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Blitz July 18th, 2004 02:35 AM

OT - your fav games
 
A discussion in another thread makes me wonder how many of the same favorite games this community shares. Dom2 is definately a niche product, and I imagine even in other genres there will be a lot of crossover. So to satisfy my interest, let's have your top games, seperated by genre. I'll start.

RTS - Warcraft 3 - I'm not a fan, but this is the one game that I did invest in. Despite the younger demographic, I had fun Online.

TBS - Jagged Alliance 2 - This game was a masterpiece. I may go to Russia with a FN-FAL of my own looking for revenge if they "moo" the sequal.

FPS - Deus Ex - Again, not a genre I play much of, but I actually finished this one... which says a lot. Really a hybrid RPG, the linear play puts it in this Category for me.

RPG - Baldur's Gate 2 - Maybe the best game ever?

4X - Civilization - Don't ask me to pick one of the Versions. I played them all to death. Honorable mention to MOO.

MMO - Everquest - I spent much of 2000-2002 addicted to this game. Will probably spend my next 2 years playing World of Warcraft.

[ July 18, 2004, 07:04: Message edited by: Zen ]

Norfleet July 18th, 2004 03:04 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS - Total Annihilation. Anything else is the choice of the ignorant, or a complete and utter Philistine.

TBS - I'd try to think of one, but the only one which comes to mind at the moment is Dom 2. But that can't be right. Ask me again next year.

FPS - DOOM. Anything else is just a cheap imitation.

4X - Civ 2. They took everything that was good about Civ 1, and gave us more. Civ 3 is a step backwards in the eyes of many.

RPG - Bloody hell, I can never remember the names of these things. There's so many, and their names are all so formulaic. BG2 is definitely among the top of the list, though.

MMO - I'm sorry, these are all crap watered down for mass consumption. Nothing beats the oldschool MUD-types.

PvK July 18th, 2004 03:13 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTT (Real-Time Tactical) - Myth: The Fallen Lords, Myth II: Soulblighter.

TBT (Turn-Based Tactical) - Tigers on the Prowl series (HPS Simulations), Combat Mission series (Battlefront).

RTS - I can't think of any that I really like, that are really RTS, because I dislike having to do strategic thinking OR micromanage my combat.

TBS - King of Dragon Pass. Total War series.

FSM (First-Person Melee) - Rune, at about 80% speed with no Rune powers.

FPS - I still haven't tried Deus Ex, but will some time. Various mods that tend to make weapons more lethal, and don't include Bunny-hopping.

RPG - Dungeon Crawl. Dungeon Master. Wizard's Crown (late 1980's, was derivative of GURPS combat system). GURPS (not computer). TFT (not computer). Haven't tried Baldur's Gate, but will some time. I don't like D&D mechanics (Hugo's "levels" of experience make your axe hit a mere flesh wound...).

4X - Space Empires IV Gold, preferably modded. I didn't like Civilization much (too fake).

MMO - Fortunately I've not been happy with any of the game systems, so I've avoided getting hooked on any of them. If the GURPS one ever gets done, and uses real GURPS mechanics, then that might change.

PvK

Graeme Dice July 18th, 2004 03:16 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Norfleet:
RTS - Total Annihilation. Anything else is the choice of the ignorant, or a complete and utter Philistine.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Or the person who can't find a copy for less than $100 on Ebay.

Blitz July 18th, 2004 03:17 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Wizard's Crown (late 1980's, was derivative of GURPS combat system)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you are talking about the C64 game, I have it on my machine right now. That game was so ahead of it's time that it's not even funny.

Cainehill July 18th, 2004 03:58 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Graeme Dice:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Originally posted by Norfleet:
RTS - Total Annihilation. Anything else is the choice of the ignorant, or a complete and utter Philistine.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Or the person who can't find a copy for less than $100 on Ebay. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">$100 on ebay? Hey, I have a copy of TA that I never broke the shrink wrap on.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Kel July 18th, 2004 04:06 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Blitz:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"> Wizard's Crown (late 1980's, was derivative of GURPS combat system)
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you are talking about the C64 game, I have it on my machine right now. That game was so ahead of it's time that it's not even funny. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">That was a great game. Not my favorite of all time but for its time, it was pretty strong. Even had a sequel, Eternal Dagger, iirc.

- Kel

Arryn July 18th, 2004 04:22 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RPG recent: KotOR

RPG classic: Morrowind, Planescape Torment, Freedom Force

TBS recent: Dom 2

TBS classic: JA2, XCOM:TFTD, Fallout, MOO2, Civ3, SMAC (in that order)

Wargame: HTTR, HoI, Steel Panthers

FPS recent: CoD

FPS classic: Deus Ex

RTS recent: Age of Mythology

RTS classic: Starcraft, Myth 2

MMO: (they all suck, but SWG sucks least; have not tried City of Heroes)

Other: Diablo 2 LOD

Honorable mentions go to: Return to Krondor, Arcanum, Wizards & Warriors, Tropico ... and of course ... Panzer General and Doom 2.

Blitz July 18th, 2004 04:27 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

That was a great game. Not my favorite of all time but for its time, it was pretty strong. Even had a sequel, Eternal Dagger, iirc.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Both are abandonware. The emulator and 2 games are less than 100k (lol). Want me to attatch?

Cainehill July 18th, 2004 04:53 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Blitz:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana"> That was a great game. Not my favorite of all time but for its time, it was pretty strong. Even had a sequel, Eternal Dagger, iirc.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Both are abandonware. The emulator and 2 games are less than 100k (lol). Want me to attatch? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Eternal Dagger was awesome. And there's a C64 emulator that'll run it? Cool.

CUnknown July 18th, 2004 05:00 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS: Kohan, got to be one of the best games ever

I agree with these other games listed, but had to mention Kohan.

lol76 July 18th, 2004 05:36 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS: Warcraft 3:Frozen Throne, Honorable mention to Age of Empires gold and 2 gold
TBS: Age of Wonders, Honorable mention to Alpha Centauri:Alien Crossfire
RPG Anything by Black Isles A.K.A. Baldurs gate 1 and 2, neverwinter nights, etc etc (note I beat all these with expansions! just cant keep my elven rogue with twin scythes down http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )
FPS: Call of Duty, Honorable mention to quake 3 nothing can beat the feeling of hacking your opponents dead body to bits with a chainsaw/gauntlet
MMO: Every gurps game, I still play traveller and spycraft (board), even though the dm's wife Banned us from D&D (damn speermint tradition!!!!)
That was a veryyyy long list, byby now!

[ July 18, 2004, 04:36: Message edited by: lol76 ]

quantum_mechani July 18th, 2004 06:38 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS: Europa Universalis II
4X: Alpha Centauri
RPG: Morrowind, Arcanum

Never really liked FPS or MMO.

Thilock_Dominus July 18th, 2004 07:37 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RPG: Baldurs Gate I + II, Morrowind, Never winters Night.

TBS: Dom2, Alpha Centauri + expansion. - I think Firaxis should make an Alpha Centauri 2 or something, I really enjoy that game.

FPS: Blood - I'm not really into FPS genre but blood got me hooked, iI used hours playin Lan with friends and kicking zombie heads like a soccer ball http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif .

4x : SEIV, MOO I + II

SIM: Ghost Masters - Really awesome to bad there wasn't editors to this game :/

Other(Dunno where to put it): Dominus, Dungeon Keeper I + 2.

Where to put MOM? Is it in the civ catagory or TBS catagory?


best regards
Thilock

djtool July 18th, 2004 08:00 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
well some of these games may not be 'the best' but i have the fondest memories playing them.

Ultimate Wizard C64
Immortal Amiga
Pirates! C64, Amiga, Ibm (this is my all-time favorite game)
Wizardry 5 bane of the cosmic forge
Ultima 5
Tunnels of Doom TRS80
DOM2
City of Heroes
Dune 2 (heh, i bought it after work and didn't sleep until i had to go the next day) IBM DOS
Wings Amiga, loved the dog-fighting

oh yeah and the one that started me down the path to collosal (sp?) amounts of wasted time, asteroids.

how shameful of me...I forgot Fallout.

[ July 18, 2004, 07:02: Message edited by: djtool ]

Inigo Montoya July 18th, 2004 08:05 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
TBS - Stars!

RTS - Kohan

Daynarr July 18th, 2004 08:53 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RPG: AD&D Classics (mostly played on C64): Pool of Radiance, Curse of Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Pools of Darkness
Dragonlance Classics - Champions of Krynn, Death Knights of Krynn, Dark Queen of Krynn.
Neverwinter Nights would be if I had ANY means of buying them where I live. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif
Fallout 1-2 (Arynn, Fallout is RPG, not TBS http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif , Fallout TACTICS is TBS)

TBS: Squad Based: Jagged Alliance 1-2 (with the recent fan mod Urban Chaos), X-com 1-3, Tactics Ogre (SNES emulator needed).
Space Strategy: Moo2 (about +1000000 hours of my life spent playing it), Space Empires IV, SMAC (it falls into Space strategy as it is on alien planet I guess), CIV 1-3 (because SMAC is here http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), Emperor of the Fading Suns.
Fantasy Strategy: MoM, Age of Wonders (only first one as I think they butchered the sequel to make it more public friendly - improved sound and graphics and reduced gameplay), Dom2 (now this one must come as a surprise to everyone http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif ), HOMM 3 (barely makes it here as I find the developers support, marketing and selling policy to be disgusting to say the least).
Wargames: I'm learning to play Steel Panthers at the moment but it looks like it's going to be my favourite.

RTS: Total War series (Shogun TW, Medieval TW), Total Annihilation (I guess Norfleet has some taste after all http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ), Ogre Battle (SNES emulator needed).

FPS: Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2004, Far Cry (Single Player), the rest I wouldn't touch with the stick.

Management games: Transport Tycoon Deluxe.

There are probably lots of games that I didn't mention as I was making this list "on the fly".

[ July 18, 2004, 07:57: Message edited by: Daynarr ]

Endoperez July 18th, 2004 09:40 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RPG: Betrayal at Krondor (free nowadays!), Baldur's Gate 1 (haven't tried 2 yet), Fallout 1 (same as with BGs)

Roguelike: ADOM, lately Crawl too
TBS: DomII, Dom:PPP, Master of Magic (I never really got into it, though)

RTS,FPS, MMO: Never found any I really liked, didn't get in Total Annihilation either... Probably I just don't like the genre

I also have X-com 1, The Ur-Quan Masters (Star Control 2 remake), DragonStrike and King's Quest 1 remake on my machine... Only the two first I _really_ like, others are just good. I would like to like Allegiance (also free), but haven't had time to try yet.

Blitz July 18th, 2004 10:00 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
I forgot this wonderful BBS won't let us attatch files (or host pics, or avatars, or read forwards). Here's the link to Wizard's Crown. I'm sure you can manage an emulator, and Dagger is there as well.

Edited by Zen: Find it at the underdogs. Go google skillz or PM Blitz for a link.

[ July 18, 2004, 18:40: Message edited by: Zen ]

PvK July 18th, 2004 10:12 AM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Yes, that Wizard's Crown. I have it for the Atari ST. The combat seems to have been covertly based on the GURPS combat system, which is even better (for expert players who use maps and all the rules correctly), but not yet computerized (though a MMORPG is in the works).

Eternal Dagger was another in the series, and I sort of thought there might've been a third, but I could be making that up.

The series had tactical combat details and mortal-scale dangerous weapons - things that got me interested in and hooked on Dominions.

PvK

Boron July 18th, 2004 12:07 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
strategy games :
world conquest : mainly paradox games , i love all 3 i own : hoi , eu 2 and victoria
shogun total war + medival total war were fun too but not as good as hoi or eu 2 or victoria
rts : i still think starcraft broodwar is the best rts-game ever made
the sequel warcraft 3 is crap though ihmo .
turn based strategy games : of course dominions 2 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
panzer general was one of my first pc games i liked it at this time and the sequels too .
especially fantasy general and pazific admiral were nice
jagged alliance 2 is a really great game too i played it for a long time
my most liked tactical game at the moment is :
steel panthers WaW v.8.0
i can't believe that such a great game is for free .
the penetration system rocks
rpggames : baldurs gate 1 + 2 were great
neverwinter nights with both addition disks is reall great too
i played diablo 2 + lod excessevely over 1 year .
at the end i owned almost everything exept an old arcaines valor and other such great pre i think 1.08 uniques cause i started playing lod after this patch .
shooters : duke nukem 3d was awesome when i got it
my favourite shooter is counterstrike . i think there still exists no better one .
hopefully they convert it too the half life 2 engine soon cause the only thing that's a bit bad now are the graphics .
return to castle wolfenstein is great too.

Thilock_Dominus July 18th, 2004 12:42 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
To add some good oldies to the list That I've also played: Blood Stone (amiga), Fantasy Empire (PC) Laser Squad (C64 + Amiga + PC) and ofcause Chaos.

And not to mention the Ultima series (I-VIII)

Tuna-Fish July 18th, 2004 12:49 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS, Paradox serie, Victoria, EU2, HoI, not (yet) very deeply in CK, I'll wait until they finish it first http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

TBS -
Jagged Alliance 2
Steel Panthers,
Dom2.

FPS - a mod for orginal Unreal Tournament called Infiltration. Looks crappy, plays like a dream.

Also was interested long in a HL mod called Natural Selection, but it simply became too fast for my reflexes. I was actually the one who got the one of the worlds best NS clans to try the game first time http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif (Fek'Lyrs, nowadays pretty much part of the Torment)

RPG - Nethack, ADOM.

4X - Stars! (hey, I still play that, also a shameless plug for a certain project called freestars on sf.net...)
Civ3, I never get why ppl say it's worse than 2. Also, would Alpha Centauri fall in the same Category?

RPG - Would WC- Privateer fall under this Category?

MMO - Jumpgate. The only MMO out there where the amount of XP farming and other idiotic things ppl do dont matter and the only thing that matters is how well you fly. Some of the ppl I introduced to it were quite shocked when they found out that they dont move around by just clicking targets but they actually gotta fly (and land) the spacecraft themselves http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif . Jumpgate is the incarnation of privateer, only in MMO. I strongly suggest everyone who was ever interested in Priv to try out the 10-day trial. At least in the european server you dont have to give your credit card number to try the trial. The game was launched 3 years ago and has changed contantly during that time, and there's always some active RP that players need to participate in.

[ July 18, 2004, 11:53: Message edited by: Tuna-Fish ]

Karacan July 18th, 2004 03:30 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS: Kohan, and a heartfelt honorable mention to Warlords Battlecry I + II.

TBS: Warlords II+III, Dominions 1+2 and then comes Fantasy General.

RPG: Planescape: Torment, Anachronox (which I love for the wacky and sinister storyline), possibly Morrowind (because of all the time I spent playing it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

FPS: Hexen (NOT Hexen II), Blood

TPS: (third-person-shooter) BloodRayne

SIM: Terminus, King Of Dragonpass (both in no particular order http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

MOO: Rubies Of Eventide (now sadly defunct)

C64: Archon

[ July 18, 2004, 14:31: Message edited by: Karacan ]

Pirateiam July 18th, 2004 04:08 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
RTS: Dune (since it was the first then quickly got tired of others) Kohan (Introduced company based strategy with RTS)

TBS: Empire- university mainframe (since it is what started my addiction), SM Alpha Cenrauri (The philosophy alone is worth it),XCOM, MOM, MOO, I would possibly say DOM 2 but it is still to young.

RPG: Darklands (I love non linear games), Baldurs Gate II

Adventure: Pirates!!!!! Greatest Game of All Time Period!

FPS: never played one more than 5 minutes without getting bored

WAR: Steel Panthers, The Ardennes Offensive, Tigers on the Prowl, Close Combat

SIM: AH-64, Battle of Britain

MOO: Yet to play one

[ July 18, 2004, 15:10: Message edited by: Pirateiam ]

Kel July 18th, 2004 04:25 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Top 10 for me, in some kind of approximate order...

Sacrifice
Diablo2
MoM2
Planescape:Torment
X-com
Angband + variants
Halo
KOTOR
Kings of Dragon Pass
Half Life
Wizardy VII

Honorable mentions that I couldn't fit in there:
SMAC, MOO2, Disciples(and 2), Warlords, Civ games, Rainbow 6 2+3, Freedom Fighters

- Kel

The_Tauren13 July 18th, 2004 04:40 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
2 best games ever:

Counter-Strike (ive played this game constantly for 5 years without tiring of it)

Starcraft (really great game, no longer much fun because of the stupidity of the few people who still play it)

Gandalf Parker July 18th, 2004 04:46 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Lets not link to abandoneware sites.

If you liked Wizards Crown you might like Dungeon Oddyssey which is available here at shrapnelgames.com

Leif_- July 18th, 2004 05:02 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
To twist the topic a little, here's some of the games I have the fondest memories from:

Racing game: Lotus (Amiga)
Sports Game: Speedball 2 (Amiga)
Beer and pretzels: Ports of Call (Amiga)
Arcade: Spy Hunter, Bubble Bobble or Uridium (can't choose - all on the C64)
RPG: Angband (Unix)
Hard to classify: Pirates (Amiga)
Beat em Up: Tekken III (Playstation)
Shoot-em-up: Dogs of War (Amiga) (Not a particularly good game, really, but a lot of fun to play cooperatively with a friend)
Space: Elite (C64)
Arcade-adventure: Ico (Playstation 2)
Strategy: Alpha Centauri (Linux)

PrinzMegaherz July 18th, 2004 08:07 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
My personal top three:

Dom 2
I cant remember the Last time i spent so many hours playing one game

Dungeon Master
The superior role playing game. Even though I did not play it myself, I remember my father sitting in front of the amiga, my mother sitting next to him drawing maps, and me hiding behind the chair :-)

Warhammer Dark Omen:
I like everything about it: the story, the sounds of men fighting and mortar shells exploding, the neat 3d, simply everything.

Others:
FF4/6
Ogre Battle
Total Annihilation (Especially the ask the commander section on their homepage)
Star Control 2
Ufo 1
Internation Karate +
Nearly every Bitmap Brothers game (especially Speedball 2)
And many many more I already have forgotten but had lots of fun with :-)

[ July 18, 2004, 19:09: Message edited by: PrinzMegaherz ]

tinkthank July 18th, 2004 08:37 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
1. What does 4X mean? Never heard of that

2. My favs:

a. Thief II
b. Planescape: Torment
c. Deux Ex 1
d. Baldur's Gate 2
e. Fallout I/II
f. Arcanum


3. What did you people like about Morrowind or NWN?? God I hated those

Cheezeninja July 18th, 2004 08:59 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
hmmm... in no particular order

Dune 2
MoM
Civilization
Total Annihilation
The Starcraft Map Editor (the player made games were better than the original IMO)
Ultima Online (when it first came out it was the shiznit, has since been ruined)
Populous
Diablo

Taqwus July 18th, 2004 09:02 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Traditional map-based 4X:
Dominions II, although the second Master of Orion game deserves a very strong honorable mention.

TBS/RPG:
Jagged Alliance 2, love/hate. Love the detail, hate the assorted lack of realism (short ranges, incredible body armor/damage tolerance, etc) and inventory management pains, plus the need to search every room, and the inane endgame. Hated the "Deidranna Lives" mod.

Other TBS:
King of Dragon Pass; love/hate. Love the detail, hate the perverse randomness where you can be very badly hurt through unavoidable bad luck in an HQ or very early bad harvests.

RTS:
Ancient Art of War, the original one. Loved utterly. Would be great to see a modern Version with configurable squad limits, modability, multiplayer, ability to run on modern-speed CPUs without requiring a circulatory system filled with caffeine and meth.
Netrek, for multiplayer.

RPG:
Fallout/Fallout 2; loved the rich stories and nOnlinearity, hated the NPC 'ally' tactical stupidities and the poor FO2 endgame.

Wasteland; very fun, although combat was very basic and the endgame was cliched and annoying.

BBS DOOR:
Hack and Slash, Usurper: very fun, brutal and competitive RPG games.
BRE/SRE: empire resource management games, essentially multiplayer updates of Hammurabi/King. Very fun.

Endoperez July 18th, 2004 09:07 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by tinkthank:
1. What does 4X mean? Never heard of that


<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">"eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, eXterminate"

From Home of the Underdogs:

Divided into two factions: those 4x games happening in space and those played on earth, Master of Orion and Sid Meier's Civilization given as examples.
"Fog of war, research, and city/colony management are integral elements of this subgenre [of strategy]."

Arryn July 18th, 2004 09:24 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by tinkthank:
1. What does 4X mean? Never heard of that
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">eXplore
eXpand
eXploit
eXterminate
Quote:

3. What did you people like about Morrowind or NWN?? God I hated those
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">What's wrong with either one? Especially such a great game as Morrowind, arguably one the finest fantasy RPGs ever made.

Morrowind has (not in any special order of importance):

* great graphics
* well-developed, and huge, world
* great backstory
* tons of quests
* the most flexible and detailed character creation system I've seen in a fantasy RPG
* awesome modding ability
* a developer that supports their game

There's not much more that you can ask of a game. What flaws I've seen have typically been modded away, if not fixed by the devs themselves.

Norfleet July 18th, 2004 09:32 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Arryn:
Morrowind has (not in any special order of importance):

* great graphics

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'd have to say that the graphics are so-so at best, and crawl like dog doody on all but the most powerful machines - something which totally does not mesh with the actual level of graphical quality.

Quote:

* well-developed, and huge, world
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">In the sense that somebody obviously lavishly and laboriously placed each and every one of those plates that you are obligated to clean out, yes.

Quote:

* great backstory
* tons of quests
* the most flexible and detailed character creation system I've seen in a fantasy RPG
* awesome modding ability

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">No argument here.

Quote:

* a developer that supports their game
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">This can be considered to be both a good and a bad thing in some cases, although for Morrowind, it seems to be good.

Quote:

There's not much more that you can ask of a game. What flaws I've seen have typically been modded away, if not fixed by the devs themselves.
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nonetheless, I still remain distinctly uneasy about hearing that the Morrowind folks have acquired the rights to Fallout 3. There are certain humorous and amusing artifacts and behaviors I don't want to see.

[ July 18, 2004, 20:32: Message edited by: Norfleet ]

Ygorl July 18th, 2004 09:42 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
Legends of the Lost Realm. Took me 10 or 12 years to be that thing, finally did a couple years ago. What a great game.
Also, for those of you who like(d) Marathon, resurrection.bungie.org is nearly done with an excellent total conVersion of Unreal Tournament that recreates the classic using the somewhat more modern engine. Spectacular.

Arryn July 18th, 2004 09:42 PM

Re: OT - your fav games
 
I also forgot to give honorable mentions to:

* Vampire:Redemption (FRPG; biggest flaw was linear plot, same problem Return to Krondor had; first decently-done conVersion of a pen&paper FRPG into a CRPG, and with GM capabilities)

* Anachronox (SFRPG; buggy as hell, annoying minigames, but the game was funny as hell to play through and had highly memorable and unique characters)

* Sword of Aragon (ancient DOS game that was a forerunner to today's games like Dom 2, distiction of being the first of the genre and well done for its day)

* Populous (RTS god vs. god game, not unlike Dom in various ways)

Boron July 18th, 2004 09:48 PM

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oh i actually forgot gothic 2 in rpg section .
i have to agree with norfleet i bought morrowind in the game of the year edition but i shortly before got gothic 2 .
the graphics in gothic 2 are much better than morrowind . in gothic you really get the feeling that you live in this world.
unfortunately the story is a bit boring and once you finished it the 2 other characterclasses aren't enough motivation to play it again .

in strategy games i forgot master of orion 2 . it was really great .
only the ai sucked . i played on impossible then but that was a bit boring :
i had 10 doomstars which had to fight 250 battleships / titans but they still won .
but the combat Lasted extremely long .

Arryn July 18th, 2004 10:21 PM

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Morrowind is *older* than Gothic 2 (and perhaps Gothic). It's graphics were cutting-edge when the game came out, and are not shabby even by today's standards, almost 3 years later. Stop to consider that Diablo 2 had woefully-obsolete graphics when *it* was released, and huge numbers of players still play the game today. Ditto JA2.

Gandalf Parker July 18th, 2004 11:08 PM

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Morrowind I didnt like nearly as well as Daggerfall. I was very dissapointed and I still hope they do a Daggerfall 2.

NWN wasnt bad but it was a game engine with very little game attached. If you still have it you might want to check it out again now that there are ALOT of really good player done modules. Many of which stay up all the time on the creators machine running as a multiplayer game.

Arryn July 18th, 2004 11:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Gandalf Parker:
Morrowind I didnt like nearly as well as Daggerfall. I was very dissapointed
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Why? People keep saying they disliked the game, but they decline to say *what* it is about the game they didn't like (besides the graphics load on a computer, which is a non-issue with today's Boards).

Mardagg July 19th, 2004 12:00 AM

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Real time strategy:

"Total Annihilation"
although not a big a fan of this genre,this game is one of my all time Favorites,still playing it Online with some friends from time to time.

("Warlords Battlecry 2")
for SP,this game was great fun,because of the Hero system and the huge mass of playable races.Only RTS ever I played a lot in SP,MP wasnt that funny though,too unbalanced IMO.

Other strategy games:

All time Favorites(Dominions 2 may get there):

"Warlords 1,Warlords 2 deluxe"
played warlords 1 on Amiga,great fun and one of my first fantasy strategy games.
Warlords 2 deluxe,I do renember those great Hot Seat sessions with 2 friends of mine long time ago,everytime resulting in a 2 vs 1 game,naturally.Diplomacy was very important therefore(I give you my cake,if you ally with me...) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

"Master of magic"
my all time favorite for SP.
Not much to say,time wise this could be the game I played the most in my life.I still have a working Version on my PC ...I only stopped playing it from time to time because of Dominions now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

"Battle Isle 1 and 2"
I very much liked the game idea for Multiplayer,especially in 1(Splitscreen).

"Celtic Legends"
this is the(very old) game,where the developers of HoMM took the game idea from.


further games to mention:
MOO2,Fantasy General,Fantasy Empires,Warlords 3/Battle Isle 3(not as addictive as the first parts of the series IMO),Panzer General,AOW/AOW2/AOW:SM,HoMM 2/HoMM 3,Vikings:Fields of Conquest

RPG:

"Amberstar"
"Wizardry 6:Bane of the Cosmic Forge"

Only RPG`s ever,I did play through.
I didnt use any hints/solutions,if I renember correctly.
Whereas Amberstar was quite easy to finish,Wizardry was really,really difficult,with lots of restarts involved http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Both belong to my all time Favorites.

also to mention:
-Might&Magic 2(my first RPG game,C64)
-Dragon Wars
-Legend of Faerghail
-Dark Queen of Krynn
-Wizardry 7:Crusaders of Dark Savant
(still have a working Version installed together with my savegames...maybe I will finish it sometimes).

[ July 19, 2004, 00:11: Message edited by: Mardagg ]

djtool July 19th, 2004 04:36 AM

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I tried morrowwind myself...it didn't hold my interest.

another one I forgot to mention was alone in the dark. That's one of the only games (probably can count them on one hand) that i've finished multiple times. Like 13 or 14.

Arryn July 19th, 2004 05:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by djtool:
[QB]I tried Morrowind myself...it didn't hold my interest./QB]
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And again, I ask: why?

There are plenty of games I dislike, and games I like that have things I dislike about them. But if someone says they dislike or didn't care for something, without saying why, there's no basis for someone else to compare or judge.

LintMan July 19th, 2004 05:59 AM

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RTS: Total Annihilation, no other RTS else comes close.

TBS: Conquered Kingdoms (by dearly departed QQP)-old school, lousy EGA graphics and ridiculous music, but great AI and a wonderfully balanced set of units.

FPS (single player): I'll pick 3: 1) Half Life - great story, groundbreaking technology for its time. Most FPS's today still don't match its single-player quality.
2) Medal of Honor: Allied Assault - much of the game was standard fare, but the Normandy beach level in particular is awesome.

FPS (Online): Half Life Team Fortress - Awesome team-based play with specialized classes. I was in a very strong clan competing in several leagues and this game sucked countless hours of my time.

RPG: I've been a fantasy RPG player back from the Temple of Apshai days on my C-64, but I'll say Knights of the Old Republic is the best RPG I've ever played.

4X: MOO2. Shrapnel's SEIV comes closes but is missing...something. MOO3 was a piece of garbage that I returned as soon as I discovered that the game was unable to save your turn information mid-turn.

Arcade strategy: Archon, Archon 2: Adept - yeah, I loved them both!

Action Adventure: Star Control 2 - probably my vote for greatest game of all time. Funny, fantastic story, great music, fun action combat.

Smauler July 19th, 2004 08:46 AM

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Ok, I'll probably go for games that I have spent most time on, and have come back to again and again.

4X:
Civilization I (Amiga) - I got so bad GCSEs because of this game.
Civilization III (PC) - Didn't like II, not sure why, just thought it was a little repetative. III I like, but only really play it with mods (esp. DyP).
Master of Orion I (PC) - Absolute classic. I think I got more angry at this game than any other. "What?!? A 100 ship fleet on my doorstep in turn 5". I guess the AI wasn't up to much, it got _huge_ bonuses.

RTS:
Dune (PC) - Not much of a RTS fan, but liked this.

RPG:
Angband, Zangband, TOME (PC) - I always come back to these, predominantely Zangband. There is just so much variety.
Betrayal at Krondor (PC) - I remember playing this with a friend, we never finished it, but it was classic fun.
Baldur's Gate II (PC) - Still going through this, it's massive and enjoyable all the way.

Driving:
Gran Turismo series (PS1 and PS2) - Can't be beat.
V-Rally I (PS1) - Sheer driving 1v1 fun. I used to play this all the time at university.
Demolition Derby I (PS1) - An oldie, simple, but a goodie.
Supercars I & II (Amiga) - Great little arcade racers. Homing missiles were ace.

FPS:
DOOM I and II (PC) - These introduced me to multiplayer gaming. We had a 4 computers network at home, and we had day long parties which were intended to be DOOM during the day, other stuff in the evening. DOOM took over all.
Counterstrike (PC) - I actually got pretty good at this, and it was amazingly great Online. Hacks killed it a bit in some cases, but mostly it was great fun.
Quake III (PC): Great fun Online, railgun fanatics of the world unite.

Sports:
Sensible Soccer (Amiga & PC) - I just loved this game, but the computer wasn't much of a challenge, and none of my mates would play me because I just whipped them. It was silly fun though.
Tracksuit Manager (C64) - No idea why I got hooked on this, but I did. It was crap, but I did win the world cup once.
Speedball II (Amiga) - So much fun. I spent about 6 hours playing this a couple of nights ago, with an emulator.
Decathlon (C64) - Nothing like a frenzy of joystick waggling to get the adrenaline up. I think I got over 11000 points once.
Tony Hawkes Pro Skating II & III(PS1 & PS2) - I am generally a pretty good gamer, but these I am _so_ bad at. I enjoy them lots though.
SSX (PS2) - Fun game, I wasn't too bad at it either, unlike the previous.

Space:
X2 - The Threat (PC) - The game I'm currently playing most at the moment, especially now the 1.4 patch is out. Immense scope, great game. Storyline sucks though, but that's not the point to the game.
Frontier (Amiga) - Liked, but didn't love this game. Too many glitches, it was pretty huge and limitless though, and kept me playing for hours and hours.

Other:
Pirates! (Amiga) - I never did find my sister, but did just about everything else. I basically owned that Carribean by the end.
Railroad Tycoon I (Amiga) - I played this game so much. II and III didn't capture my imagination as much, but I still played them both pretty much (III still). III's landscaping is so annoying though.
Grand Theft Auto Series (Amiga & PC) - The original 2 were a bLast, I loved unnecessary killing even back then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif . III made it prettier, and kept all the fun elements.
Worms (PS1) - So much time went on this game. If Civ I killed my GCSEs, this game killed my degree. So many times I was doing work, and a friend came round and asked "Fancy a game of Worms?". By the end, we had played literally thousands of games, each best of 3 rounds. The scoreboard was all screwed up, because we'd played it so much.

I've been playing with Morrowind a bit recently too, but can't seem to find any love for it. Managing stats is a bit of a pain, and there are huge numbers of exploits (Alchemy = Immediate level 10 rich character). Anyway, that's about me done, I think. I'm sure I'll think of some more later http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif .

Blitz July 19th, 2004 09:00 AM

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Quote:

Civilization III (PC) - Didn't like II, not sure why, just thought it was a little repetative. III I like, but only really play it with mods (esp. DyP).
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I never got why people hated Civ 3. So many excellent advances. Workers instead of settlers, the whole culture thing was done well. UU's were pretty nice. I can't really see where the game lacks when compared to Civ2. Some complained about the corruption system, but once you knew what you were doing that wasn't hard to manage.

Esben Mose Hansen July 19th, 2004 09:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Blitz:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Civilization III (PC) - Didn't like II, not sure why, just thought it was a little repetative. III I like, but only really play it with mods (esp. DyP).
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I never got why people hated Civ 3. So many excellent advances. Workers instead of settlers, the whole culture thing was done well. UU's were pretty nice. I can't really see where the game lacks when compared to Civ2. Some complained about the corruption system, but once you knew what you were doing that wasn't hard to manage. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I like Civ III, but I think Alpha Centauri was better in many ways. Civ III has a good AI, and that helps a lot. But Alpha Centauri had atmosphere; it had terraforming, 3D landscape, nukes that made a difference, custom units, sea cities and potentially huge cities. Also, it had the best quotes http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

So all in all, I think perhaps Alpha Centauri may have been the best non-free game I have ever played.

Another fond memory is Worms I + II (after which they lost it.) and scorched earth. Wizardry 8, Might and Magic 6+7, and recently, UT2004. The Longest Journey, Siberia, Broken Sword 3 and other adventure games.

Arryn July 19th, 2004 10:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Esben Mose Hansen:
Another fond memory is ... Siberia ...
<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I've been considering Syberia. What can you tell me about it?


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