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I sware to god that is the name of the third Star Wars movie. The Revenge of the Sith. www.starwars.com

Well at least it is better than Attack of the Cloans, but is so un-original that it is laughable.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/...s20040724.html

[ July 25, 2004, 14:01: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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I think its good. Revenge of the Sith vs. Return of the Jedi, and RotJ was originally going to be Revenge of the Jedi till those in control realised Jedi don't seek revenge.

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Considering it have any of the Star Wars films titles been any good? A New Hope? Return of the Jedi? Empire Strikes Back?

The Phantom Menace was actually a good name considering, shame about the film though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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May 19, 2005? Can't wait! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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I was as keen as anyone when ep 1 came out but I don't think I'll even bother with this one. I'm just not interested any more. I think the SW series has been pretty well ruined for me.

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Well its being filmed here in sydney so im guessing that i will at least go and see it.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What was bad about phantom menace?

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I'm sure I'll go see it. It's probably going to be a fun movie. But then again, I don't get offended by silly things. Seeing sci-fi on the big screen is treat enough for me.

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I think there are a number of factors why some people who are fond of the OT dislike the new trilogy. They have fond memories of first seeing the OT, and it has reached such a level of fondness that they can't believe the new movies could be as good. Also GL makes the new movies how he has always wanted to with lots of effects. Had the effects been available with the OT he would have made different movies. Also the lack of effects in the originals meant more effort was put into the characters of the originals. People have their ideals of what a Star Wars movie should be and when they see something GL has put in for some reason that they disagree with then they feel the whole movie is a disaster. It seems GL's idea for Star Wars has never been the same as some peoples. I read the IMDB entry for Mark Hamill and he is quoted as saying he believes GL would prefer to make movies without any actors in them. That said, I am against Jar-Jar and the gungans who take away from the seriousness of PM. I think perhaps they are just to cater to children, not the grown ups who saw the originals. But, its GL's vision and as the man who invented it he is entitled to do what he wants. Star Wars is my favourite film and I will try to see it on the first day. Instead of criticising anything I feel may be wrong I'll just be glad to get a starwars film of any type, after all its not as if there will ever be any other Versions of it.

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Darth maul was cool, and all his fight scenes. Everything else sucked, imho. The pod race was blatantly inserted solely for marketting (IE Games industry) purposes, and Jar Jar Binks is a case for justifiable xenocide- that bit in the final battle where he turns perhaps the most eagerly anticiapted and expensive battle in cinema history (until Helm's Deep, anyway) into a poor Keystone Kops parody... *shudder* *sob*

They relied too heavily on the CGI and threw plot and suspension of disbelief out the window.

There might have been a few good lightsaber bits in AotC, can't really remember. All I really remember were the gaping plot holes and some crap about the force being controlled by general midi or something. that might have been the first one, I'm just not sure. It's taken several months of therapy and hypnosis to get even this much information past the mental blocks my traumatised mind threw around those films. Even Yoda's fight was blatantly ripped off from the classic Kermit vs Long John swashbuckle in "Muppet Treasure Island" (Don't believe me? Rent the film, then watch the two fight scenes back to back.)

So no, I'm not holding out much hope for the third film. Thanks Anhur for Peter Jackson, that's all I say.

/me heads down to blockbuster to rent Muppet Treasure Island, not to compare it to AotC, but just because it's a good film.

[ July 26, 2004, 14:09: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

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The whole force=midichlorian thing was a really bad move on GL's part. The other complaints are valid, but mainly cosmetic and subjective. But the midi thing totally changed the fundamental message behind the story.

The original it was all about how through determination and faith anyone could triumph over evil. Luke was just a poor dirt farmer from the backwoods, but because he believed in something and his friends believed in him they were able to beat the bad guys. It could have been anyone. It's an old story, but a good one.

But now we find out it couldn't have been anyone. It had to be Luke, and before them Anakin, because he had the right kind of blood. It's very subtle, but also very racist.

The problem didn't really start with EP1 though. Really from the point where we find out Luke and Leia are Vaders kids the whole thing went down the tubes as far as storyline goes. After that the effects were neat and all, but that was the about it. The story was shot.

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

Follow our intrepid band of outcast and misfit heroes as they struggle to get through Jedi Academy. See Lewis, Gilbert, Poindexter, and Booger back again in

Revenge of the Sith Nerds!!!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Are you telling me you believed Luke was "just anyone?" How about Obi Wan just happening to live right near Luke, and just happening to have Luke's father's light saber, and just happening to have been his father's mentor, and Luke just happens to be able to use the Force with only a few lessons, and Luke just happens to be the only one able to hear Obi Wan in his head? And Obi Wan says stuff about the Force running strong in his family?

Not to mention how Vader is the only bad guy who uses the Force, even though it is obviously a great advantage.

It is SOOOOO obvious from the get-go that only certain people can consciously use the Force, and that the ability often runs in families.

I can see how you'd call it elitist, but not racist.

I didn't like the midichlorian idea because
1) it put a scientific spin on something that was supposed to be mystical, unexplainable by science;
2) it was a blatant ripoff from the "A Wrinkle in Time" trilogy by Madeleine L'Engle;
3) it had them "sending" a blood sample for analysis from a teensy transmitter to the ship (technology ex nihilo);
4) it had the impersonal Force acting on its own, as a person, when it purposefully created Anakin; and, Last but not least,
5) it was a blatant ripoff of the Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth of God Incarnate, which GL may consider to be mythology but 1/4 to 1/3 of the world population does not.

Even with all that, I am still looking forward to the Last SW movie. Episodes 1 and 2 definitely had flaws, but I enjoyed them anyway. I think the challenge for GL is to make E3 enjoyable, while at the same time to adequately explain Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Seeing a good guy become evil is not much fun; how can GL balance that?

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Sorry, but expecting a bad movie like the other two of this new trilogy, then think the word "****" would fit better than "Sith".
IMHO, The Phantom Menace was a bad movie. But I consider the Attack of the Clones the worst ratio in the history, between money spent / FX / film quality.
Honestly, think have not evidence to believe this one would be better than the other two.

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When Phantom Menace came out i was in early teens if not before then. Star Wars was still one of my favourite films at that point, i loved them. I can honestly say that Episode I never captured me in the same way, this is from a childs perspective, it was a good film, just lacked something.

Although looking back I would rather be placed in a cell with Jar Jar that watch the awful tripe that was Aotc. It was horrible, ghastly, an abomination to the star wars name. The film was so slow and felt so miss matched. There was exceptional promise with very clever parts in there, We could debate this over and over again, it was a Horrible Movie, the Worst Sci-Fi Movie i have ever seen! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

That said i will go see Episode III just so it lines George lucas Pockets to the extent that he can retire from butchering the memory of the star wars trilogy anymore. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

[ July 27, 2004, 00:36: Message edited by: Raging Deadstar ]

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Well, I don't like Jar Jar Binks and nobody I have talked to liked Jar Jar either . It was a good thing that he wasn't in it very much for the second movie. I thought the second movie was a lot better than the first.

The worst Sci-Fi movie I have ever seen has got to be Star Trek V: Final Frontier.

Edit: typo

[ July 27, 2004, 00:48: Message edited by: Kamog ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, The title Revenge of the Jedi was dropped because at the same time, Star Trek II was sending our press junkits using the title "The Revenge of Kahn". Feeling that may cause star wars fans to became confused, they changed the title not realizing that star trek produced realized the same problem would arise with star trek fans and already changed thier film's name to Wrath of Kahn.

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What was bad about phantom menace? Well, I did end up liking it after a few viewings. But here is my list of what was bad:

-The force is now intergalactic cuties
-The Gungan smurf berry weapons
-Jar Jar (why did they do this?)
-Dumb looking aliens of the trade federation

Now here is what was good:
-Darth Maul
-Jedi battles
-Pod Race

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Really, well you learn something new every day. I don't really watch any of the movies completely unless theres nothing on tv all evening. I must admit to being a bit of a effects junkie. Stuff the plot, when I want to watch something for a few minute I put a star wars tape in and just watch one of the battles. As for Anakins mothers immaculate conception (yes I'm Catholic) I have just been assuming some explanation will appear eventually, otherwise I will be a bit angry. Also I dislike the midichlorian take. When I posted before I didn't think about those things. Probably because now I come to think of it I havn't watched any part of PM for years (hmm, maybe subconciously I don't like PM after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">oh yeah? check this out. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

EDIT: Reminiscence...
I'll never forget watching the preview for the above flick one day at the movies... it looked kinda stupid, but maybe had a chance, until they flashed the name of the movie on the big screen. The collective groan from the audience was priceless.

[ July 27, 2004, 02:39: Message edited by: DarkHorse ]

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I hope the acronym isn't an omen of the quality of the movie...

Episode III: ROTS

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Does anyone else want to see Servo and Crow unmothballed long enough to force them to watch the SW prequels?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"Oh, no."
"Oh, no!"
"Oh, yeah!"
*Kool-aid man busts through wall*

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You want to know what really *Pi**es* me off about starwars.com, you have to pay for a forum subscription in order to set up your profile and add or even choose an avatar. THAT IS BULL CRAP!

George Lucas is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and could care less about the quality of his stories. He is only doing the movies to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$

And yes, Episode III, ROTS is correctly named, Or more correctly "Return of the Stoodges."

I hold absolutely no expectation for this moive after reading about it and seeing all the "shows" that they have made about it. Just another crappy movie to make George Lucas more money.

[ July 27, 2004, 07:11: Message edited by: Atrocities ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Locked in a cell with Jar Jar? Oh yeah, just give me ten minutes...

*dogscoff slips a pool ball into a sock and cracks his knuckles...

[ July 27, 2004, 09:04: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

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And for the record, the starwars.com forums are a rude place to go. The Moderators lock threads by new people as fast as they post them. The members there are extremely hostile and rude to new members and are as irritating as gasoline in the eyes.

If I were a hacker, with a lot of skill, I would dedicate my life to bring that forum down on principal alone. But I am not a hacker, and for me to say such a thing about any forum means that it is truly a dark depressingly unfriendly place to go.

The fact that you have to PAY to gain access to your member profile should have been proof enough to me that only young, single minded corprate types run the place and we all know how they treaty people.

I was called a NOOBy by some member who obiviously knows little about the real world. I was 8 when Star Wars came out, and I was a teenager when Jedi came out. I think "we" of that generation have the exclusive right to say the things we say about PM and AOTC. Hell my seven year old nephews think PM and AOTC are stupid, but they love SW, ESB, and ROTJ.

Generally any one who Posts anything slightly negative about Star Wars is rapidly attacked and has thier thread locked. It is really a dictatorship there run by mindless and cowardly Moderators who think they are SITH LORDS. This is obviously do to the fact that they are mental retards who believe that the Star Wars universe is real and that George Lucas can do no wrong.

God help the real fans of Star Wars, the silent majority who vote with their pocket books and word of mouth. I was warned not to bother posting at starwars.com by many and I did not listen. For my part I was beaten up pretty bad by the Empire that controls that forum, and even though I fought back, I have no desire to return to such a horrible oppressive place as that.

Please take my word for it, the offical Star Wars forums are as evil as the offical Star Trek ones. They are to be avoided at all costs, less you enjoy being called nooby by a kid that still has no clue about life.

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As I said before Star Wars are my favourite movies and I used the offcial site to keep up to track on new pictures and trailers. Then they invented Hyperspace and expect me to pay to access such stuff. I refuse on principle to coff up the money to look at stuff they used to show free.

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AT: Let's invade them! As long as we can wreak a certain amount of havoc without having to pay for anything...

Say, one person goes in and starts a thread, and as soon as anyone starts *****ing 20 or 30 shrapnellers all leap violently (and I do mean violently) to their defence. We might all get Banned, but I couldn't care less about that...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I really don't think 20 or 30 shrapnellers would be enough. General Dogscoff Sir http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Pah! Where's your backbone, soldier? One proud Shrapneller is worth a hundred snivelling SW sciffies. (*) This will be a cake walk. Now stand up straight, get your hair cut, get out there and don't come back until you've got George Lucas himself skewered on the end of that red-hot poker cannon.

* Footnote - except where the Shrapneller also happens to be a SW sciffy. In that case the maths gets a little complicated, but on average it works out at around 4.6 sciffies per Klingon^3.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Pah! Where's your backbone, soldier? One proud Shrapneller is worth a hundred snivelling SW sciffies. (*) This will be a cake walk. Now stand up straight, get your hair cut, get out there and don't come back until you've got George Lucas himself skewered on the end of that red-hot poker cannon.

* Footnote - except where the Shrapneller also happens to be a SW sciffy. In that case the maths gets a little complicated, but on average it works out at around 4.6 sciffies per Klingon^3. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sir Yes Sir! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif Permission to break out the curiously celtic named mutated giant sea monsters you seem to breed Sir and open up a cantina there! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Its a noble idea. However as a moderator (shaking head yes) I cannot condone such behavior.

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It's ok, i personally don't think any or many of us could bare to lower ourselves to that level. It's one of the few things that worry me about this forum.

SEV becomes more succesful than SEIV ever was (a challenge to say the least) and becomes more popular. This is great for shrapnel and Malfador but what will become of this forum? The more popular something becomes the more people will join communities on it, unfortuantly the more people the bigger chance of those who thankfully we don't see much of round here.

It's a selfish thing i guess, this community is my favourite and i have many friends from here and it's place where we can all discuss and be civillised while helping. Something from my brief viewing of the star wars forum a few months back was obviously lacking there. I hope for many happy years on this forum. Also we don't want a retaliation invasion of star wars "sciffies".

Anyway, we can taunt them from afar http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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Newcomers to this forum tend to be a bit rough, but from what I've seen, it dosen't take long before they rise to the level we're all used to.

I expect most of us will be around for SEV, and as the old guard, we can lead by example.

The SE5 players will want to fit in, but the SW people won't care.
There is no point in drawing actively hostile people here...

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Have to agree with SJ. A board war would just end badly.

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I agree, just best to keep away from the kiddies at Star Wars Land. They will fade in time as the Last movie goes down in flames like the Last two have.

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Wish I could have put in my 2 cents earlier, but this is the first time I've been on since sometime Last week. As far the SW3 title, it could have been worse. Yes, it is reminiscient of SW6's title, but IIRC, GL changed the name to trick those who were trying to make a profit from the movie long before it came out. Such things like posters and other stuff were already coming out before the movie was released with the original title. He changed it a few months before the movie was to come out to thwart them.

I loved the original trilogy. I was 14 in May of 77 (has it been that long?), and remember that film fondly. I liked what Lucas did in 97 when he remade them, except for one thing. He should have kept the scene where Han Solo shot Greedo. Adding that part where Greedo's hand comes out with a bLaster still doesn't sit with me. I know since ROTJ he's dumbed down the storylines to cater to children or the really geeky nerds, but I wish he would have left that particular scene alone in the special edition.

As far as TPM and AOTC, I was really disappointed. Especially in TMP. Jar Jar was like fingernails going down a chalkboard to me. Since we didn't really have the droids throughout the whole movie to give us comic relief, he had to come up with Jar Jar. Maybe the idea behind Jar Jar was right, but the way he created his personality and wrote his lines was horrific. I didn't particular care for the way Anakin's origin was presented either. They talk about the Force being this all surround energy force that those with the right genes can use to influence things. But saying the Force actually created Anakin to bring balance to the force was nothing but horse-puckey. That's saying the Force was a sentient entity who is willing to affect things to it's own ideas. GL could have made it where Anakin's father was a passing Jedi who either died or kept on going, instead of a miraculous conception.

As far as AOTC, I liked it a whole lot better than TPM. Unfortunately, GL can't write a love scene to save his life. I thought all of the scenes with Anakin and Padme were forced, and didn't see how Padme could fall in love with Anakin in such a short time. They only knew each other for a few days or weeks in TPM, when she was 14 and he was 8 or 9. Then they meet again 10 years later only because Obi-Wan and Anakin happen to be on Coruscant at the same time that Padme was. That seemed too coincidental to me. If he couldn't come up with a decent way for them to fall in love, he should have gotten someone else to write those scenes. Especially after he admitted to wiping out a whole Tusken Raider village, children and all. At least the Last 45 minutes or so made up for the rest of the movie. I just wish Jango Fett had survived. He was too cool of a character to be wasted away like that.

As far as my thoughts on SW3, I don't know. I hope he can fit all of the known Star Wars facts in a 2 1/2 hour movie: Anakin going to the Dark Side, the fight with Obi-Wan resulting in him falling into a lava pit, thus forcing him to wear the respirator for the rest of his life. I wander if they will show it was Anakin's idea or Palpatine's (spoiler for those who don't know who the Emperor really was) to make that part of his persona, thus creating Darth Vader. Also, Chewbacca is going to be in this film. I don't know what part he will have in the saga at that point, but I'm hoping they show a young Han Solo rescuing him from slavery, thus making Han a disgraced Imperial officer. I'd also love to see the sabacc game in which Han won the Millenium Falco from Lando. Also, there surely will show the twins being born and split up, with Obi-Wan obviously being sent to keep an eye out for Luke. What little we know of Padme, she does survive for awhile, enough for Leia to remember her. I wander what her final fate was? If anyone knows from whatever website you may visit, keep it to yourself. I'll wait to find out for myself next May.

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Agree with everything GB just said. He's also just reminded me of something:

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What the hell were R2D2 and C2PO doing in the first film? Don't you think they might have mentioned the fact that they were *built* by Vader at some point in the Last 3? Or if they didn't know Vader=Anakin, they might have at least commented on the fact that their original owner was a skywalker like Luke?

It seems clear to me that when epsIV-VI were made, the droids were not intended to be part of eps I-III. However they were desperately crowbarred into the plot at the Last minute for cynical Hollywood reasons. What, did GL think we couldn't handle a Star Wars film without any familiar characters?

Just another example (like Jar Jar) of GL underestimating and so patronising his audience.

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Ya, I agree with Greg's post too, mostly, but I'm curious about the Greedo part:

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">My memory was that he had levelled a bLaster at Han in the original film, too. Han just shot him under the table while acting like he was talking to him.

I thought most of the the "remake" additions were bad, actually - stupid flying little robots in Mos Eisley streets that were obviously not there, and not seen by anyone, and so on. I thought the Death Star explosion was NOT improved by adding one of those stupid 2-dimensional fireworks rings - that explosion could have been made better, like with some really good CGI that added debris and stuff, but the old "ring of silliness" effect? The only additions I remember liking were the scene with the saurian-rider stormtroopers, and the scene with Han Solo and Jabba. Oh, I guess the added gobs of storm troopers in the Han Solo chase were comical, too, though it was already a funny enough scene without them.

PvK

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">My memory was that he had levelled a bLaster at Han in the original film, too. Han just shot him under the table while acting like he was talking to him.

I thought most of the the "remake" additions were bad, actually - stupid flying little robots in Mos Eisley streets that were obviously not there, and not seen by anyone, and so on. I thought the Death Star explosion was NOT improved by adding one of those stupid 2-dimensional fireworks rings - that explosion could have been made better, like with some really good CGI that added debris and stuff, but the old "ring of silliness" effect? The only additions I remember liking were the scene with the saurian-rider stormtroopers, and the scene with Han Solo and Jabba. Oh, I guess the added gobs of storm troopers in the Han Solo chase were comical, too, though it was already a funny enough scene without them.

PvK </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's been awhile since I've seen the revised Version of ANH. I bought the tapes, but they've been in storage since 2000. And it's not like Sci-Fi channel shows them all of the time like they used to. But in the original scene in the cantina, Greedo indicated to Han that he was going to bring him in for the bounty, alive or dead, but IIRC, didn't actually make a move for his weapon. Han just shot him to make sure Greedo didn't carry out his threat. I'd have to see it again to make sure. Unfortunately, GL won't release the original Version of the movie, just the revised Versions.

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I have not seen the revised Episode IV, but I do seem to remember that in the original one, Han shoots first and the other guy was not pointing a weapon or anything, just talking.

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I think C3PO will at least have his memory wiped since he can't keep his mouth shut. R2D2 might as well, but I think maybe not. He can't talk normally but I get the impression he is much more in the know than C3PO. He knows all this stuff but keeps his mouth shut. As for Han shooting first, of course he did. Han didn't become a succesful smuggler by sticking to the rules. Greedo said he was going to either kill Han or take him to Jabba (who isn't exactly happy with him) so Han does whats necessary. If he had known Greedo would be the one to find him he would have hidden in the shadows and shot Greedo in the back when he wasn't looking. You can be the loveable rogue without being a goody two shoes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

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One thing I don't understand from episodes I and II is, if Senator Palpatine is the Sith Lord, why don't the Jedi sense the dark side in him? I assumed that Palpatine is able to hide his power somehow.

Or maybe there's some sort of trick where Palpatine is actually not Darth Sidius, but a clone?

Also, the rule about only two Siths existing at one time doesn't sound like such a good idea. There's a master and an apprentice, and that's it? So the master has to die before the apprentice can call himself the new master and take on a new apprentice.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually I think the "tradition" works more like the apprentice killing the master off (or vice versa..) then getting a new apprentice.

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What happened to Grand Moff Tarkin? In Star Wars he was the Emperors top military commander and in charge of the Death Star. No mention of him in PM, or AOTC, and I doubt he will be in ROTS.

This leaves a bit whole for which Lucas should fall in and drown.

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Why did Obi-Wan and Yoda disappear when they died in episodes IV and VI, but none of the Jedi who died in episodes I and II disappeared?

If I were a Sith master, I would never get an apprentice! It would just be too dangerous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Tarkin is indeed in ROTS, this is a fact as there are pictures of the actor wearing makeup to make him look exactly as a young Tarkin (its on Hyperspace though so I havn't seen it myself, but it exists). He's a Republic navy officer who will get in the Emperors good books.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In AOTC Yoda and Mace Windu decide it is time to tell the senate that their ability to detect the dark side is limited these days. I know a lot more but after typing it I deleted it because there may be some people who don't want to hear spoilers.

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"If I were a Sith master, I would never get an apprentice! It would just be too dangerous"

The Sith are not evil individuals looking for their own power. They are a secret evil force Users intending to conquer the galaxy. They have been sneaking about for 1000 years, they need to have apprentices so the plan can continue. 2 Sith are harder to discover and with only 2 Sith the dark side is less diluted (compare thousands of Jedi sharing the "good bits" versus 2 supervillains with half the Dark side each). For 1000 years Sith have been planning knowing they personally will not see the victory but knowing that some day the Republic will be conquered.

[ July 29, 2004, 03:27: Message edited by: Randallw ]

Re: OMG: The Revenge of the Sith
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is true. In the special edition, Greedo fires first and misses Han, who then shoots and kills Greedo. Crappy political correctness garbage...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Because the force was no longer a mystical/magical force in I and II, but debased to the mitichlorian crap.

[ July 29, 2004, 03:48: Message edited by: Imperator Fyron ]

Re: OMG: The Revenge of the Sith
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In AOTC Yoda and Mace Windu decide it is time to tell the senate that their ability to detect the dark side is limited these days. I know a lot more but after typing it I deleted it because there may be some people who don't want to hear spoilers.

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"If I were a Sith master, I would never get an apprentice! It would just be too dangerous"

The Sith are not evil individuals looking for their own power. They are a secret evil force Users intending to conquer the galaxy. They have been sneaking about for 1000 years, they need to have apprentices so the plan can continue. 2 Sith are harder to discover and with only 2 Sith the dark side is less diluted (compare thousands of Jedi sharing the "good bits" versus 2 supervillains with half the Dark side each). For 1000 years Sith have been planning knowing they personally will not see the victory but knowing that some day the Republic will be conquered. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There was a Sith war back 4000 years before the current Star Wars saga. So the Sith have been around for quite awhile. Unfortunately, you get so many Sith in the same room, and they think they're the one who's going to rule, and so start killing each other. So eventually the 2 Sith rule came around. This was explained in one of the novels, but I don't remember which one.