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Ok, here I am playing along real nice with the AI players, and all of a sudden, they declare war. They wipe out half of my colony worlds before I can even mount a simple assualt. Well, guess what? I had the ability to create warp points. So you know what I did? I warped over to there home system with about 20 Large Troop transports and invaded. Most of the worlds were not defended very well, and my light cruisers picked off any fighters or planetary defenses they had. They were easy pickens for me.

Then, after I took their planets, do you know what they did? They rioted. Thats right. Here I am to liberate them from the evil that was their government, and they RIOTE on me!!?? Well, I got so mad, I just uploaded the populations, (leaving 1m on each planet with about 75 troops) and combined the Transports into one huge fleet.

I then abandonded each world leaving the structures in tact.

I then, and I wonder if this makes me a physcopath, Jetosoned the cargo.

I estimate that I spaced somewhere near 2 billion people. I told you it was just sick and wrong. How dare they riote againt me!

2 billion. Man what an Atrocitie.

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UCP/TCO Ship Yards

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Build an urban pacification center or some other facility that boost happiness on the first planet in a system you conquer. Then you won't have to do that sick plan of yours.

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But the problem is that you cannot build on a rioting planet. I have this problem too, I sent in a fleet to wipe out the Drushoka, killing about half of their colonies and all their warships in the progress. Eventually, when I checked the scores, they had about .6K to my 1M, so I told them to surrender. They did, but all of their planets are now rioting.
Anyways, they are now in the rear of my empire, and are in no position to be attacked unless the AI starts using warp point tech really intelligently. So I just sent long range colonizers out there to settle a few empty planets and hopefully, once the get there, I can build some temporal vacation facilities. If this don't work, I will have no choice but to displace the entire populations of three systems.

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either build the pacification center on one of your wordls in the system (IF you have them) or keep a fleet of warships in orbit or bunch of troops there until they stop rioting...takes a few turns.

[This message has been edited by pathfinder (edited 07 January 2001).]

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Troops are excellent to stop riots. I always use them. They get to stay on the "liberated" world as long as it takes. (usually not that long)

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Um, this is going to sound evil, but I enjoyed spacing them. It was quick and easy, and no more riotes.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atrocities:
Um, this is going to sound evil, but I enjoyed spacing them. It was quick and easy, and no more riotes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

would you think less of me if I said that i spend resources capturing ships such as colony ships just so I can space the colonists or order fleets to fire on them?

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Yes it was sick and evil to space them that was a waste of good slave colonists to work in the mines of your worlds especially if they breathe a different atmosphere type than you.

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If you were fighting the EEE then making them suck vacuum was too kind!

Those blobs of jelly are always giving me grief http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

[This message has been edited by pathfinder (edited 08 January 2001).]

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If I need slaves, I will conqure more worlds. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Here we see yet another classic example of that hoary old maxim. Maybe you can sell the rights to your Empire's story and then Hollywood can make a movie out of it and call it.. hmmm... let's see.. "Space Hitler". LOL.

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The unbelievable thing is that billions of rioting people would voluntarily board transport ships!!! The game should not allow that. You should not be able to move around populations until they get to a certain happiness level. Likewise, you shouldn't be able to "cure" a plague by evacuating the entire population. (And speaking of plague, it should spread from planet to planet if it isn't cured or the planet quarantined. [Quarantine would have the same effect as besieged.])

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Fellow 'would-be-rulers-of-the-universe',
you are missing a simple way to deal with rioting conquered planets. At least until a change like dmm mentioned "The unbelievable thing is that billions of rioting people would voluntarily board transport ships!!! The game should not allow that. You should not be able to move around populations until they get to a certain happiness level." is made.
Just include a few (10M-20M)volunteer 'recolonizers' on a small ship in your fleet. After taking a planet, if they riot then transfer the hostile population into a transport ship while dropping your happy recolonizers. Emergency build the urban pac. center and retransfer population if needed. This works best if the planet(or one of them) is domed, would hate to dome an undomed planet.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dmm:
The unbelievable thing is that billions of rioting people would voluntarily board transport ships!!! The game should not allow that. You should not be able to move around populations until they get to a certain happiness level. Likewise, you shouldn't be able to "cure" a plague by evacuating the entire population. (And speaking of plague, it should spread from planet to planet if it isn't cured or the planet quarantined. [Quarantine would have the same effect as besieged.])<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

man, if hitler had had SEIV transports, just think what he could have done! you have to be impressed at the logistics involved in moving that many people.. and getting them to way 4 pounds apiece for transport!

kids, dont commit genocide at home. its just a game.

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I think a few billion Krill burning up as they renter the atmosphere of one of their -until recently rioting worlds must look quite spectacular from the ground. It must make the people I send over to take over living on the world when the slaves are gone very happy, "Look mommy, the nice captain is lauchinging fireworks to celebrate our arrival at our new home!" http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif



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On a related note if you have a race that breathes "none" and you launch them into space shouldn't they still be there later?

Also if you repopulate a rioting world with new colonists aren't they still rioting? I haven't tried this with rioting worlds but on unhappy worlds even if I exchange the whole population (because of the atmosphere usually) they are still unhappy. And If I take "unhappy" colonists and put them on a new world they are "jubilent" so I think its a world setting and not the colonists themselves that are rioting.

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Breathes there a colonist with soul so dead, who never once to himself hath said, "this is my own, my native space".

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I've been wondering if there was a way to put atrocities into the politics of the game. No, I don't mean the poster on this board, either.

Something like bombing a planet flat should have negative impact on both the target race (for obvious reasons) and other races (who might wonder what you'll do to them) based on their personality profile. Psychotic and xenophobic races might not care about what happens to another race, but Honorable races probably wouldn't react well to a race that commits genocide.

Maybe there should also be a few Propaganda projects in the Intelligence section to offset it. You know, manufacture a bunch of bs about how your admiral exceeded his orders, will be punished, a nice guy like you wouldn't do that and they did it to themselves, etc. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif


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to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a
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come with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless
eyes and wave like this..." *waggle* "...can you and your
associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tomgs:
On a related note if you have a race that breathes "none" and you launch them into space shouldn't they still be there later? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Answer #1: If I were them, I'd form up into a giant solar sail and go colonize the nearest moon.

Answer #2: No, because after voluntarily boarding your transport while rioting, they will voluntarily kill themselves just before being jettisoned.

Answer #3: No, silly. Your ships all have some sort of air in them. So the "Nones" all died as soon as they came aboard.

Answer #4: No, because your emotionally disturbed crews will play "hit the pedestrian" for real, instead of just laughing about it in front of their moms like normal teenage boys do.

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Tomgs, I thought this was how it worked but that could have been in ver 1.10. I also noticed that a planet will not always riot when taken by troops, so maybe that was the example I was recalling. Has anyone tried to switch a rioting world pop. with ver 1.19?

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I have, and it worked fine.

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Sinapus, I love your B5 Londo quate. Made me laugh. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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"We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats! They invade our space and we fall back -- they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back! Not again! The line must be drawn here -- this far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!" -- Patric Stewart as Captain Picard
UCP/TCO Ship Yards

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>On a related note if you have a race that breathes "none" and you launch them into space shouldn't they still be there later? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only if your ship has an improbability drive. (kudos to anyone who can place that reference) http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by geoschmo:
Only if your ship has an improbability drive. (kudos to anyone who can place that reference) http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

does anyone suppose that the temporal tech tree should contain an infinate improbability drive at the top of the tech tree? not sure what it would do though, maybe we could make it like a powerfull engine and quantum reactor in one. probably to much to ask for it to turn seekers into petunias.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atrocities:
Sinapus, I love your B5 Londo quate. Made me laugh. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif
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Actually, it was Vir who said that... and he did get what he wanted AND lived long after that. Episode should be airing on Sci-Fi this Monday, unless they have another movie marathon that interrupts the schedule.

I am somewhat serious about the atrocity idea, though.

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"What do -you- want?" "I'd like to live -just- long enough
to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a
pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors
come with too high a price. I would look up into your lifeless
eyes and wave like this..." *waggle* "...can you and your
associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?"

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PUke,


your quote ..from the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy..heehhe (Douglas Adams)

Zephod and friends


hehe , they gave the humans years to get out of the way for the new space highway...ooops..had to blow up the planet to make way.




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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Socialist:
hehe , they gave the humans years to get out of the way for the new space highway...ooops..had to blow up the planet to make way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


funny, thats just what I told the terran ambasador when my fleet of vomit-commets came through their home system with the planetary napalm. Cant stand in the way of union construction!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>does anyone suppose that the temporal tech tree should contain an infinate improbability drive at the top of the tech tree? not sure what it would do though, maybe we could make it like a powerfull engine and quantum reactor in one. probably to much to ask for it to turn seekers into petunias.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tactical Officer: Sir! We fired our missles, but they turned to petunias moments before impact.

Captain: But that's impossible!

Science Officer: Actually sir, it's not impossible. Only highly improbable.

Captain: Number one, launch science officer Gronk out of the forward torpedo tubes!!!

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Oh man, it was Vir? Thanks for correcting me on that. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif (I love B5, too bad WB shafted it. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif )

Anyways onto business. One would have to agree that something such as Atrocities should be built into an AI. Think of the message you would get.

"Lord Atrocities: We have just captured on of your worlds and irraticated (sp) its population. FROM the Eee"

Man that would really flame your hatered for them. In addition, it would have a demoralizing effect upon your own people as they would become increasingly concerned about such a thing happening to them.