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Some time ago, Norfleet spread a rumour claiming Saber Cherry's death, saying:
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">and
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wrote to SC, and after a long silence she replied with:
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Just thought I'd pass that on.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Heh, "Fish" and "April" in the same sentence - for a Frenchman at least, it's an obvious clue that the information is bogus. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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if someone is not as perpetually on irc/the Boards/making turns in games as norfleet, he claims they have died in some gruesome manner. that's just one of the things he does, and should not be taken as a serious suggestion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Sugoi!

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Hello everyone! When I learned of my death, I was going to post here to deny it (or maybe confirm it, but that would be a little shady). But the Boards were kinda down yesterday=) Anyway, it's so nice to feel loved! *sniff* =)

I posted a little screenshot (bottom link) of my progress... to show that I'm not ignoring the Dominions community just to be mean:) Please don't make fun of my artwork; I'm doing my best!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, that's just when I start suspecting you might have died. It approaches greater certainty when I hear independent rumors confirming your death.

It's nice to see that Saber Cherry is still alive, though. If he had more enemies, I'd have suspected this was some sort of trick, but since reports of his death never went beyond rumor status, meh.

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I'm really glad someone ressurrected Sabre Cherry, if only temporarily!

Good luck with the game project!

PvK

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Let me see, Saber hasn't visited these forums in a while and you claim that you "heard" that she might have died. Take a note that this is a rumour apparently only you have heard and since she was visiting this forum it's a bit weird to have such "rumour" originate from outside, isn't it. What, some of your friends in your neighbourhood (that never seen her, know where she's living, etc.) said that she may have died and you believed it?
This whole thing seems like your fabrication and quite frankly this fabrication is really sick. To spread a rumour that somebody has died just because he's not visiting forums in a while is nothing short of it.

[ July 11, 2004, 06:27: Message edited by: Daynarr ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I forget exactly how this person came about this information. Maybe he got it from somebody else. In any case, it seemed to be as plausible an explanation as any, and I had no reason to disbelieve it, as I don't have any grudge against Saber Cherry, so didn't see a need to investigate further. Had I had some sort of beef against Saber, I'd have absolutely demanded to see a body, naturally: People who you detest have an obnoxious habit of surviving death and have to be killed very thoroughly. People you don't mind, on the other hand, die at the drop of a hat. It's just the way the universe works.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I never billed it above the status of "rumor", so it's your own fault if you put more stock in it than I did. The fact remains that at the time, it was a plausible, and surprisingly common, reason for individuals spontaneously disappearing from forums where they were extremely involved in, from personal experience gained from other forums.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Just for the record, you used the word "undoubtedly" which, in most people's language, means that you are in no doubt.

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Lol, Norfleet. You have, so far displayed in these forums that you are incredibly sceptical, or to quote you:
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">from this thread http://www.shrapnelgames.com/cgi-bin...;f=74;t=003151

So you want us to belive that you heard some 3rd person that doesn't have a clue who Saber Cherry was that she died (a very likely event indeed http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif ) and posted this on the forum. Something doesn't fit, now does it?
Not to mention how likely was that this information is true and how unlikely that "sceptical" person would accept such information without "further investigation". To put it short, I don’t buy it.

And YOU and only you are the originator of this rumour in this forum so don't put a blame on anyone else, please. Even if that someone else doesn't exist. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it. Of course, I still stated it was a rumor, admittedly one which we had no reason to doubt given evidence to the contrary, unless, of course, you had some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry. But since everyone likes Saber Cherry, why would we have doubted such a thing?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, but this is a rumor about somebody's death. Somebody I have nothing against. So why would I have any reason to be concerned? Now if it had been the rumor about somebody I didn't like, such as, say, Stormbind, dying, I'd have demanded immediate verification so that appropriate action (rejoicing) could be taken. But since I have nothing against Saber Cherry, there was no reason to have to plan any kind of action in response, and therefore, no cause for such concern.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">People die every day. It's not unexpected, particularly in light of sudden disappearance. It usually means they fell into a booby trap or were captured or some other suitably unpleasant fate which awaits the unwary and careless in day to day life.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I have many things to investigate every day, such as the rumors of deaths of people I genuinely despised. If you had something against Saber Cherry, it would have been YOUR duty to investigate the rumor. I'm a busy man! I don't have time to investigate every minor rumor about matters that I am indifferent to! After all, this doesn't affect *ME* in any way. Clearly, you don't understand the manner in which my skepticism operates.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, I merely stated the rumor as a possible, consistent, cause of Saber Cherry's disappearance. I wasn't the one who originated it. I don't recall who started it, or whether the person who told me about it was the one who started it in any case, and rather than name the wrong name on accident, I'll just state that it's a name who I don't recall at the moment. I'm old and I have a long beard. My memory isn't what it used to be.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Given that I had no reason to doubt the rumor, as stated below, I therefore had no doubt about it.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Your position is logical nonsense. A rumour is, by definition, a premise that is in doubt. The full context of your "undoubtedly" remark is:

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In doubt, yes, although clearly by you, and not by me. I had no reason to care either way: I, unlike you, don't have some sort of grudge against Saber Cherry that would necessitate stalking him by email just to confirm whether or not he had died.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">... indicating that you are not in doubt that the premise (SC has died) is true.
Nuff said, I think. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That can be based on the following:
1. Saber Cherry has not harmed anyone.
2. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to have any grudge against Saber Cherry.
3. Therefore, no reasonable person had any reason to doubt that Saber Cherry's sudden and inexplicable disappearance was due to some sort of unpleasant and likely gruesome fate, as stated in the rumor.

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Dude, you are not making any sense. You seem to got lost in between your own lies and fabrications.

But it's good that everyone can see it now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, a rumour is in doubt by whoever holds it to be a rumour. You said that that you never gave it higher status than a rumour, therefore you held it to be a rumour, therefore you hold it to be in doubt. Contradicting your other statement. How clear does it have to be before you'll admit it?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">So now you're concluding that a single email, sent to confirm or refute your rumour, constitutes "stalking" and demonstrates that I have a grudge against SC?

Come back when you can make some kind of sense.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This is insane. I hope that you are just roleplaying and muckraking for your personal amusement and are not really THIS freaking nuts.

This displays a pure disregard for the value of anyone elses life, except to the extent it helps you settle any personal vendettas you might have. This attitude is the enemy of functional society.

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One out of the two is not bad, especially as the one that we still have it SC... Unfortunately, all the projects she thought up seem to be dead. I have some interest in modding, and have though about making a mod or two using the (general) ideas SC threw around... But that is a long way to go. I want to try the nations I still haven't, atleast for some turns, before I go on and make up my own.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think we've been over this before, but in truth, unless somebody has some personal meaning to me, I just don't feel anything for them. When you consider that there are over 6 billion random people on the planet, and more of them will die, and even more will sprout, then even Ashen Empire is allowed to have, the sense of impact is rather lost. So yes, it's safe to say I don't really place terribly much value on lives....because there's so much of it, and it's so perniciously difficult to be rid of, that can no longer be considered a scarce commodity as far as I'm concerned. Only when somebody is particularly important does their existence or nonexistence really matter to me. Everyone else exists in a sort of state of irrelevance: Live or die, I shrug, and life goes on.

Enemy of functional society? Hardly. You don't see me going on a rampage and killing people for no good reason. Society would actually function better if people got less worked up over everything.

Regardless, I suppose it's good to hear that Saber Cherry is still alive, at least for the moment.

[ July 11, 2004, 09:36: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think we've been over this before, but in truth, unless somebody has some personal meaning to me, I just don't feel anything for them. When you consider that there are over 6 billion random people on the planet, and more of them will die, and even more will sprout, then even Ashen Empire is allowed to have, the sense of impact is rather lost. So yes, it's safe to say I don't really place terribly much value on lives....because there's so much of it, and it's so perniciously difficult to be rid of, that can no longer be considered a scarce commodity as far as I'm concerned. Only when somebody is particularly important does their existence or nonexistence really matter to me. Everyone else exists in a sort of state of irrelevance: Live or die, I shrug, and life goes on.

Enemy of functional society? Hardly. You don't see me going on a rampage and killing people for no good reason. Society would actually function better if people got less worked up over everything.

Regardless, I suppose it's good to hear that Saber Cherry is still alive, at least for the moment. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I don't know if you realize it but you have just proven that Demosthenes is right - you are antisocial person and such persons are always destructive to themselves and to their surroundings, directly or indirectly.

If anything, this statement/attitude will alienate you from the rest of the forum quite fast. Also, there is nothing to "get over" in such attitude - it can be ignored until it materializes itself into some more solid form, like posting false rumours of someone’s death which is almost similar like going to some family and claiming that a their mother/father/someone has died. Like I said, it's sick AND it's destructive.

You claim that you don't care about SC but you did care to post a rumour that she died to the rest of us who DO care.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I was simply passing along what I had heard. Given that the *USUAL* cause for sudden disappearance *IS* death or severe injury of some kind, it wasn't an unreasonable conclusion. Obviously, Zapmeister found this of sufficient personal importance, for whatever reason, to probe the matter at length, and has discovered that Saber Cherry is still alive, which is certainly good news. I don't see why you insist on belaboring the point. Don't shoot the messenger. Sheesh.

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Wow... I mean... wow.

For the Norfleet hating, I would've said such a thing as a joke. Since nobody would believe me (usually the case) or care (usually not the case, like in this one), life goes on and nobody's feeling gets hurt. Frankly, I think you guys need to keep your sense of humor and see that Norfleet is obviously playing a joke with this name, and his mean side, while some other forum-dweller is probably his real personality.

For Saber Cherry's game, OH MY GOD! IT LOOKS AWESOME! Screw Dawn of War, I'm going to buy Cherry's game and play it 'til I drop, then I'll start a cult, worshipping Saber Cherry and the game with human sacrifices and violent submachine gun rampages! (If you believe that, I don't know what to say)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, there isn't another Norfleet on this forum. Somebody on this forum, however, whose name eludes me at the moment, has obviously taken advantage of this, and my failing memory, to plant this rumor on me as a practical joke, knowing that I wouldn't be obsessive enough to stalk Saber Cherry and actually find out, and undoubtedly planned on my failing memory not to remember his name. It was some obscure name that was hard to remember anyway.

Was that you? I can never remember your name. I think his name might have started with an H, but I'm not sure. Did you pull this stunt on me? I assure you if you did, and you lied to me about this, as is apparently the case, I'll be sure to *VERIFY* your death when I hear about it before reporting it! It better not have been you.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">To be honest....I'm not sure what this game is. Those bugs look good enough to eat, though.

[ July 11, 2004, 10:52: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

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Actualy, on a more serious note, Saber Cherry's game could be fun. I mean, Dominions is fun and it has crappy graphics.

Dominions + Battle Realms graphics = God

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, but crappy graphics means "Will run on my computer". The new super photorealistic 3D graphics sure looks nice, but doesn't necessarily add anything to the game beyond inflated development budgets, and inflated system requirements.

What *IS* Saber Cherry's game? I'm not sure what it even is, aside from a guy who is, apparently, firing some sort of shotgun off at what doesn't appear to be anything in particular in a worldspace populated by what appears to be either giant bugs, or miniature people with miniature shotguns. What does this game involve? How do you play it? And what is that THING? Is it shiny?

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This is all purely a fabrication of my own overly creative imagination..
But it looks like it could be called "Nannite Warriors:the future of pest control"

Hmmm if thats NOT the concept then it certainly could be. I can see where it would allow for using all the standard "I want to be able to use this" stuff in the game, still be unique, but not so unique that the player has trouble grasping it.

I like the idea. HEY SHRAPNEL! LOOKY LOOKY!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now I'm *sure* that Demosthenes was correct in thinking that you're insane. Only certifiable nut-cases, or spec-ops guys (not that there's a difference), eat bugs. Ick. Yuck. Bleh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

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Can we say...

Escargot?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it. And remember: It's not a bug, it's a feature! Where've you been, anyway? What happened to your AAR?

[ July 11, 2004, 16:43: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No, the usual cause of sudden dissappearance from an internet based forum is either a loss of the person's internet connection, or the choice of the person in question to no longer post to a particular place.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thats not a bug. But if you are going to build a list of "shocking foods" then you would want to include prairie oysters, kim chee, blood pudding, haggis, tripe, birds nest soup, thousand year eggs, catfish, sushi, caviar, rancid yak milk, monkey brains, fruitcake, poi, chewing gum, baalut, vegemite, okra, steak tartare

Of course what is strange to one group isnt to another or you couldnt refer to it as a strange food. I didnt mention the worst, only the ones that are casually accepted somewhere and a shock to tourists. This probably isnt the best board for a long conversation on this subject but yes I have tasted most of these. Especially if its a meat.

And I would NOT advise looking up any I mentioned that you dont recognize. Google it if you are interested, I dont think I will define them here.

[ July 11, 2004, 16:59: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]

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Catfish, sushi, and steak are considered shocking foods?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It wasn't steak but steak tartare, in this one you don't cook the flesh, and it taste really good.

Skolem

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There are countries that are shocked at the idea of raw fish or raw steak (steak tartare). And some where the idea of eating scavengers is considered offensive. Lobster, crab, crayfish, catfish. They consider it less offensive to eat parasites like leeches and ticks than to eat anything that lives on decaying flesh like a vulture does. Some consider eating "garbage eaters" to be offensive like pigs and rats. Others consider domesticated animals off limits like cows, horses, dogs, cats. Seems like everyplace has some that are acceptable and some shock them.

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oh, steak tartare.

I thought sushi was just a type of rice and sashimi is the raw fish. At least, that's what all the Japanese've been telling me... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't think I've ever had the opportunity to eat a dog or a cat before. I'm pretty sure that dogs don't taste too different from coyote, and cats probably taste a lot like lion, only not as tough. Horses are good, very tangy.

Me, I draw a line for what I eat at whether or not it is tasty. If it doesn't taste good, I prefer not to eat it. Also, if it takes too much work to eat, I prefer not to eat it. Lobster, for instance, is inordinately bothersome to eat for the amount of meat you can extract from it.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Now I'm *sure* that Demosthenes was correct in thinking that you're insane. Only certifiable nut-cases, or spec-ops guys (not that there's a difference), eat bugs. Ick. Yuck. Bleh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">LOL. What else is new? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif I thought all forum's regualars are well aware for a long time already of Norfleet being a certifiable nutcase. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wish I could say I've eaten dogs before, like all other Chinese, but I haven't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . I never found Lobster bothersome, but shrimp definitely are. No food is a good enough reward for going through all that shell, especially with my stiff newbie fingers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">There are countries that are shocked at the idea of raw fish or raw steak (steak tartare). And some where the idea of eating scavengers is considered offensive. Lobster, crab, crayfish, catfish. They consider it less offensive to eat parasites like leeches and ticks than to eat anything that lives on decaying flesh like a vulture does. Some consider eating "garbage eaters" to be offensive like pigs and rats. Others consider domesticated animals off limits like cows, horses, dogs, cats. Seems like everyplace has some that are acceptable and some shock them. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm shocked. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Very different actually. Dog and Cat are domestic animals and coyote/lion are wild. If you have had the wild and domestic Versions of any meat there is always a big difference. Wild/domestic Duck? Chicken vs pheasant? wild/domestic turkey? Wild or domestic hog? Even comparing beef to deer. Its not that its ever bad vs good. Its usually both good, but very different good between the domestic and the wild Versions.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I'm aware of this, having had a lot of these, but it's different in a SIMILAR way. It's not something which English has words to explain.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I wish I could say I've eaten dogs before, like all other Chinese, but I haven't http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif . I never found Lobster bothersome, but shrimp definitely are. No food is a good enough reward for going through all that shell, especially with my stiff newbie fingers http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yeah shrimps and lobster are very hard to eat and i have no expierience at it .
but this doesn't prevent me of eating them when i am at holiday . there i try to eat as much as possible shrimps / lobsters cause i know they are expensive but i already paid for them with my hotel bill .
not that i like them much but this way i think i got something back from my money .
kinda wierd behaviour of myself but it tastes better when you know it's expensive and you get it kinda for free http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">A perusal of the Web via Google reveals that "sashimi" is, indeed, raw fish, while "sushi" is the combination of sashimi and rice into one of several different styles. Think of sushi as the menu item you order, and sashimi as the key ingredient of that item.

Anyone interested in further study can try this link, or this one.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ain't nothing better than something free. Me, I feel that there's no meat quite like freshly killed, especially if you killed it yourself.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You cannot compare beef to venison as an example comparison of domestic vs. wild as the two meats taste quite different. Just as beef and pork taste different, yet both are (usually) domesticated. A more appropriate comparison would be to compare the beef from cattle to that from buffalo. As it would to compare venison to elk or moose meat.

By analogy, you'd compare oranges to other citrus fruits (such as grapefruit), not to apples or pears.

Just being nit-picky.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Meat is better after it's been hung up for a while and allowed to age (bleed) a day or so. It's by far more tender than cooking it freshly-dead. I prefer my (rare) steak to be tender and juicy, not tough and jerky-like.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, but you see, if it's FRESHLY dead, it's still WARM. Then you don't HAVE to cook it at all!

What's more, it still can twitch if you shock it. That's when it's best: If you let it hang for a bit, it no longer twitches. It's gone totally dead.

As an added bonus, it's still bloody, which is just how I like it.

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I think the odds of getting an answer to those questions are pretty bad after this bizarre thread.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You cannot compare beef to venison as an example comparison of domestic vs. wild as the two meats taste quite different. Just as beef and pork taste different, yet both are (usually) domesticated. A more appropriate comparison would be to compare the beef from cattle to that from buffalo. As it would to compare venison to elk or moose meat. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I knew that (believe me Im VERY aware of the diferences). but for many people its the closest they will get to knowing the diffrence between domestic meat and the leaner flavorful wild meats.