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I gotta say I'm disapointed with the series. I was really excited with the concept and the cast. But the constant time travel is just too much. Trek has always had a sprinkling of time travel, but it's like in every episode of Enterprise. At least every one I've seen. I must admit I missed more then a few.

The other day my wife put into words the nagging thing about it that bugged me. I couldn't quite grasp it till she said it. The show is Quontum Leap in disguise. I loved Quontum Leap, and Bakula, but I was hoping for something more original with Enterprise. Maybe the Trek franchise really is worn out afterall.

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I have to admit that it isn't the best of Star Trek ever, but I'm still interested every week for now (Season 3 just started here in Holland)

Inti,

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I like the actors, but I hate the ship and the concept.

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I also agree. I dont know how they are going to make it all work. It seems like every show has something I point at and say "if they knew this back then how come it was such a surprise in (whatever other Star Trek applies)"

All I can figure is that maybe, at the end of it all, they will change something which will make everything go away as if it never happened.

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I heard that when Brannon Bragga, one of the producers, originally pitched the enterprise concept he also pitched another sci-fi show, one about a temporal cold war. Enterprise got picked up while the other did not. Apparently he just decided to merge the two.

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was i the only one banging my head against a wall after the Last scene of the Last episode?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Episodes aren't always on in order in every place. Which episode and scene are you talking about? (Although I have felt like banging my head on several occasions, so chances are you aren't alone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

[ July 16, 2004, 19:41: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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Well, I'm not the most devout Trekkie out there, for sure, but I watched every spinoff they made. Of them, I confess I quit watching DS9 before it ended (can't remember the reason). I quit watching Voyager (because it became too stupid that a long-range explorer would never need repair and even engaged in small battles...plus I would rather have seen Ms. Bujold (spelling?) in the lead). Then I gave Enterprise a shot. Passed it by (due to boredom) in favor of Firefly (a much better series, IMO). But I know what you mean about all the time travel. Never really liked Q in any episode, either.

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I'd probably lose whatever geek credentials I have left for admitting this, but I love the new Enterprise series. =) Yes the ending of the finale of season 3 is hilarious and you should really turn it off once you get to the end where they're hailing StarFleet, up to that point it's one of the best damn sci-fi episodes of any series, ever. But if you want to continue on, you get to see, OMG EVIL ALIEN NAZIS!!! *giggle* =)

But what's not to like about the series? Freaky time travel headaches, at least 2 species they don't learn the names of (Borg and Ferrengi) and even an mpreg episode! (In season 1 no less! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif =)

Seriously, I do love it. =) Just remember it's as much fiction as science, and like all other Star Trek series, takes place in a universe with slightly different physical laws and rules (caused by subspace) Enjoy it for the story it tells.

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It's been hit and miss with me - mostly because of the constant time travel element Geo mentioned. I was hoping for of the exploration element showing early contact with some of our favorite races and the beginnings of the Federation etc.

Most of the actors are fine and I do like the Enterprise NX-01, it's not a bad looking ship but has taking a lot of flak for looking "too modern". That's more of a result of the 60's look of the original series in which this series is suppose to be a prequel.

Anyways, I think once this series wraps up then time for a trek break.

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Yeah I love it too, wouldn't miss an episode. But in the back of my mind all this time travel stuff is getting messy. So messy that I agree with Gandalf that the only way to end it is with some big event that will set everything back to normal like it was Dallas episode. The promises I remember about the Enterpise series was that it was going to be kinda dark and edgy. If edgy means only using the scary transporter once in a while than by god they gotta try better...maybe more space lesbians! Anyway the season ends with the Captain being held by Nazis? I wonder if he'll hook up with Bob Crane and Richard Dawson in Stalag 13? Let the heeelarious madcap adventures begin!

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I was able to watch season 1, and I thought it was pretty good. But I did miss the episode with the captain's mess attendant being from the future. And with my son getting older and not going to bed at 8:00 every night like during the first season, I've missed more episodes than watched. I think the only show on the 3rd season I watched fully was the one where the crew find that western world. I haven't bought any of the other series dvd's due to the price, but when Enterprise does come out on dvd, I'm definitely going to have to get it. I'm so lost now, I don't know even know what kind of threat that the crew were trying to prevent from most of the parts of the episdoes I did see from season 3.

As far as time travel, I've always been a sucker for a time travel story, so I don't mind too much. But like someone mentioned below, not every freaking episode!

When the show first started, I thought that the technology the new Enterprise had surpassed the one from the original show. Everything looks like it's in far better shape than the 1701. I know that there's a 40 year difference in special effects technology between the 2 shows, but a lot of the stuff on the NX-1 (?) seems too advanced from what Kirk had on his ship. About the only things I've seen that's different is that the doors don't automatically open and there's no univeral translating device. Which I find refreshing, seeing the Asian girl trying to figure out what the other guy is saying.

[ July 16, 2004, 21:31: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

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It does look pretty primitive compared to TNG, the ship has the whole "9 million buttons" syndrome going on and is obviously more cramped and with less ameneties than even the "original" Enterprise from TOS. I think that's probably the best they could hope for without having a totally bland set design. No shields and minimal transporter use do give a good impression that they're working with more primitive technology.

They seem to be going for a more active storytelling style so there are less 'fluff' episodes with nothing at all going on. A good first-contact episode is Cogenitor, but even that goes unexpectedly. (good story, bad turn of events) I get the impression they're leaving a lot of the gaps to the audience to fill in on their own, the more peaceful and less eventful stories that would have been TNG episodes are left in the background and referenced instead.

The time travel is hardly every episode, but it does show up 2-3 times a season, and more during the Xindi arc (season 3).. from what I've heard, season 4 will be a bunch of smaller, ~3 episode story arcs starting with the wrap-up of the Xindi arc. But the overall theme of the series has been it being a front in the temporal cold war so there are plenty of references to it and it's something they seem to want you to keep in mind.


You could always go read the five-minute reviews if you need a laugh. =)

Captain's Starlog: The Vulcan ship isn't responding, so we have no choice but to go tell the knock-knock joke in person.

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What I hate most about the series is its inconsistancy.

In TOS they clearly said that the Romulan Human conflict was fought with primitive ships, IE limited Warp drive of 1, and neuclear weapons. The Romulans did not have a practical invisiblity screen until TOS and as we all know, Balance Of Terror, clearly pointed out its flaws. It could be tracked by motion.

What would have worked best is if they had already had the Romulan conflict and THAT is why they formed Star Fleet.

The Klingon things also bite my arse. Here they have a good platform for explaining the differance from TOS Klingons, as confirmed in DS9 Episode Trials and Tribulations, and they have done nothing.

I would love to see the "evelolution" of star ship design in this show as well. Also they did not have photon torpedos until they were invented shortly before TOS era.

Deep breath. This can all be explained away by time travel and other things as well.

Time travel, in the end, Archer is given the option of preventing his hole mission from starting by ending the war before it ever began and thus the incident where the Klingon that came to Earth and started his mission, never happened.

The Romulan thing can be explained away if they do not do the time travel redemption thing, by saying it was classified do to fear that that people would begin discriminating against Vulcans.

The whole klingon thing can be explained simply as an espionage project. Klingons were altered to look like humans in order to undermine the foundation of UFP. Get neutral and newly discovered planets to fear humans, and they would welcome the Klingons, the real Klingons.

Again, I dispise the ship, AKiraPrise just looks horrible. I do love the cast and have enjoyed many of the stories and such and do want the series to continue, but I have missed over half of the episodes this year, and really have no desire to watch new ones. The whole thing is just done to death.

I want to see more of what Schamo has written for ROTRS intergrated into Enterprise. After all the two stories are very simular, both planets are beginning to explore space and are learning harsh lessons. The thing is, Sachmo has nailed it, while the writers of Enterprise have only partially nailed it.

Sachmo, GO TO HOLLYWOOD and pitch some episode ideas!. Make Enterprise interesting again.

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What really got me was when Braga said that they chose to create a new alien race to menace earth, the Xindi, for season three because no one wanted to see any more of the romulans.

Personally, I think the Romulans should be the focus of the Enterprise series.

The original series had Klingons, TNG had the borg, DS9 had the dominion, Voyager had male crew members, and Enterprise should have had the romulans, but instead we get villians of the season style episodes.

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You are right,

What I realy hoped to see was the 'Birth of the Federation' http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
And see how the war against the Klingons and Romulans started (all the politics involved etc.....)

Inti,

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And now the news is Brent Spiner will have a guest appearance as the Great-Grandfather of Dr. Soong, the creator of Data.

I guess thank goodness for small favors, at least it won't be Data in another time-warp story. I could see them discovering the severed head of Data in that cave near San Fransico, having him for an epsiode or two, and then putting him back where they found him so Starfleet archeologists could discover him once again in the 24th century. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

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For all the Star Trek we hold dear, let us hope they never read that Last message!

[ July 19, 2004, 19:48: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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You know they'll do it sooner or later.

I know they were also trying to get Shatner and some of the original series cast to come on and visit.

Personally, I'd like to see something on Enterprise no one else has seen... Braga getting fired on the show. I want to see the cast pick him up, shove him into a torpedo tube and fire him at the nearest fanboy delight. I have no beef with berman since he's only there to make money. Braga is the sick fan boy with wet dreams of spandex.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Bill Shatner has also signed on to do a guest star cameo as James T. Kirks father, the inventor of the Photon Torpedo. Of course this is all rumor.

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I say they hire Sachmo, Dogscoff, and a few other writers from here, including myself, as the new writing staff for Season four. They fire Braga, or at least demote the little (Reported) back stabbing, (Rumored) snivilling idea theaving, (confirmed)snobbish yuppy SOB, and make someone who cares like Ira Steven Burr the Executive Produce.

OF course the new writing staff would have more say, by contract, and thus more of the stories would be original and not rehashed episodes of older shows.

I like the cast, but we should have a new cast member, one that is accidently shoved into a torpedo tube and shoot out into space. Hey Brandon can guest star for that episode.

Seriously, Brandon has a lot of great ideas for the show, but he wants it to be uniquely his. They have gold mine here, but like with Voyager, they are just dropping the ball with the writing. However many of the episodes in season there were outstanding and original, the over all feel of the show has slowly dwindled down to, and I quote: "Man this Sh*t is borning."

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Brent Spiner may be appearing as a guest star on Enterprise. He'll be playing a mad scientist type Dr. Soong - which is suppose to be an ancestor of the later Dr. Soong would creates Data. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Might be interesting.

Edit:

Ok. Perhaps I'll read ALL the Posts next time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

[ July 20, 2004, 23:36: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]

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I really like the "enterprise" series a lot, but the storyline could be a lot better.
I think it is done to achieve more mass-appeal, have a lot things happen in one episode, but with less development of story and character. It fits the american way of how a movie should be better than how star trek was in the past.

[ July 20, 2004, 12:15: Message edited by: freduk ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought Kirk's dad invented the double-fist strike.

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I thought Kirk's dad was a farmer. Didn't JTK grow up on a farm in Iowa?

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What would be cool is if the Enterprise series is actually taking place in the mirror universe. It would be cool to see a evil earth/vulcan alliance take over the universe.....hahahha

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yup. Cool concept, you should send in a story line, I am sure if your agent is good, you can sell it to them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

That would be an interesting episode to say the least.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't they have to have the romulan war before they get photon torpedos?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">From what I can remember, Shatner's dad was named Samuel, same as his brother's name. Sam Kirk the elder was the chief security officer of Robert April's NCC-1701 (April was the captain of the Enterprise before Pike). I don't know if Kirk's farm was a working farm, or in the 23rd century they had automated planters and harvesters so a man can travel in space and still keep a farm. If Shatner does appear as a Kirk ancestor, it would have to be a great, great grandfather or something like that.

[ July 21, 2004, 21:19: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

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Kirks farm was run by his uncles. Hell who the hell knows. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

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I miss Star Trek (The Original Series.) It was so inovatively pure with a strong military feel that all the other series have somehow lost.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I miss the first 2 seasons, at least. The 3rd season Rodenberry gave up control so that it could be aired, and thus suffered in content. Probably the main reason the show was canceled. Also, I missed the females in their mini-skirt outfits. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ July 23, 2004, 19:27: Message edited by: gregebowman ]

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My thoughts on 'Enterprise'..

ST: ToS
was, is and always will be the best

ST: TnG
Had some good stuff, all in all not a bad series

ST: DS9
Like TnG it had some good stuff, but I was not fond of the ST series loosing the "Boldly go where no man has gone before." aspect.

ST: Voyager
A nice twist on the ST theme,.. "To Boldly go home." I liked this series almost as much as the original.

ST: Enterprise
Is a piece of bantha poodoo. From the first show it went downhill, and it pretty much started at the bottom,(imho) so it's amazing it didn't get better. First BIG mistake, changing the main theme music/song. (what's up with that?) Second mistake, I couldn't wrap my mind around the crapy cast and acting. The only saving grace is T'pal. The actress made for a very convincing Vulcan. (Spock would be proud) Nuf said,..

Well, maybe not enough,.. I'd like to see a 'faithfull' remake of the original series and have it continue it's 5 year mission to 'explore new worlds'. I think that returning to the series 'roots' is the only thing that will save the franchise. Otherwise it will eventually fade as we old coots live long and prosper. (and our memories fade)

That's my thoughts in a nutshell, feel free to disagree, but if you plan to bash me, please use rubber hammers and shovels. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Cheers! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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T'pal? To emotional for a vulcan. I havn't watched much of the series, though.

[ July 24, 2004, 04:31: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Dave, I like T'pal too, but she's about a foot too short to be a Vulcan. Maybe I'm wrong, but I was of the opinion that all Vulcans were pretty tall, at least 6 feet. Jolene Blaylock is probably all of 5'2", and looks like a midget when you have her stand to any of the male Vulcans they cast. Other than that, from what I've seen of her acting, she's dead on as far as acting like a Vulcan living with humans and trying, sometimes not successfully, not to act like them.

As far as DS9, I was going to write off the whole show as Hotel in Space, until I started watching it. The drama with the characters kept me watching it. Then they finally got the roundabouts and the Defiant, which helped with the mobility the show was lacking. I've missed a few episodes, so I still don't know how the mirror universe saga started. And I missed a few episodes on the start of the Dominion War. But overall, I liked this better than Voyager. Too bad I can't afford to buy all of the dvd sets at this point in time.

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ST: ToS
was, is and always will be the best (AGREED)

ST: TnG
Had some good stuff, all in all not a bad series (AGREED)

ST: DS9
Like TnG it had some good stuff, but I was not fond of the ST series loosing the "Boldly go where no man has gone before." aspect. (GREAT SHOW, BORNING AT TIMES)

ST: Voyager
A nice twist on the ST theme,.. "To Boldly go home." I liked this series almost as much as the original. (UTTER BANTHA POODOO - NO CONTINUITY AT ALL. TO MANY HOLES OT MENTION.)

ST: Enterprise
Is a piece of bantha poodoo. From the first show it went downhill, and it pretty much started at the bottom,(imho) so it's amazing it didn't get better. First BIG mistake, changing the main theme music/song. (what's up with that?) Second mistake, I couldn't wrap my mind around the crapy cast and acting. The only saving grace is T'pal. The actress made for a very convincing Vulcan. (Spock would be proud) Nuf said,.. (THE SERIES IS OK, THE STUFF THAT HURTS IT ARE THE AKIRAPRIZE, BRANDON BRAGA, TEMPERAL COLD WAR, THE ROMULANS, NO CONTINUITY TO TOS, AND REHASED WRITING.)

[ July 29, 2004, 23:02: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">ST: Voyager, the ship design stunk.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Continuity to TOS...well to be honest, it's impossible. Does anyone else remember TOS episode where the Enterprise was hijacked by aliens, and taken towards another galaxy?? And the ship ended up doing like, warp 14 or 16 or something? Now, ever since TOS, there's been the arbitrary limit of warp 9.99 for a top speed (at least, up until Voyager, which of course had an episode where they broke that barrier, and travelled warp 10...but got some very odd side effects http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ) So the continuity has been shot ever since TNG began.

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There are loads of continuity errors, but that isn't one of them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif The warp drive scale was 'adjusted' sometime in the decades prior to the TNG era. In TOS era used to be the cube of the warp factor was the number of times the speed of light you were moving. In the TNG era it's 3.3 instead of a flat 3, which already skews it so that Warp 9 in the new scale is much faster than Warp 9 in the old scale. But they also added some sort of 'open ended' asymptotic curve for speeds over Warp 9 so you really couldn't ever reach Warp 10.

But it's true that the Trek universe is a hopeless mess as far as internal consistency of science and technology. Paramount actually writes scripts based on story ideas and then asks technical 'consultants' make up the technology issues to fit the story! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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In Voyager they once broke warp 10 and as a result Paris and the Captain turned into creatures and mated thus starting a new race of beings. UTTER CRAP! Episodes like these just made me sick.

As Warp engines improve, the scale changes. Eventually the scale will factor Transwarp into the equation.

Warp 1 - 9.9999999999999999999999999999999999999
Transwarp would be Warp 10 to 13.99999999999999999

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Continuity to TOS...well to be honest, it's impossible. Does anyone else remember TOS episode where the Enterprise was hijacked by aliens, and taken towards another galaxy?? And the ship ended up doing like, warp 14 or 16 or something? Now, ever since TOS, there's been the arbitrary limit of warp 9.99 for a top speed (at least, up until Voyager, which of course had an episode where they broke that barrier, and travelled warp 10...but got some very odd side effects http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ) So the continuity has been shot ever since TNG began. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This had to do with the Warp Scales that Baron mentioned. Remember the TOS episode where the travler took the Enterprise D to speeds beyond their ability to measure? Warp barrier is just an arbatrary thing. Its like saying cars will never be able to go faster than 100 mph, then 200 mph, and so on. Hey what is the new land speed record now? Isn't it like 320 mph or something?

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Nope. Someone built a rocket car that broke the sound barrier a few years back, and he didn't die. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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As far as continuity issues, heck, they had them during the TOS, let alone with the other series. For those who didn't know, Kirk's middle initial was originally R. Then a couple of episodes later, it became T for Tiberius, and that's what he's been known as since. I guess it sound better than James R. Kirk.

But as far as Enterprise (from the episodes I've seen), there still isn't much to show what will happen in 100 years. They introduced the new style Klingon, still with no explanation as to who or what the original Klingons were. But they've introduced the Andorians, which became one of the founding races of the Federation. They mentioned the Tellarites, but I still haven't seen one yet. And Earth's first contact with the Romulans went differently than I thought it would. It would be nice if they showed a young Sarek, Spock's dad. I'll keep trying to watch it, but I don't expect too much in the way of continuity with TOS.

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For those who just love trek... TOS DVD set one comes out soon.

And the extended edition of Generations comes out soon as well

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Hadn't heard anything about Generations coming out, but I'll definitely grab a copy when it does. I want so much to get that TOS dvd set. Of all of the dvd Trek sets out there, this is the one I'm definitely getting. I was at Suncoast Motion Picture today, and they have Season 2 on their list coming out sometime in November. Also, since the topic is supposed to be about Enterprise, Quantum Leap season 2 will be out on December 14, for you Bakula fans, of which I'm one. Does anyone know when the new season of Enterprise starts? Since it's on a Friday night now, I'll probably miss it. And lately, I'm not home in time on Saturday nights for the repeat. Hopefully, though, I can catch more episodes this time around than Last season.

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i tried to do a search where we talked about the movies... could not find it...

In Dec... they are coming out with a big dvd set with all 3 seasons...

Or you can buy each season... 1 every other month...

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Anyone noticed how in Star Trek they sometimes employ the happy reset button, which usually means some type of time travel arc that make everything a happy ending in the end? (Not always the case, DS9 did a good job of not always having happy endings).

In terms of Enterprise, I enjoyed it for what it was until the Temporal Cold War started....bleh.

I also currently enjoy reruns of Voyager, although I think Janeway was a bit to know it all.