Where did my Horror go?
 

i had a mage waiting for horrors and when one appeared, i casted hellbind heart on him, yet when i check my armies in that region i can't find my horror http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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You can't take over a horror. They just die. It's one way to survive getting attacked by one, though. If it works.

[ February 09, 2004, 22:12: Message edited by: Bowlingballhead ]

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nuts, time i scrapped the army of horror theory then.

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You can wish for them, as I understand it. Or cast Send Horror, of course. Wonderful spell. Doesn't kill too many people, but scatters an army like chaff.

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Wishing for a Doom Horror and giving it the Gift of Reason is . . . fun. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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You should rename this thread to "Where my horror at?!"

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Only if he (a Swede) wants to sound like some punk American street kid who never bothered to learn decent English because he was too lazy to pay attention in school. Instead, he shows that, as is often the case, Europeans can write better English than those who grew up supposedly being taught the language from an early age. Most Europeans make a great effort to try to use properly what to them is a foreign language. Alas, most of my fellow citizens cannot claim the same regarding their own language, much less anyone else's. It's shameful, really. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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Boy, you illin. Hell, you buggin.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Not really their own: they use a borrowed language. So they've got an excuse http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I would have written 'where did my horror went', is it right ?? (genuinely asking the question, without irony, english is not my native language)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, it's not right.

But not being a native English speaker, I can't explain the rule in English, since I lack the technical vocabulary.

In French it would be :
Lorsque l'on pose une question (en Anglais), on utilise l'auxiliaire to do suivi de l'infinitif sans to (sauf pour les verbes qui sont deja des auxiliaires, to have, to be, et les formes du passé ou on utilise deja un auxiliaire, comme le passé composé). C'est donc l'auxiliaire qui se conjugue (ici, au passé, do devient did) et le verbe lui-même reste invariable (ici, go). Exemples :
Where do I go ?
Where does he go ?
Where did he go ?
Where has he gone ?
On notera que dans le dernier cas, on utilise deja l'auxiliaire to have du passé composé, on ne va donc pas rajouter un second auxiliaire
...

P.S. Murphy's law guarantees that the one time I try to explain proper grammar, I'll make a mistake somewhere, so let me apologize in advance http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Correct would be "Where has my horror gone?", or "My horror went where?"

'Gone' is an adjective. 'Went' is a verb. You do not end a sentence with a verb in English, though it is the common way to do things in many non-English Languages.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is why English is such a hard language for non-natives to learn. Gone is an adjective. Look it up in the MW Online dictionary. The context makes it a past participle (of the word 'go'). It is 'inconsistencies' such as this that drive people nuts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

And yes, the second sentence I gave is, indeed, poor grammar. But it is very common usage. How many times have you heard a phrase like "My son did what?" or "She went where?" Bad grammar to an English teacher, but normal speech in everyday life. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

OTOH, a statement like "Where my horror at?" is only to be heard by children not yet old enough to have gone to school and been taught the rudiments of grammar -- which they tend to forget just a few short years later in their teen years And by those same older kids, and adults, who wish to sound 'cool' by rejecting the manners of society, in this case language, and using a slang dialect that attempts to exclude those that wouldn't be caught sounding that stupid. {yes, I hate rap-crap music, too} http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is why English is such a hard language for non-natives to learn. Gone is an adjective. Look it up in the MW Online dictionary. The context makes it a past participle (of the word 'go'). It is 'inconsistencies' such as this that drive people nuts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

And yes, the second sentence I gave is, indeed, poor grammar. But it is very common usage. How many times have you heard a phrase like "My son did what?" or "She went where?" Bad grammar to an English teacher, but normal speech in everyday life. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

OTOH, a statement like "Where my horror at?" is only to be heard by children not yet old enough to have gone to school and been taught the rudiments of grammar -- which they tend to forget just a few short years later in their teen years And by those same older kids, and adults, who wish to sound 'cool' by rejecting the manners of society, in this case language, and using a slang dialect that attempts to exclude those that wouldn't be caught sounding that stupid. {yes, I hate rap-crap music, too} http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">All right, I can accept that gone is also an adjective. My own language, French, also has some words who are both part participles and adjectives. But in this context it was clearly a past participle http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
And I found English rather pleasant and easy to learn, compared to my native French, or my first foreign language German. When it comes to inconsistencies and exceptions, French really shines. One short example : adjectives are usually placed after the noun they qualify. Except, of course, those exceptions that are placed before. And those that can be placed before or after, whichever you choose. And then, you have a few rare adjectives that actually change meaning, depending whether they are placed before or after.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have friends who are native Spanish speakers who say about English what you say about French. Guess it's all a matter of perspective. I found learning French in secondary school to be rather easy. But I had the advantage of already being fluent in Spanish, a very similar language, by then. German (which I studied in college), OTOH, wasn't all that hard for me either. Nor was learning snippets of Turkish, and an African tongue, when I was age twenty. I suppose I just have a natural affinity for Languages. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

BTW, I've enjoyed your AAR. Aren't you due to post another installment? Soon, we hope? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ February 10, 2004, 14:03: Message edited by: Arryn ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">En anglais elle serait:
When one poses a question (in English), one uses the auxiliary "to do" followed by an infinitive without "to" (excepting those verbs that already auxiliaries, "to have", "to be", and the tenses where one already uses an auxiliary, such as the present perfect). The auxiliary is thus conjugated (here, in the past tense, "do" becomes "did") and the verb itself is invariable (here, "go"). Examples:
Where do I go ?
Where does he go ?
Where did he go ?
Where has he gone ?
One should note that in the Last case, one already is using an auxiliary "to have" present perfect, so one will not add a second auxiliary...

A few points:
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• <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The grammar you describe is correct. The terms are not. You're actually refering to two different tenses: emphatic past ("to do") and present perfect ("to have"). Et les deux sont comparable au passé composé...</font>
• <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">C'est pas grave. Vous écrivez très bien l'anglais, et vous avez bien expliqué les principes, même si vous ne savez pas la vocabulaire technique. La plupart des Américains ne la savent pas non plus. (Désolé pour vous avoir comparé aux Américains...)</font>
• <font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">J'ai pensé toujours qu'on n'utilise jamais des majuscules pour commencé les noms des langues en français. Est-ce que je me suis trompé ?</font>

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">
[Edit: I should perhaps note that my translation is what the explanation would be in corrupted English. Normally, one uses "you" rather than "one" in discourse of this sort...]

[ February 10, 2004, 15:42: Message edited by: E. Albright ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've run into plenty of francophones expressing comparable sentiments. Frankly, I think the difficulty of English grammar is overrated. Stateside, said reputation smacks a bit of Yankee arrogance, IMNPHO. I for one found it none too daunting (compared to French, for example). But then, I was raised in a household where complex language was spoken on a regular basis, and started reading excessively at a young age. I also grew up without the benifit of Ye Olde Electronic Babysitter. Not that this is necessarily relevant, but one's always tempted to draw corrolations...

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Weeell... That depends on whom you ask. A linguist would say that you do in fact end sentences in English. [S]->[VP]->[NP VP]->[N V]. E.g., "He left." Those individuals trying to impose linguistic homogeny, eliminate regional variation, and otherwise quash langauge evolution are more likely to assert that, no, it's like this. Of course, langauge evolution is a Bad Thing in terms of mutual intercomprehensibility. But it's also inevitable, and the standardization of language tends to become political. As do most things. 'Cept if ya reckon that they'uns what ain't in power're the folk who make up all-a these rules. So one ought to be wary, and seek some semblence of balance.

Wow. I've drifted rather far afield, haven't I? Geez. I guess I really don't want to be working on my program, as I should be...

H'm. My Last sentence seems to parse under standard English despite ending its with a verb. Mayhaps the sociolinguistic rant was irrelevant, at that. Or maybe I'm drifting into colloquial English. Arrgh!

[ February 10, 2004, 15:40: Message edited by: E. Albright ]

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Dang... one little comment about language and this thread has completely gone off subject. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This must be an example of that "language evolution" you alluded to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Another common example of this is "irregardless".

(For those who care, the former should have said "mutual comprehension", and the latter "regardless". The extra prefixes are redundant. Unless one is making a joke by knowingly butchering the language.) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, it's all your fault, you miscreant. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Your punishment is to use Microsoft Word for 8 hours a day, for 30 days, with the grammar checker enabled. If you remain sane (assuming you are to begin with), which is highly unlikely, you can come back to civilized chat.

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Aryyn, I've been feebleminded for as long as I can remember.

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It reminds me of an Online dictionary on the web, which had many descriptions of concatenated words, like for example rejewination, the act of seeing his rabbin. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

(nothing about religion here, it was just the example on top of my mind).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Which is why I didn't even try to say it in English. I learned half of these rules in French, half of them in English, and don't remember half the technical terms in any case...

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Exact. C'est une mauvaise habitude que j'ai prise, comme d'écrire adresse avec 2 d

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This must be an example of that "language evolution" you alluded to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh, if only it were true.

Merriam-Webster Online definition for "inter-"

Look at definition 8. Eleventh line down.

[Tho' yeah, I was layin' it on a little thick. This is what happens when one absentmindedly changes one's locution halfway through. The inclusion of mutual was excessive, needless, unnecessary, redundent, gratuitous, and superfluous.]

[ February 10, 2004, 17:13: Message edited by: E. Albright ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This must be an example of that "language evolution" you alluded to. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh, if only it were true.
Merriam-Webster Online definition for "inter-"

Look at definition 8. Eleventh line down.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ack! Ick! Eek! Egads!

Sigh. What's the world coming to? (Please don't answer that, btw.)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't know about the others here, but I'm enjoying it. BTW, you left out "surplus", "extraneous", "nonessential", "dispensable", "exorbitant", "extravagant", "untempered", and "overboard". And combined that's less than half the synonyms ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Correct would be "Where has my horror gone?", or "My horror went where?"

'Gone' is an adjective. 'Went' is a verb. You do not end a sentence with a verb in English, though it is the common way to do things in many non-English Languages. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Gone is a past participle, not an adjective. As for your second sentence, it is not grammatically correct... I guess English is your native language http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif