Are Racial modifiers additive
 

If I choose the major option that gives me 125% production, and then further adjust my production modifiers with the available attribute adjustments so that Production is enhanced by 20 more percentage points, will I gain the full racial production bonus of 45%?

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yes, but for planet basedyards only as the 125% doesn't apply for space stations. team that with temporal ship yards and you get ugly results >8)

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You should probably refer to it as construction rate. Production typically refers to resources (and sometimes research/intel) that you are producing.

Like Triumvir mentioned, if you take the +25% planetary space yard advanced trait, that's added to your construction racial setting - but just for planets.

With temporal space yards, a bonus to construction, the +25% trait, and a population construction bonus, you can get your construction rate to over 10K per turn on huge planets and ring/sphere worlds without too much trouble. Hope that helps.

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Well, I was talking primarily hypothetically....I just wanted to make sure that the bonuses from the two diff screens added together and weren't capped or mutually exclusive.

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A lot of times a bonus is listed as a seperate line item under ability even though they are additive, sometimes they have the wrong sign infront of them,...
merchant +5% to maintenance???
if you take a 20% bonus on maintenance you would expect to pay 1/5th less maintenance cost, not so. you pay 25% maintenance on ships, and you subtract 20% bonus, you only pay 5% maintenance on your ship.

the only way to check is to start a dummy game and do a little calculating to see what happened.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Triumvir Emphy:
A lot of times a bonus is listed as a seperate line item under ability even though they are additive, sometimes they have the wrong sign infront of them,...
merchant +5% to maintenance???
if you take a 20% bonus on maintenance you would expect to pay 1/5th less maintenance cost, not so. you pay 25% maintenance on ships, and you subtract 20% bonus, you only pay 5% maintenance on your ship.

the only way to check is to start a dummy game and do a little calculating to see what happened.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aw Ha..

That explains why when I tested a race with 80% maintenance it did so poorly. I was getting 125% - 80% = 45 % maintenance costs. In 3 months the maintenance costs exceed the original costs!

If I change the game parameter to be 10% maintenance and take 120% will I get resources having ships? (110% - 120% = -10%)?

Has Malfador heard of something called division?

25% / .80 = 31% (first example)
10% / 1.2 = 8.3% (second example)



[This message has been edited by Commander G (edited 15 February 2001).]

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Now you've confused this poor Aggie.....someone go over that again please....

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he is right,....

maintenance is 25%, so if a ship cost 1000 minerals you pay 250 a turn in maintenance.
if you take a 20% bonus in maintenance you subtract that, 25%-20% = 5%
now you pay only 50 minerals per turn for your 1000 mineral ship.
if you take the merchant culture at +5% maintenance bonus
25%-(20%+5%)= 0%
you pay NO maintenance.

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Yep, 0 maintenance. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif I came across this Last month when I realized that they didn't change the cultures when modifying how maintenance worked, so that merchant and engineering now were much more powerful. It ended up being a total non-issue for the TG contest, not sure if it'd be a big deal for a normal game, but I doubt it.

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you are adding +5% to your bonus,.. i know it sounds screwy, but this isn't the first goof. Hey everybody is human, i think this program has less flaws than most "programs" i have to get working for my customers.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nitram Draw:
I"m still a little confused, o.k. stop your laughing http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.
This is how I read it. Adding 5 to my production means my base production rate goes from 100% to 105%. Adding 5 to my maintenance rate means my base maintenance cost goes from 100% to 95%.
Am I missing something?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup. What you're missing is that the base maintenance cost does not start at 100%. It starts at 25%, that is, 25% of the original cost of the item. If you have a 5% improvement, that would be 25% - 5% = 20% so that your maintenance cost would be 20% of the cost of the item. Compared to 25%, it would also be a 20% savings in maintenance costs. If, however, you had a 20% improvement in maintenance costs, your maintenance costs would be 25% - 20% = 5% of the original cost of the item for an overall maintenance cost savings of 80%. Hope this helps. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif

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It helps.
None of the other modifiers actually subtract from the base do they?
I guess from your explanation that the numbers are not percentage increases or decreases. I took the numbers to be a percentage of the base amoumt. A change of 5 in the maintenance is really a 20% change.
Guess it should be toned down.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>None of the other modifiers actually subtract from the base do they? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only other characteristic that is modified the same way is reproduction. Note that minimum reproduction is 91% because the starting reproduction base is 10%.

[This message has been edited by Daynarr (edited 16 February 2001).]

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I"m still a little confused, o.k. stop your laughing http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon7.gif.
This is how I read it. Adding 5 to my production means my base production rate goes from 100% to 105%. Adding 5 to my maintenance rate means my base maintenance cost goes from 100% to 95%.
Am I missing something?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daynarr:
Only other characteristic that is modified the same way is reproduction. Note that minimum reproduction is 91% because the starting reproduction base is 10%.
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Ahhh. I wondered why it wouldn't go lower than 91%. Thanks!