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http://www.gracelessland.com/main/la...Potential.html

Anyone read this? It at Gracelessland.com. They mention SE4 more than a few times. They even insult those of us who play the games saying "It takes a special kind of person, on a special kind of medication, to play these games. Someone with the attention span of an iguana. Someone on an intravenous drip."

And this guy is talking about developing his own 4x game. http://www.cruzbaystudios.com/ Called Space Command
A NEW ERA IN 4X STRATEGY GAMING IS COMING is all it says.

Just wondering.


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This is the best 4x game I have ever played to date!

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I have a short attention span and I like SEIV. If this guy is developing his own game, I don't think I would be interested. You see, someone with a short attention span like myself, would not enjoy the boring game
that this guy is working on.

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Well, I have a picture of the guy who wrote that review. I warn you, view it at your own risk.
http://uglypeople.com/uglymen/html/up-men-00282.htm

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Oh yeah, thats ugly.

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I felt it fit him given his review of the game. You know what they say, if you write ugly things about games I like, you must be ugly. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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Hey, give him some credit. At least he took the time to study the attention span of an iguana. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif You know what they say, it you can not beat them, belittle them. My guess is that this guy as no clue what we who play 4X space games like, i.e. he doesn't know his future market. I predict that his potential game will flop.
The only other thought is that he is really quite clever and is trying to use some form of reverse psyic. to get our attention and generate talk about him/his product. Best to just let him fade away.

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In all seriousness, while I think the guy is overreacting, he does have some good points. In many cases 4X games have too much micromanagement to appeal to a large audience. If this guy thinks that he can make a 4X game that will appeal to the general public and still get us electronic Grognards to play it, then more power to him. I'd love to see a grand strategy game with simple controls and no micromanagement. Star General and Spaceward Ho were pretty good attempts in that direction, so was Star Control 1 (which to date had the third best galactic map in any sci-fi game I've ever played, right behind Mankind and Ascendency).



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Well maybe the guy doesn't realize that it takes a little more intelligence to play these games than it does to play those reaction fest-Doom clones. Nothing wrong with those games, they can be quite fun, but they just do not require an appreciable amount of planning or forethought, especially when playing them Online. This sort of intelligence-required gaming actually appeals to some (many) people, and yes they require attention to detail. If this guy doesn't like it, then why the hell does he play these games and then whine about them? Running a government/empire does actually take a lot of time and effort, whether he believes it or not. I imagine his game will probably eliminate the areas we desperately want to control, and replace other areas with rather inadequate AI control.

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Just call me ignorant, guys, but what is the "attention span of an iguana"? Is it short or long? How do you know? If it's long, are there any iguanas w/A.D.D.? And if so, what's being done to help them? Ridlin? Therapy?

There are very few iguanas in NorthEast Texas so my knowledge of the reptile is somewhat limited. We do have Bullfrogs. But, alas, I am not privy to the length of their attention span. But I digress....

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The attention span of an Iguana is highly variable.
It is usually about 20 seconds unless it sees somthing that might potentially be a meal, the it can extent to days as it contemplates if the object of its desire is indeed edible, and can it be caught.

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Actually, he makes a few good points, especially regarding micromanagement. The more "stuff" a game has, the more like work it becomes (for me, anyway).

Has anyone here played Spaceward Ho! 4? I recently reinstalled my copy and have been having a bLast! It reduces 4X games to the bare minimum, but I like it because it plays quickly and smoothly.

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Some of the greatest military minds,like Napoleon Bonaparte,were great micro managers!

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I personally like the mircomanagment. it allows for a lot of roleplaying and adds something more then just built a force and kill everybody.

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The differance between 4X stratigy gaming and plane TB stratigy is that with 4X, there is depth, with TB, its just a race.

Case in point. BOTF vs Armada. BOTF was a 4X game while Armada was a TB game. Which do you prefer? For me, it was BOTF. I sold my copy of Armada. Not my type of game.

So this guy, the dude that reviewed SE IV, is a Armada type player. He does not want micro managment, he wants to mass produce ships and pound the enemy before the enemy can mass produce ships and pound him. He has no skill, no patence, and no business reviewing SE IV. Nuff said.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Atrocities:
Case in point. BOTF vs Armada. BOTF was a 4X game while Armada was a TB game.
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Could please explain all these abbreviations for me?
BOTF? Armada? 4X? TB? and while your at it could someone please tell me what ISTR and IMO mean?
I'm not familiar with what these stand for I've seen them used before in these forums but they were never defined? I like to use abbreviations too but I try to define them at the begining of the post (sometimes I forget too though)
Thanks.

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igoblin,

the reason the terms you asked about were not defined is that most (all) are in common usage by the internet community or the gaming community. I'll supply answers for those I am able.

Armada = A game, not familiar with it
BoTF = Birth of The Federation, a 4X empire builder (I know, keep reading http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif)
4x = EXplore, EXpand, EXploit, EXterminate, a style of strategy games
IMO = In My Opinion
IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
AFAIK = As Far As I Know
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly
ISTR = ???? http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif Sorry, maybe someone else can help us out?

John-SJ

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ISTR=I seem to recall
FYI=For your information
BTW=By the way
HTH=Hope that helps
OTOH=On the other hand
RTFM=Read the Fine http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif Manual
LOL=Laugh out loud
ROFL=Rolling on the floor laughing
ROFLMAO=Rolling on the floor laughing my butt off
YMMV=Your mileage may vary

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What does OPP stand for?

I heard black people use it.

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Well, it could be "opponent" or "opposite" (which are normally written opp. not OPP) but given the source, I'm pretty sure it stands for "Other People's Problems".

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TJMOICBW = That's Just My Opinion, I Could Be Wrong

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TLA= Three letter acronymn

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FYI, the BS bottle is full. Please empty it ASAP. Be warned. Oh, I have got something for ya. Go here and read this letter. LOL. http://www.angelfire.com/zine/cnchome/look.html

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"We've made too many compromises already, too many retreats! They invade our space and we fall back -- they assimilate entire worlds and we fall back! Not again! The line must be drawn here -- this far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!" -- Patric Stewart as Captain Picard
UCP/TCO Ship Yards

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OOC = Out of character. Found most often on roleplaying game forums.
RPG = Roleplaying game
RTS = Real-time strategy
FPS = First-person shooter (Quake & Unreal)
OT = Off Topic
N/T = No Text (used in the subject line of a forum post or e-mail where the subject says it all and no text is needed.)


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Emperor Zodd:
What does OPP stand for?

I heard black people use it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it means "Other Peoples Pu$$y"

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I was only joking! LOL, I knew what it meant,I'm not that old and out of touch.

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IANAL - i am not a lawyer
FIGJAM - i'm good, just ask me

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