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DirectorTsaarx February 16th, 2001 03:31 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Should work on rock & ice planets; but not on gas giants. Game does not allow a planet of "Gas Giant/No Atmosphere".

Triumvir Emphy February 16th, 2001 03:35 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
it should convert to whatever is your population atmosphere

Sinapus February 16th, 2001 05:37 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Would be amusing if had 'none' as your atmosphere and you built a converter on a gas giant planet and when it was finished the giant would vanish. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif




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Sinapus February 16th, 2001 05:37 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Would be amusing if had 'none' as your atmosphere and you built a converter on a gas giant planet and when it was finished the giant would vanish. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif


(There aren't any AI races that have 'none' as atmosphere, so this shouldn't be too crippling for AI players.)

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Commander G February 16th, 2001 08:06 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Players who take 'none' for their atmosphere ought to be able to colonize Astroids since they have fewer planets than any other race design. Huge planets with no atmostphere are extremely rare. Usually no atmosphere worlds are small. It looks from the Planets.txt file that they intended to allow colonizing astroids. It must be something they decided not to implement or they have not gotten around to it yet.

With remote mining being so costly, the only thing astroids are good for is turning into planets late in the game.

Triumvir Emphy February 16th, 2001 08:12 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
the reason to pick none would be to handicap yourself while playing a weaker oponent.

Nyx February 16th, 2001 10:22 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
IF you look in the component's files, there's an image for a colony on a gas giant with no atmosphere. http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif No joke, it's really in there.

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Tomgs February 16th, 2001 10:22 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Actually there are a lot of "none" planets out there you just call them moons http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif. A no atmosphere start isn't that much of a handicap really. I started doing it for that reason but the time you save with atmosphere converters in the mid game makes up for a little worse start. And almost every system with worlds will have at least one moon and usually 4 or 5. Thats more than most atmosphere types. Sure they are tiny but they are all over. Great for advance military bases and resupply depots. The biggest handicap is that you will get no Gas giant planets with your atmosphere. That is only a problem untill you conquer your first other empire then you will have other atmosphere types to breathe. The Neutral expansion pack from Universal shipyards includes a neutral player with "none" as its atmosphere type and you can easily mod the atmosphere type that any AI has. I changed quite a few default atmosphere types in my game because the overwelming majority of downloadable races have oxygen/rock as their HW type. It seems to balance out the races somewhat if all of them aren't competing for the same planets at he beginning.

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alasyr February 17th, 2001 02:01 AM

Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Can atmosphere tpye other than none (methane, oxygen, hydrogen, carbon dioxide) be changed using atmopheric converters to no atmosphere (none) ?.

pathfinder February 17th, 2001 02:16 AM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
don't believe so. In my experience they have always changed "other" atmosphere to "my" atmosphere.

alasyr February 17th, 2001 02:20 AM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
but what if "my" atmosphere is "no" atmosphere.

Markavian February 17th, 2001 01:19 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Which reminds me
::must fix small bug in neutral expansion pack and add a few doxen more races::

Also, what does happen when you build an atmospheric converter on a gas giant?!

Also, think of this. If you race breathes 'no atmosphere' - then they don't breathe! yes no?

If they don't breathe, they can live wherever they want, even in a vaccuum!!

Think about that! MM sorta messed up ont hat idea unless someone wants to prove me otherwise.

And what happened to Chlorine planets? I made an entire SE3 Empire who breathed chlorine, (Go see the UCEmpire @ USy) - I had to make them Oxygen 'gas giant' instead http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/images/icons/icon9.gif

henk brouwer February 17th, 2001 04:26 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Markavians:
[b]Which reminds me
::must fix small bug in neutral expansion pack and add a few doxen more races::

Also, what does happen when you build an atmospheric converter on a gas giant?!

Also, think of this. If you race breathes 'no atmosphere' - then they don't breathe! yes no?

If they don't breathe, they can live wherever they want, even in a vaccuum!!

Think about that! MM sorta messed up ont hat idea unless someone wants to prove me otherwise.

B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Two of the expansion pack neutrals live on "none" worlds

The "none" worlds are all vacuum worlds, like our moon I guess
Maybe the creatures living on them need a vacuum, for some reason higher air pressure could kill them, or make life harder (explains the lower population levels on other atmosphere worlds). robotic races could survive easily on vacuum worlds. The neutral race you are referring to(Zjirnish or something, can't remember how I named them) doesn't really live in a vacuum but in subsurface oceans.

Actually one of jupiters moons, Europa, that also lacks an atmosphere is suspected of having huge subsurface oceans of liquid water, follow this link for more information:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...an_000824.html

About the bug fix for the neutral race, I might do some work on an improved AI for the neutral races after the patch.

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pathfinder February 17th, 2001 05:47 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Markavians: chlorine breathers? Like that "evil" race in EE "Doc" Smiths novels?

that would be a great idea if we could setup a chlorine breathing race....

This started me to thinking (VERY dangerous!). Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe "all" one would have to do is modify the following files with the correct settings are the SectType.txt file (to include the planet size/atmosphere), SystemTypes&gt;txt data file with a line that adds chlorine atmosphere and then some .bmp of chlorine planets to the planets subfolder in the picture folder.

The first two would be fairly easy...that Last one not sure how to include the .bmp to that compiled pic .bmp....anyone know how (size of the planet pic for that?)? ach, don't have to add any pics; just calls to green ones already there, just have to make sure they go with planet size http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

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Markavian February 18th, 2001 08:11 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
I don't think you can actually! I believe we might have to wait until the next patch is out.

a while back when I was making my first SE4 PLanets extension the game crashed when I changed those settings.

pathfinder February 18th, 2001 08:46 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
yup, I tried adding chlorine as an atmosphere but, while it didn't crash, it DID come up with nothing loaded but the credits and the exit button. DOH!

I did email Aaron/MM to see if this maybe considered sometime down the road http://www.shrapnelgames.com/ubb/ima...ons/icon12.gif

Nyx February 19th, 2001 08:39 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Hmm, has anyone experimented with swapping planet types and atmospheres on the research trees & colony components? I'm just thinking that it would be more fun to have 5 colony types to research instead of only 3. Right now, sure they're expensive, but I steal the tech anyway and it's really fast. More variety could be a lot of fun. PRobably be to hard on the AI though.

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raynor February 19th, 2001 08:42 PM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Yep. Folks have tried it and failed. I'm thinking that Rock, Ice and Gas Giant are hard coded into the game engine someplace.

pathfinder February 20th, 2001 12:39 AM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
ack, can't be done Nyx. I emailed MM/Aaron yesterday and today he respponded. planet-types and atmospheres are hard-coded into the game. oh well, I wouldn't call a change to that a prioroty at the moment. Might be nice sometime in the future, IF he has the time.

Nyx February 20th, 2001 01:26 AM

Re: Can some atmosphere be changed to none ?
 
Yeah, it's not a big deal, especially with that option to ban colonizing worlds other than your own home type and atmosphere. THAT's going to be really interesting!

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