MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Where are the massive newbie games? I checked a website...to which I for some reason cannot register yet and the game was filled in under a couple of hours.

Just trying to rule the world. You create a stable internet connection, bury your whole base in a ton of concrete and hescos to create stability and you still can't get into a game.

Ok...so that wasn't to get into a game, but still there should be a ton of newbies out there.

Christopher

[ July 02, 2004, 17:35: Message edited by: Zen ]

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

i would like to participate in a newbie game too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
i have the game since ~ 10 days so i am i would say still a quite bloody newbie http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

If you are going to start a newbie game, I would like to enter.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

I would like to join if you start a game also.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

with how many players do you want to play ?
i would like to try ryleh or arco i think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Could I be Caelum?

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

I would like to be Abysia

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

so im a real newbie. just got my copy week a go.
how do i sign up? id like to play ulm with black forest theme.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

posting again. i think i can manage to put up a extremely-newbies-only-gameserver tomorrow. well actually today.. ill post details later. somewhat 15:00-. ìf i manage to put it up, it will be on-line server. hopefully there will enough people for a good game. but of course something can go terribly wrong. and no game shall be played. terrible things happen. but lets hope not. terrible might be something like unpassable firewall..

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

You know I like your positive outlook! Never a word of negitivity about the server! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

I would really like to get into my first multi-player game!

Christopher

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

thumbs up.

im puttin up server, all right, but theres some things to solve before thats heppening. im going to put up a linuxcomp for a server and things like that. maybe day after tomorrow.

somethings about the game settings. its going to be ,independents 7, normal riches, only few magic sites (35. normal is 40), aran map. 8 to 10 humanplayers. no comps. only newbies without serios mp-experience are welcome:) or maybe some veteran could join in and try extremely bizarre tactics..

i think it would be a good idea to blitz first 20-40 turns in one night/morning/evening/day depending on which timezone you are at. and after the blitz one turn every 24h. or faster if everybody involved maakes their moves.

i`ve heard bad things about clamhoarding and vampire queen. they are Banned in some mp-games (so i read from the threads). could somebody explain why are these things so vicious. vampire queen is obvious (but she was remade in the patch, so is she still too powerful for mp-games?), and what is this thing called clamhoarding? if its very bad, then its Banned.

any requests for the game?

and yeah, no quiters, castlers and cheaters plz.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

That´s good news!
I'm a really newbie, and never played MP, so I think I qualify for this game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
I think it's a good idea to make the first 20-40 turns in the same day, but could it be in the weekend please?
I don't have any idea about what is clamhoarding http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

good news http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
clamhording is the following :
there is a artefact which is called clam of pearls . you get it with conjuration 2 .
you need water 2 to forge it . cost is 10 gems . it is a misc item .
it produces 1 astral pearl each turn .

i tried it now in my current single player game as atlantis . if you are left alone after 40-50 turns this is really devastating . i have now a bonus income of 120 astral pearls at turn 60 .
but only atlantis is really good at it ihmo .
they have 5 water pearls / turn from capitol site and water 3 national mages .
only other nation with water 2+ national mages which you don't get only via lucky random magic pick like ryleh is caelum . but they have only 2 water pearls / turn from their capitol site and are not quite unattackable in the beginning like atlantis .

so i would suggest building clams is allowed . only if someone really plays atlantis we should think about it . but for everybody else it will be like +10 astral pearls at turn 40 so that is not that bad http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

concerning the vq : i know that it was weakened in 2.12 : forbidden for ermor , cost increased from 110 to 150 and dominion decreased from 2 to 1 . so i would say if anybody wants to take a vq pretender he may http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

is ermor ae or sg allowed too ?

what do you mean with no castlers ? cause depending on which nation i play with some i choose the watchtower and when i chose the watchtower i try to build one in most of my provinces .
if i instead play a nation with good national troops i mostly choose the castle and so i build not many of them .
but if anyone chooses the watchtower why should he not be allowed to try to build one in every of his provinces ?

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey) *DELETED*
 

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Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sooo ... would you say that clam hording is broken or not? How about if Atlantis is not in the game? I suppose that gives another advantage to caelum and they don't really need it!

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Clamhoarding is the general practice of building the Clam of Pearls or similar items, harvesting the income, alchemizing it BACK into the source material, and then producing more clams. In order to really qualify as "hoarding", I feel that the reverse-alchemy is the criteria: If you only build them with your natural, useless water gem income, you're not really hoarding.
[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">what other items are there to hoard gems ?
i remember reading in one post there is one with earth gems anything else ? and is one as profitable / cheap as clamhording ? and which nation do you think is best for clamhording norfleet ? i read a post were people said you are the expert for this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ( and for most other things too but especially for this and ermor/vq http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif )

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

The reason I am asking is that I am considering starting up a new game ( if I can find somewhere to host it .. I do have static IP's but my old linux box is dead and I really don't feel like going through the pain to setup another one ).

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

hey ho silver! players ahead! well met!

by castling and clamhoarding i mean everything stormbinder says in following thread. i would not like to see this upcoming game turn in to a show off of a few hardcore gamers, who know how to get the best of the game. knowing the flaws and faults of it. and by this message i dont intend to start a flamewar between different schools of players. i, myself, am more of a roleplayer type of gamer. so if you agree with almost everything that stormbinder says about the game ethics in following thread, then you are welcome in my game. this game is meant to new players. i have not played dominions2 multiplayer before and sure as hell i dont want it to end like the one i`ve taken for example.

http://www.gonegold.com/ubb/ultimate...;f=11;t=002168

as for the ermor question. i have no answer. i`ve never played multiplayer before, nor have i played ermor in singleplayer. only experience of
ermor is though easy comp. and it kicked my *** big time.. vampire queen is okay.

so as i`ve said before. i dont know much about setting up a good, balanced game. but if somebody knows the basic houserules for a enjoyable multiplayer game. then please share thy wisdom with i and i`s friends. does somebody know good restrictions to clamhoarding?

maybe the first houserule could be that you follow the link. read the thread through. and then decide that do you want to take part to this upcoming game.

it would be nice if gods would have names that sound like names of gods. so no n00b or AzzFuKz kind of names:) you all know what i mean. and by newbies i dont mean the ones who have not played the game versus comp. you have to know how the game works, not getting your god killed in very first rounds.

as for the starting time, we have to discuss that later. next weekend i`m off to countryside, so thats out of the question.

-drool, the drooling god. one with many, and foolish enough to take ulm with black forest theme as his chosen nation.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

As a general rule you should not play by a set of rules unless you've played by them before and can attest to their veracity. It would bode very ill for MP newbies to start playing with rules around "no castles, no clams, no pretenders that have more than 10 hp" because once you would like to play in other games, it's going to limit your choices, because the greater percentage of players think those rules are precisely *for* newbies, and if you can't learn how to fight against them, then you will always 'lose' because of them.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'd have to say that the "best" clamhoarding nation would probably be Atlantis: It has a large starting water gem income, national mages that can forge clams out of the box, and easy access to a random Earth-2 on a King of the Deep for boots, and then hammers. Furthermore, it has an underwater position that is difficult for other players to attack. R'lyeh shares many similar characteristics, as well as having effective things it can do OTHER than hoarding clams, but Atlantis still takes the prize on pure clamhoarding.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

thanks for your wise and guiding words zen. i really like this game, and i was frightened to death when i read that thread i linked. "but now i'm enlightened by your words. and i let myself to be guided by your wisdom. and there shall not be any restrictions. let us learn from our own mistakes." my mp experience is restricted to blizzards warcraft3 on battle.net.and its kinda different out there, i tell you. so i`m sorry if i came out kinda offensive in start. sorry `bout that. but read the thread and you get the idea why i was feeling that way. not meaning to be sarcastic in any way, zen.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

You should go ahead and play this game with those rules, since it was started with them in place. But in the future, you should look towards not limiting your games or it will impede your MP progress. If you don't mind or don't care about being more competitive in MP and only want to play with your friends, go ahead and play with House Rules, they are there to make the game 'funner' for some people. But if you would like to not get frustrated playing other people than your friends, I would try to stay away from strict limitations.

I hope you have fun Drool, there are plenty of people on the forum who can help you as your game progresses, though you had better keep it on the hush hush if your opponents read this board. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

I am in agreement on the zero restrictions. But the bigger question is when do we start playing and I like the Karan map too. Nice and big.

Christopher

I'm up for any nation really. I just want to start picking nations and get ready to play http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

hi y`all.

i think that norfleet is right about both things. it will be hard to get 8 to 10 people together for a play from forums. and if we do get, aran will be too crowded for us. so if people show up, then we play karan or some other big map, which ever gets the most votes. but if we get like 4to6 playas, then i prefer to stick with the nice aran.map. it has history. and its my personal favorite. enough coaststal lines, forests and mountains.

about the starting. you have to give me a little time to get that other comp working properly. so there will hopefull be no server off-line Messages. tuesday? wednesday? but people have to go to work, so if we make that jumpstart, it`ll have to be weekend. and for me next weekend ain`t going to be happening.. what can i say? i`d play you right away. but.. theres always a big but.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Well, if you're really eager to get a game rolling, you might want to try hanging out on the IRC #dominions channel on irc.gamesurge.net. It's been fairly quiet lately, but if enough people showed up and were ready to play at any given time, you could get a spontaneous quickstart game going. This has its good, bad, and ugly points, though.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Drool: if you can't start the game next weekend, maybe we could start it next wednesday or thursday, and in the weekend of 10-11 July we could make 20-30 turns in the same day (not the first turns, but...)

I would like to be Abysia http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

drool can you please repost the settings / rules ?
if you chose to keep them as you listed in your starting post just say you keep them but plz post additional info on the following :
- random events common / rare ?
- research difficulty ?
- standard victory or with vp ? if vp how much are there on the whole map and how much to win ?

if it is allowed and not already taken by someone else i would like to try ermor instead .

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

for tannath. yes your request is ok. wednesday/thursday sounds good. and rush next weekend. maybe on both days.

settings:
humans only. starting provinces1, ind7, normal richnes, magic sites 35, random events common, research normal, standard victory. one turn for 24h. map aran. (norfleet said that aran would be too crowded for 8 people. yeah maybe, but isn`t it the idea of the game that weaker pretenders tend to die, and only strongest will survive and deserve to mutiply?)(oh,i just had to say that:)). i like the look of parganos too. and its bigger than aran. desert eye goes fine too, it just got to be unwrapparounded first.
and about glamhoarding and similar. its up to you how you play the game.

no vps in my plans. but if people like idea of few vp locations to strenghten dominions, and for something to fight for. its okay to me.
standard victory conditions anyway.
tell me what you think.

ermor is okay too.
i dunno thought of the other players..

how many people are coming to play?

boron-ermor
tannath-abysia
drool-ulm
jd-sherrey-anything goes?
starswarsluke-caelum
huzurdaddi-were you interested?
is this true or false?
anybody else?

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

There's a few other problems with Aran than mere crowding: Firstly, the map is not terribly well balanced for large crowds, as there are a very large number of very ****ty starting positions out on the peninsula. With 8 people, somebody's going to end up being screwed by getting stuck there with 3 other equally screwed suckers. While the map is great and has a lot of story in single player, it's badly balanced for multiplayer.

You're all welcome to discover this for yourself, though. After all, discovering which maps suck for what conditions is a part of being a newbie. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Just don't say I didn't warn you!

[ June 29, 2004, 17:37: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Sorry about this but would it be possible to start the game on saturday instead of wedensday/thursday because I doubt I will be able to take my turn on wedensday, thursday or friday though i might be able to. Also a second question. By humans only you are talking about pretenders right? Would it be ok to use a Arch Seraph?

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

It's not exactly balanced, but that is half the fun of playing on Aran, is if you get one of those so called '****ty' positions right on the coast. It definitely puts the game in a new perspective for whatever your original playstle is. Which makes it in and of itself, fun to play on.

Every map has it's MP nuances. You'll find them out as you play on them more.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">really ? this would be very bad for me . ermor has to take a undead pretender imho .
i planned to take either a PoD or a ghost king .
you meant no computer players right ? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

sorry for being so mysterious again. i mean that all players will be humans. so no vs. comps. any pretender will do. this game is open for for any kind of playstyles. it wasn`t when i started to put it up. but then i got some guidance `bout setting up a necomersgame. so now it is.
however, i still recommend you read this thread and the one i`ve previously linked. so you get some idea of what i had in mind when i started to blah blah..

next thursday seems to be ok for 1/2 of us, how about remaining 1/2? the game is still open for a few new people. and theres still one big question. what timezone are you guys an gals from? this little noob is from helsinki, so its 21:15 here and now.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

I would like in as Jotunheim please

Pickles

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Cool settings
I would like to play as Abysia.
I am in Portugal, it's 22:30 now.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

& I am in london posting at 23.32

Pickles

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

I would like to play as Vanhiem if you don't have any complaints?

JDScherrey

I agree with the settings. I map will be interesting...

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

i am from germany
so gmt +1

i am tensed to see how beeing ermor turns out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Posting at 9:42.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

so we are all from hour there hour here area. it'll be no problem to gather at thursday evening/latenight?

vanheim, no complaints. borons ermor, i could start yappin, but wont be http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif (i did some research. i tried ermor with soul gate theme. same settings that we are going to have in our game. five normal comp opponents.
i controlled 3/4 map and had wasted two rival pretenders by the turn 60.. i had lich queen as my pretender. i just roamed around countryside and kept raising army. but it`ll be interesting, interesting indeed, to see how mp will turn out to be. will ermor be able to corrupt all lands? of course it will be entirely different situation when every opponent is controlled by human.) some *****ing after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif
it'll be deadly. ermor that is.

there is six of us now. no word from huzurdaddi yet? is he still around?

it would be nice to have somebody playing with some human nation. besides me i mean.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

The computer is exceptionally bad at coping with Ermor. A human player can adapt to both forms of Ermor easily enough, and I, personally, see fighting Ermor as my ticket to a full HoF takeover.

However, Ermor may be very brutal against newbies who aren't quite as adept at mass destruction.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Quoting
" so we are all from hour there hour here area. "

That means all european players cool.


"it'll be no problem to gather at thursday evening/latenight?"

I think you need to add dates to these Messages now. If you meant today that is OK with me (or next week)


"it would be nice to have somebody playing with some human nation. besides me i mean. "

I could be Ulm instead - I was goint to use it in a game that feel through.

Pickles

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

i am quite bad with ermor i think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
and 35% magic sites + indies lvl 7 are settings not in favour of ermor http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

i have much more fear of abysia and caelum http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
most in fact of abysia http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

if it is really a problem though then i play ryhleh as suggested in my first post since it is still free so far i can see http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">drool is already ulm i think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Boron "drool is already ulm i think http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif "

Doh! I was just checking that (& getting Drool's
name). You can't do it once you have started the message so I was going to edit.

Jotun it is then.

It might be useful to edit the first or second post to show the players & races so that it is easy to find.

Pickles

[ July 01, 2004, 09:19: Message edited by: Pickles ]

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

starting at thursday d08m07y2004.maybe 20:30?

boron-ermor (ermor is not a problem, really!)
pickles-jotun
starswarsluke-caelum
jdsherrey-vanheim
tannath-abysia
drool-ulm
?-?
?-?


i forgot something, but it doesn`t matter cause i cant remember it.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

for me it's ok.
And Boron, you don't need to be afraid of abysia, I am a really bad player (I never played MP, but against the AI...) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

So I guess you wouldn't be willing to start the the game on the tenth instead of the eigth? In that case I will not be able to join the game. Sorry for the inconvinence.

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

oh starswarsluke! you said couple of Posts ago that thursday would be fine to you. or thats how i understood it. but now that i re-read it, i got it all wrong.. darned. you seem to be pretty interested of this game, and id really like to have you in it. so im willing to go with the saturday start. maybe its better so.
this way we can blitz right away. is this ok with rest of you? please tell me the exact time you`re ready match. could you? somebodys going to work? going to have a hangover, or something like that? on saturday.
(i might be working/having hangover, debends on situation at work..)

100704 am/pm??

Re: MP Game - Newbie Game (by JDScherrey)
 

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, for waiting until Saturday. Anyhow as for time of the match I would be ready anytime after 6:00 p.m. my time (-7 hours for server time). I'm sorry if I had accidently made you think there was less of a time diffrence because you said "so we are all from hour there hour here area" I should have written A.M. on the time I was posting at sorry. If this is inconvinent for the rest of you I will of course gladly not join the game but by anytime after 6:00 p.m, I mean that literally.