Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

This is not DOM 2 issue. Its windows issue. Windows will default to 60 Hz for every game/program that doesn't set its own refresh rate as some sort of protection from damage in case your monitor can't support it.

There are some programs out there that help you set refresh rate for each resolution that will work in any game/program.

One tool for NVidia graphic cards is NVRefresh and you can find it at http://www.nvrt.org/

I don't know which util is for ATI graphic cards but I’m sure there are some Users on this forum that can assist you.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So it is an DOM 2 issue.
DOM 1 uses SDL library for graphics, too, and it works fine. Any any other (Win32) game works fine,too, and I have a ***load of them.

Looks to me it's an issue DOM2 has with the initialization of 3D-OpenGL ...

And I really don't want to have to install another 3rd-party tool to get DOM 2 running ok. really, especially as I don't need it otherwise and I would have to get me a different one for each graphics card or at least manufacturer. That's no fun, really, and something that the programmers should fix ASAP.

yours
A.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Just run that tool, what Daynarr had mentioned.
It will fix the 60 Hz issue with the Nvidia card.

I had this problem in the past with my 4600Ti on WinXP, and that tool helped me to solve the prob.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

You can also run it in a window, and then maximize it. The game will run at your desktop resolution and refresh rate.

Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Hello folks !

I can't get more than 60 Hz screen refresh rate with DOM2 running in fullscreen mode, and that on 4 different machines:

# A
P2/400, W2k, Riva TNT, Detonator (with GL support, checked that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

# B
C/550, W2k
ATI XPERT 98 RXL AGP2x
RAGE XL Chip
8 MB
ATI 5.0.2195.5012 (28.12.2001)
J5.30.0-CD09
Posted April 2, 2002
This display driver release for Windows 2000 includes support for DirectX 8.1 and OpenGL.


#C Athlon 2000+, WinXPProf
G2Ti 64MB with Detonator


#D some Sony notebook
Radeon Mobility somewhat, Sony driver, WinXPHome


Interestingly enough, DOM1 runs ok even in fullscreen mode on these machines (Desktop refresh rate inspite of switching the resolution down to 800x600)


Any helpful suggestions ?

A.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Sadly, starting windowed and maximizing does not work. Resolution changes and graphics are re-initialised .. with refresh rate at 60 Hz.


I'm not willing to clutter my PC (and those of my LAN-buddies) with a bunch of different tools just to correct the programming errors in DOM 2.

All other games (open GL included) work fine, DOM2 doesn't. They should fix it.

Sadly, I pre-ordered the game after many a hotseat session in DOM 1 with a friend. I already regret it.

A.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

What's the problem with a refresh rate of 60hz anyway? For that matter how could you even tell?

I'm just not sure how a refresh rate stuck at 60hz would make you regret ordering a strategy game. I'm just curious...

[ October 31, 2003, 07:29: Message edited by: LordArioch ]

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

60Hz looks terrible, and gives you a headache, on a CRT monitor. It's bad for your eyes and brain. On a LCD, 60Hz is pretty much OK, as flicker is much less noticable, though it depends on the screen used.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

He can tell because can actually see it. It hurts the eye and can give you a headache. business machines are required to run at 75hz at least over here or your employer cannot force you to use the computer.

That said, it is quite easy to fix the problem at least for the Nvidia PCs without installing any additional software. Install the latest driver first. Then:
Go to the desktop, right click, then "properties", "settings", "advanced", "monitor". Set this to at least 75hz. Go to the tab "Geforce *YourCard*", "override refresh". Here you can set the refresh rate for any resolution.

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Ok...I'm just used to my LCD that doesn't really flicker on 60hz. But that would be a problem then. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif I hope some of the advice offered to you works, once you get past the refresh rate dominions 2 is a great game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Uh huh..???..also you can check your refresh rate on your monitor's screen. Er I guess you have a monitor with OSD...it is a very old thing you know. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Arralen did you tried to disable vertical sync in OpenGL? Maybe that will help as well.
[It is on by default.] Also use the latest NVidia drivers.


Also one more utility to fix this:
http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/

It wont mess up anything, trust me. Very simple way to solve this little problem.

[ October 31, 2003, 12:31: Message edited by: Mortifer ]

Re: Can\'t get more than 60 Hz screen refresh ..
 

Sorry for bringing up a rather old thread, but I noticed nobody had really addressed this issue, and I assume others will experience it as the game reaches a wider audience...

Oh, you won't have problems with a 60hz refresh rate with an LCD panel as you have no electron guns... Your only issue will be pixel response time, which is irrelevant in a game this slow. However, it is a real pain in the *** with a tube based monitor. Windows hates open GL, setting your default refresh rate will not effect OpenGL games correctly with most graphics cards. The easiest way to fix this permanently is to make sure you are using the proper information file for your monitor.

You can check this out by right clicking on your desktop, select 'properties', then the 'settings' tab, then click the 'advanced' button, then select the 'monitor' tab. If it says 'plug and play monitor' this is your issue, plug and pray defaults to 60hz. If windows will let you, select a higher refresh rate, hit apply, and go try out Dom 2 and see if that helps. Note, the refresh rate you set here is only valid for the resolution and color depth you are currently in, so if you play Dom 2 at 1280x1024 in 32bit color, make sure your desktop is set to that when you select the refresh rate. However, odds are this won't fix the problem anyway, though it should help some DirectX games.

There are a few ways to fix this, go find the proper information file for your monitor, just toss the model number and manufacturer into google and hope. Or you can write/edit your own information file. The easiest way to do this is to grab RivaTuner from over here, it works with Nvidia and ATI cards;
RivaTuner

(If you already have an inf file you want to edit, you wont need RivaTuner, just a text editor)
Once you have installed Rivatuner, run it, on the 'main' tab, just tot he right of you Graphics card ID it says 'customize', click that tab, the select the 'low level refresh rate settings' icon, then select the 'monitor driver wizard' tab. This will make a monitor information file. Select the 'get EDID' info button on the bottom of the panel, then press the 'create' button, save the .inf file somewhere you can find it. Close rivatuner.

Open a text editor, like notepad (windows 'start' button, run, type 'notepad') or Ultraedit, open up the 'mydriver.inf' file in it. You'll see something like this;
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">; RivaTuner's monitor information file

[Version]
Signature = &quot;$CHICAGO$&quot;
Class = Monitor
ClassGUID = {4d36e96e-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}
Provider = %MFG%

[Manufacturer]
%MFG% = MonMfg

[MonMfg]
%MODEL% = Mon.Install,Monitor\MAG9807

[Mon.Install]
DelReg = DEL_CURRENT_REG
AddReg = Mon.AddReg,RES,DPMS

[Mon.AddReg]
HKR,&quot;MODES\1600,1200&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,50-160,+,+&quot;

[DEL_CURRENT_REG]
HKR,MODES
HKR,,MaxResolution
HKR,,DPMS

[RES]
HKR,,MaxResolution,,&quot;1600,1200&quot;

[DPMS]
HKR,,DPMS,,1

[Strings]
MFG = &quot;MAG Technology Co., Ltd.&quot;
MODEL = &quot;MAG 800V&quot;</pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">the only line we care about is the '[Mon.AddReg]' line this list the maximum display rate the monitor can handle. We want to add in some other resolutions, so windows doesn't have to infer what they might be, like so;
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">code:</font><hr /><pre style="font-size:x-small; font-family: monospace;">HKR,&quot;MODES\1,1&quot;,Mode1,,&quot ;30-96,50-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\320,200&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\320,240&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\400,300&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\480,360&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\512,384&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\640,400&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\640,480&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,85-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\720,480&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,60-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\720,576&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,60-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\800,600&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,85-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\848,480&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,75-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1024,768&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,100-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1152,864&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,100-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1280,720&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,100-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1280,768&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,85-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1280,960&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,85-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1280,1024&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,85-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1360,768&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,72-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1600,900&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,72-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1600,1024&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,72-160,+,+&quot;
HKR,&quot;MODES\1600,1200&quot;,Mode1,,&quot;30-96,60-160,+,+&quot; </pre><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The first group of numbers is the resolution, the second group horizontal info, which we wont touch, that Last group of numbers is the vertical refresh info. Unless you tell windows otherwise, it assumes a 60hz refresh, or 60-160 in the case of this monitor. I play Dom 2 at 1280 by 1024, and I wanted to force a minimum refresh rate of 85, so I changed that second to Last number from 60 to 85. The rest is pretty easy to figure out.
Do not set the vertical refresh rate higher then your monitor can handle at the given resolution, you will damage the monitor. Do not change those plus or minus signs, your monitor may have different polarities then mine, just leave them alone. The maximum rate you monitor can deal with should be in your manual, or you can just try to use the windows tab we were at earlier, if you try a refresh rate that doesn't work at your resolution i.e. you cant see the screen, it will revert back to the Last working frequency in 15 seconds….

Once your done making a new monitor information file go back to the windows monitor display settings page. Right click on the desktop, properties, settings, advanced, monitor. Select the properties button next to your monitor data, then the 'Driver' tab, then 'update driver', 'then 'install from specific location', then 'Don't search etc...', then next, then select 'Have disk', choose your new driver, windows will install it.
Reboot (this is important).

Your open GL refresh rate should be better. If you've completely screwed things up and cant see anything, head to safe mode (which always defaults to 60hz), fix your driver and give it another shot. I hope this helped at least one of you out there. Have fun http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif