camp and early, cautious explorations had come up with no worthwhile sources of masonry- which would have been just as heavy anyway, Steve supposed- that meant that his van was needed to haul timber.

When the campfire meeting had finished stripping his beloved camper of its wheels and axles to be used in the winch frame, they'd commandeering his surfBoards- nothing was sacred- for the eventual construction of a raft for reaching the other village. It had all been carried by a vote, and the fact that they were Steve's van and Steve's surfBoards simply wasn't a consideration. Now denuded completely and stripped of all dignity- even the custom paint job was gradually disappearing beneath a layer of white ash kicked up frm the surrounding soil- all that was left was to lower the van's bare shell down into its final resting position to serve as maternity ward and post-natal nest for Ruth, who was due to drop any day now.

Ruth was one of the few people here Steve actually liked, although she reminded him painfully of an ex-girlfriend back in Melbourne, either dead by now or waiting for her time to starve under a thick, lightless sky. He choked up just thinking about it- imagining his friends and family looting supermarkets to survive just a few weeks longer, rioting for food- but gulped back the tears. It was fine for John and the Dunfords, they had all managed to bring people they loved. They could sit at the head of the group feeling smug and superior, but Steve had been travelling alone, and he was here alone. Maybe when they got news from the other village, he could be the next to visit. Maybe things were different there. Standing now, he kicked the tyre lying prone upon the floor and made his way over to find Maggie.

**********************

Who's next then? Come on ppl...

geoschmo June 17th, 2004 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mark the Merciful:
Given how many possible combinations of protein and polysacharride (it's a long time since I've had to spell that...) there are, it's hard NOT to image a carbon-and-water based alien bio-chemical ecosystem that's like ours, but not like ours enough to be edible (or at least, nutritious when eaten...)

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ok, well what I was thinking was that here on earth there are lots of different combinations and we can still eat a lot of them. Of course in the wild maybe that's not so true. The closest I get to vegitation normally is the produce section of my supermarket, and almost everything there is edible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Not to mention that we humans have been shaping our landscape for millenia, so even the "wild" plants and animals have been affected in ways that maybe we can't even know.

I still think it reasonable that some edible plant material could be found. Sure not everything would be, but not everything here is either. But the large number of different species present in your typical ecosystem would allow for some to be useable as food just from basic probability.

Geoschmo

P.S. Dogscoff, check your PM?

sachmo June 17th, 2004 04:50 PM

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The was some grass from New Zealand.

Intimidator June 17th, 2004 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by clark:
Not very knowledgeable myself, but it would seem that there might be some things we could digest and process, and some things we couldn't. It really could go either way (think peanut allergies- they lack the enzymes to break down the peanuts)

I might mention about the story, which is really good, what the heck are the cows going to eat? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because there is no bull present, I think they are the food Not let them eat your food eat them !!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

sachmo June 17th, 2004 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Intimidator:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by clark:
Not very knowledgeable myself, but it would seem that there might be some things we could digest and process, and some things we couldn't. It really could go either way (think peanut allergies- they lack the enzymes to break down the peanuts)

I might mention about the story, which is really good, what the heck are the cows going to eat? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because there is no bull present, I think they are the food Not let them eat your food eat them !!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not yet, anyway. Someone else could have a bull.

clark June 17th, 2004 05:41 PM

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Where there is a bull, there is usually bullsh... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Baron Munchausen June 17th, 2004 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by dogscoff:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">
Do you think the aliens warnings against eating anything not native to earth would be absolute? Seems to me that organic matter is organic matter, is it not?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Someone stop me if my science is off here, but here's how I understand it:

Most of the things we eat are pretty complex- proteins, fats, sugars and vitamins- and they are all produced by plants or animals. For them to exist on another planet, therefore, that planet must have evolved its own plants and animals that produce those same molecules: Parallel evolution might well come up with something similar or identical to Earthly forms, but just as none of us seriously expect to find humanoid aliens with easily recognisable body parts and features, I think we're unlikely to find anything with identical or near-identical bio-chemistry.

I guess we'll never be sure until we get to another planet and find out, but I think it's likely that stuff evolved on another world would be inedible to us.

On the other hand, the bio-chemistry is almost certain to have *some* similarites: Oxygen is almost certainly going to be part of the equation, because no other element is at once stable and volatile enough to contain and then release the energies needed for life. Hydrogen is another likely contender because (A) there's bloody loads of it and (B) it comes packaged up with the oxygen in the form of water. Carbon is likely to be there as well, because not many other atoms can form themselves into such complex molecules. That gives you all the necessary ingredients for carbohydrates (edible sugars). Granted, there are probably a zillion ways those three elements could combine, but I guess it's reasonable that our survivors might find something that could be boiled down into edible carbohydrates.

Finally, there are some simple nutrients we ingest that are available in non-organic forms and therefore would be easy to find on another planet: iron, zinc, magnesium (calcium?) could probably be sourced locally- daresay you could dissolve them into drinking water, if your local friendly mountain stream hadn't already done the job for you.

Anyway, for plot purposes it's quite an interesting question. Anyone with some actual knowledge rather than my pop-science want to chip in?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No 'professional' expertise here, but from what I know you are on the right track. Though the basic elements involved are simple, there are a gazillion possible different proteins that can be formed from those very simple elements. Our digestive systems are designed to break down certain types of fats and proteins and there are quite a few things even right here on earth that we cannot digest. It takes another specific protein, an enzyme, to break down a given protein into a simple usable form. If your system cannot make the right protein, no digestion is going to happen. There is no known reason that life on another planet would even use the same amino acids (simplest proteins) let alone compatible finished proteins. Maybe 'food' from an alien eco-system wouldn't automatically kill you, but it would almost certainly not provide any nutrition beyond a few basic minerals as already noted. Then again, some of the most deadly poisons known are also proteins made by exotic plants and animals right here on earth.

What I find more interesting is how would our immune system handle microbes from another planet? Bacteria and fungi are much more 'flexible' than more complex organisms in what they can digest, and humans might just be 'compatible' enough to be digestable by the local microflora. If your immune system cannot combat or doesn't even recognize the invaders, you might start to break down like a corpse while still alive. And then of course, we have the reverse question... would the earth-life bring some disease that this alien eco-system could not cope with and wipe it out?

Next we have to worry about 'macro' problems like gravity, adapting to the new climate, the day/night cycle (it might be 8 hours or 80 hours... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ), and whether the sunlight is compatible with the earth plants. Not enough light in the right wavelengths, little or no plant growth. Too much ultraviolet - damaged plants and lots of skin cancer in humans. And not only days and nights, but how long are the 'seasons'? Might be a few months like earth, or might be a few years. How do you stock up food for a years-long 'winter' with plants evolved for only a few months per season?

You can presume that these 'nice' aliens would have found a world fairly close to earth in major characteristics but they cannot have had time to think of all of the details like light wavelengths.

geoschmo June 17th, 2004 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by Baron Munchausen:
You can presume that these 'nice' aliens would have found a world fairly close to earth in major characteristics but they cannot have had time to think of all of the details like light wavelengths.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">True, for this to work I think we'd have to make the basic assumption that earth type worlds are fairly common. Plentiful enough that the aliens could find one suitable for us in their planetary database that is far enough off the beaten track that the refugees weren't likely to be discovered in a short time.

Of course, since this is a story our assumption doesn't have to be likely for it to be realistic. It only has to be plausible. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Intimidator June 17th, 2004 06:19 PM

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And the next major problem is gene/DNA diversity.

Because john's group excist of only 50 to 60 people (if I read it correctly) that is far to less for having an descent genepool to survive more then 4 or 5 generations before you start to get inbreeding.

I read somewhere (a long time ago) that you need at least 300 people to prevent the problem of inbreeding but I'm not an bioligist so if someone can fill me in please do so..........

clark June 17th, 2004 06:38 PM

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Inbreeding (not that I am advocating it) is not a problem in and of itself, it only increases the chances of negative double recceive gene expressing itself. You end up with higher instances of defects because there is less diversity by which to recombine into stronger forms.

Intimidator June 17th, 2004 07:11 PM

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Yes indeed, but that would be a major problem if you are trying to let the human race survive with only 200 people (the 2 Groups together)

Maybe if they start with an accurate genealogical tree from day one, it might be possible but only just (made some fictive trees myself regarding this story)


Intimidator

BTW. isn't it so that there will be a higher chance on down-syndrome when inbreeding..!!!

geoschmo June 17th, 2004 07:31 PM

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I think what clark is trying to say is that while inbreeding will raise the risk of some birth defects, it won't neccesarily cause problems with the population as a whole. With the lower level of medical care available to the survivors those born with them will likely die without reproducing. In fact the mortality rate as a percentage of population will likely be higher then normal just due to disease and accidents because of this. It's a cold brutal math when you think of it from our modern perspective.

Gandalf Parker June 17th, 2004 07:52 PM

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I remember one story where the relocated population was too small to provide a stable base. The result was basically a return to a pre-caveman state then working their way forward again into a stable diverse genetic base.

I watch the science channel alot and I see where they tracked down a single group of men entering europe and then a volcano split them into the tribes which developed racial differences (Racial Eve). So I guess its possible that a very low number can work their way back out of the problems without dying off.

[ June 17, 2004, 18:53: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 10:08 PM

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When I wrote the first part I had genetic diverstiy in mind. FOr some reason I had 30 in my head as the "magic number" but Intimidator's 300 sounds more sensible. Of course the diversity within the Groups would be a factor affecting that number- had the entire settlement been related to start with, you'd definitely have a problem, but as it is we have three significant family Groups (although plenty of in-laws and yong cousins in there adding flavour to the mix) and a fair few unrelated stragglers, and then there's also the other settlement across the way. That should be enough for a few generations at least, and by then you might be able to start looking to the third group across the continent (forgotten about them, hadn't you?)

As for the total number in the settlement- we know there are 19 in John's group, about the same in the african Groups and the kiwis are as yet uncounted, but so far we've named or described at least half a dozen of them. Personally I'm inclined to imagine theirs as the largest group, maybe up near the thirty mark or even more.

Ther next question is, is 60-70 ppl too large a group for such a primitive, hand-to-mouth economy? Would it be better from a social and agricultural perspective to split it into two or three closely-linked but discrete settlements? I'm personally of the opinion that without a really cohesive society and mindset, (which is unlikely in such a random collection of ppl, despite their shared adversities) a group that size would splinter naturally.

clark June 17th, 2004 10:16 PM

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I think I remember (???) that even if a small population of humans survived a major catastrophe (i think like 10 people) that 80-90% of the genetic diversity can still be maintained.

We still mutate, and a smaller breeding population has occured many, many times throughout humanities history (due to availability of different tribes within transportation means). That's how you end up with the different developments between some of the races. Mutation sticks, and gets passed around/down like a STD.

Situation like this though (if we applied what we know about modern day genetic diversity) would mean that each woman should have a child by each man. At least half-siblings mating is better than full-blood.

Just sayin. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Intimidator June 17th, 2004 10:33 PM

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DS: No I didn't forget the other group, but didn't include them, because of lack of info on that group.

- Size of the 3th group
- Location of the group (2000 miles on the other side of the continent, is an very large searching sector)
- What did they bring from Earth (are they able to survive and thus is it worth the search)

So I think that the 2 Groups aren't going to search the 3th group at all, at least not in a few hundred years (probably more)

Inti,

TerranC June 17th, 2004 11:26 PM

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Here's an article which everybody reading this story might find interesting: BBC News - When Humans Faced Extinction (Link)

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 11:59 PM

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Very interesting link TC. Kind of makes you wonder, what did all that genetic diversty look like before the near-extinction. Or to put it differently, what would humans look like now if all those lost genes had survived into the present? Would there be whole new ethnic Groups? Blue skin and purple hair? Cow-print colouring with elephant ears? Who can say for sure?

I rememebr a while back they found some 5-thousand year old preserved corpse in a glacier of a peat-bog or something and found that (somehow) it had viable sperm. Maybe this is all urban myth but apparently hundreds of womed were queueing up to get impregnated by this fossil, and the scientists refused them all on ethical grounds. Quite rightly so, I might add- imagine going through school with that stigma hanging over your head "Hey Cave-boy, where's your Daddy?" Not to mention the Scott Evil complex- "I wish I'd never been artificially created in a lab."
However it would be incredibly interesting to see the results. The temptation on those scientists- the curiosity must have been quite something to resist.

[ June 17, 2004, 23:06: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

dogscoff June 17th, 2004 11:59 PM

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oops, double post

[ June 17, 2004, 23:00: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Taz-in-Space June 18th, 2004 04:38 AM

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Ther next question is, is 60-70 ppl too large a group for such a primitive, hand-to-mouth economy?
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">As a single constantly-together group?
Probably, however not all primative societys were grouped that way.
I remember reading about a nomadic society that had small 'tribes' that met other tribes once a year. At this mass meeting, the leaders of the tribes would collectively decide issues between the tribes.
With this system several hundred people could theorically be supported.

Baron Munchausen June 18th, 2004 04:51 AM

Re: [OT] Short sci-fi story: The Lifeboat
 
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Originally posted by dogscoff:
Very interesting link TC. Kind of makes you wonder, what did all that genetic diversty look like before the near-extinction. Or to put it differently, what would humans look like now if all those lost genes had survived into the present? Would there be whole new ethnic Groups? Blue skin and purple hair? Cow-print colouring with elephant ears? Who can say for sure?

I rememebr a while back they found some 5-thousand year old preserved corpse in a glacier of a peat-bog or something and found that (somehow) it had viable sperm. Maybe this is all urban myth but apparently hundreds of womed were queueing up to get impregnated by this fossil, and the scientists refused them all on ethical grounds. Quite rightly so, I might add- imagine going through school with that stigma hanging over your head "Hey Cave-boy, where's your Daddy?" Not to mention the Scott Evil complex- "I wish I'd never been artificially created in a lab."
However it would be incredibly interesting to see the results. The temptation on those scientists- the curiosity must have been quite something to resist.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Gack! You are actually reading those tabloid magazines in the supermarket or something? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif There are all sorts of crazy 'urban legends' about Oetzi the iceman, found in the Alps between Austria and Italy. You can easily find out the truth by Googling on 'Oetzi':

http://www.crystalinks.com/oetzi.html

BTW, genetic testing shows that Oetzi is in fact related to the current inhabitants of the area.

dogscoff June 18th, 2004 10:18 AM

Re: [OT] Short sci-fi story: The Lifeboat
 
Yeah OK, I guess that was kind of far-fetched. Not as crazy as you might think though, considering some of the stuff scientists get up to. I remember seeing a documentary about a crazy japanese guy who launched all these expiditions because he was determined to find a glacierized mammoth and jurassic-park the species right back into existence by breeding mammophants of increasingly pure mammoth extraction. Nutter... although seeing a real live mammoth would be cool. (Unfortunately, I woulnd't get to, because with elephant/ mammoth gestation times he was looking at almost a hundred years to get a pure mammoth.)

[ June 18, 2004, 09:26: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

dogscoff January 18th, 2005 02:39 PM

Re: [OT] Short sci-fi story: The Lifeboat
 
Desperate attmpt to resurrect this story. Remember anyone can join in and write something.

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It was decided by vote that the Last apple should go to Kodwo. Not because of the patriarchal status his advanced age gave him among the people with whom he had arrived, or even because of the wisdom and agricultural knowledge that had proved invaluable to the greater community since his arrival, but because he was ill, and he could probably use the vitamins. He would accept little else in the way of medicine- not that there was much to offer- and he insisted on attending the nightly meetings by the fire, despite his shivers, sweats and coughing. It was only a cold, and Kodwo was only sixty-two years old, but his years weighed far more heavily upon him than they did on some of the western refugees of similar age.

The Groups looked on reverently as Kodwo ate the piece of fruit- itself almost as wrinkled as he- until only the seeds remained. These he kept carefully. Even if they or any of the others planted over the Last month or so should grow into mature trees, it would be years before they yielded fruit, and everyone was aware of that fact as they watched Kodwo wipe his mouth in satisfaction and tug his blanket tighter around himself, shuffling closer to the fire with a long, rattling cough. The vast majority of human infections had been left behind on Earth, but a few had been carried onto the new world, and they had all spread quickly throughout the colony's limited population. The coughs and colds had barely slowed most people, but some had been more vulnerable than others. Surprisingly, one of the most problematic illnesses had proved to be one of the most benign. Within a fortnight of arrival, at least half the Groups were exhibitting symptoms of athlete's foot. Outraged, and at the peak of forced nicotine withdrawal, Maggie had demanded to know who had brought it from Earth, and why they hadn't shown a little consideration by trying to prevent the spread of the condition. No-one admitted it, and Maggie had rounded on Steve, who she disliked anyway. According to her, he was the only person in the group inconsiderate enough to do something like that, and the affair had escalated quickly into a shouting match before Ruth had stepped in, defused the situation and arbritrated some frosty apologies.

"Tomorrow, my grandson Kwame will go on the bicycle and plant these apple seeds on the south west border of the forest," said Kodwo, extending his fist to the adolescent, then unfurling his fingers to let the apple seeds drop into Kwami's outstrecthed palm.
"Why should we plant them right on the border?" Asked Graeme. "We have plenty of space nearer the camp, I think we should plant them with the other fruit trees to the north of the parsnip field."
"It will be the beginning of a road." Said Kodwo, definitively. He pointed a bony finger to three metal poles sticking upright out of the ground. "The space people told us where to find the third village. We must begin to build a road."
The only things of their own the aliens had left behind when they left were the metal rods the old man had indicated. The shortest one was the "centre" pole. According to the aliens, if you drew a straight line from the centre pole to the second tallest, and then extended it by about ten miles, you would reach the other lakeside settlement. Graeme and Kwami had proved this correct a month earlier on the mountain bikes. A line from the centre pole to the tallest pole, which pointed roughly south west, would, apparently, lead directly to the settlement two or three thousand miles away on the far side of the continent. Most of the refugees had complained bitterly about the imprecision of this instrument, given the technologies available to their space-faring saviours. Kodwo, however, rarely complained about anything.
"We must contact our fellows to the South West, just as we contacted the village on the lake. It is a long way away, so we must build a road."
"Kodwo," began John, "I agree that it would be nice to find the others, but we have too many other ways to spend our time and energy. The village to the South West is thousands of miles away. It's too far to walk or to cycle, even on a road, especially without any sources of food between here and there. "
"I have considered this." Replied Kodwo, almost immediately. "We will line the road with trees, so that travellers upon it will not go hungry."
"And what if we misjudge the line?" Asked Graeme, reasonably. "Even if we grow your trees, which would take years, and then build your road, which will take even longer, we can't possibly carry a dead stright line over those distances. Even a few degrees of error at this end could put us tens or hundreds of miles off course at the other."
Kodwo, however, was adamant.
"The space people will have left poles for the other village. They will be building a road of their own, and we must meet them half-way. If the line is not straight, we will find them anyway by the smoke of their fires. If this takes many years to do, then we must start as soon as we can. Tomorrow, Kwami will plant these seeds in the direction of the line. The apple was given to me, and the seeds are part of the apple." And that was an end to it.

The following morning, using more sticks carefully lined up with the first two, they extended the south-west line and determined the exact direction of the road. Following this line to the border of the great scorched circle that surrounded the camp. The entire community went there, and between them they soon cleared the native plants in the appropriate place, laying two great trunks in two parallel lines that would mark the boundaries of the three-metre wide road. Alongside the logs, Kwame planted six apple seeds, three on each side of the road, and lovingly poured some water on them. Finally he bowed his head and wept, for beneath the first of the six seeds lay the body of his grandfather Kodwo, who had died in his sleep overnight.


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